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eXXon posted:I wonder if you take a map of Great European Countries, excluding the vast or temporary empires like Roman/Napelonic French/Nazi German, how much land would be left in 'core' territories vs overlap? None; Greater Eesti gets every last rock.
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Peanut President posted:Last time this got posted I made a map to see how it would look: What did you use to make this map? I could waste so much time doing stuff like this.
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Unfortunately it wasn't anything simple. I grabbed maps of France, Italy, and Germany showing their states/provinces/whatever and overlaid them on a map of europe. Painted the swiss claimed parts red, then deleted the rest.
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eXXon posted:I wonder if you take a map of Great European Countries, excluding the vast or temporary empires like Roman/Napelonic French/Nazi German, how much land would be left in 'core' territories vs overlap?
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I can generally figure out why most insane "Greater X" nationalist movements make the claims they do. I can't figure out Greater Switzerland for the life of me though. Is it just "Here be Mountains?"
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Emanuel Collective posted:I can generally figure out why most insane "Greater X" nationalist movements make the claims they do. I can't figure out Greater Switzerland for the life of me though. Is it just "Here be Mountains?" I think they sent out ballots to places saying "hey do you wanna be Swiss-friends?" and these places responded. At least I think I read that somewhere on wikipedia.
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Emanuel Collective posted:I can generally figure out why most insane "Greater X" nationalist movements make the claims they do. I can't figure out Greater Switzerland for the life of me though. Is it just "Here be Mountains?"
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the jizz taxi posted:Meanwhile, have this Medieval fever dream. Not gonna delve into the map's oddities, but it's interesting to see how, over time, 'Flanders' has come to denote an area different from what it used to. Practically speaking, it was most of the land from the North Sea to the Scheldt river, but apparently in the 19th century, when Belgium was formed and the westernmost parts of Flanders had long been lost to France, they decided to name the entire Dutch-speaking area of Belgium Flanders. I'm guessing they didn't call it Brabant or Limburg because the Netherlands also had provinces with that name. At any rate, that's the reason why within the State of Flanders, the provinces of West- and East-Flanders are the two westernmost provinces. No one ever 'decided' it, and technically speaking it has only been an official administrative designation since 1980 (and even then only in the derivative form of the Flemish Region). By 1830 Flanders had been used as a pars pro toto for the Dutch-speaking Southern Netherlands for centuries, though mostly by foreigners. For example, you had the Spanish tercios de Flandes in the sixteenth century, and around the same time Thomas More (the author of Utopia) referred to his visit to Antwerp as a trip to 'Flanders'. If you want to get really nitpicky, even Flanders in the strict sense is a pars pro toto, since it originally only referred to the area around Bruges. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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I didn't know that that nomenclature had been around for that long. Do you happen to know why they didn't use Brabant instead when Antwerp and other Brabantic cities rose to prominence in the late Middle Ages / early Renaissance?
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I would guess that it's mostly a matter of precedence. Up until the 15th century, the County of Flanders was much more important than Brabant. It was one of the most densely populated and urbanized regions north of the Alps, and its textile industry in particular was crucial to the functioning of the European economy. Ghent was one of the biggest cities in Europe during the 13th century. As you've said, Brabant only really became ascendant during the Renaissance, and by that time Flanders had already come to apply to the wider region of the Dutch-speaking Southern Netherlands - sometimes even to the Low Countries as a whole. The term wasn't as strictly defined as it is today, of course. It is indeed an interesting paradox, since it is actually Brabant that has basically been dominant in the Southern Netherlands for the past five or six centuries, up until today. To the point that quite a few of the dialects in East Flanders can be classified as Brabantian. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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Emanuel Collective posted:I can generally figure out why most insane "Greater X" nationalist movements make the claims they do. I can't figure out Greater Switzerland for the life of me though. Is it just "Here be Mountains?" I read that it was a joke from some Swiss political party in response to Gaddafi saying that Switzerland should be split up.
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Lord Tywin posted:I read that it was a joke from some Swiss political party in response to Gaddafi saying that Switzerland should be split up. 
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Does America have the most diplomats and embassies of anyone ever? American diplomatic missions, including embassies (red), consulates, consular offices and embassy annexes (blue) and other representative offices (yellow) Yellow dots in Washington, NYC, Switzerland, Taiwan: State Dept, UN delegation, something worldy in Geneva, and US affairs office in Taipei? Vivian Darkbloom fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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I think the one in Taiwan is the American Institute in Taiwan, a non-profit, private, totally-not-an-embassy that happens to be staffed entirely by retired state department people. Green has official diplomatic relations, blue has diplomatic relations but pretends not to in order to have trade and relations with the PRC e: or is the PRC itself.
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Voting systems by country Head of State http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Electoral_systems_for_heads_of_state_map.svg  Lower House http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Electoral_systems_map.svg  It's unfortunate that these maps don't have the legends on the images themselves, but they are available in the links provided.
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Not to derail this too much, but is there an electoral system where proportionality is maintained by taking the highest vote winner (FPTP) plus a certain number of second or third place finishers within individual voting districts rather than from a list? From some quick googling, the closest thing I could find is Baden-Wurttemberg's system. It seems to have some clear advantages - no party lists required, single vote, regional representation retained - with the disadvantage that it seems like it would be difficult to come up with an algorithm to select extra winners maintaining both proportionality and regional balance.
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Huh. Did the D&D picture thread get closed?
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Frostwerks posted:Huh. Did the D&D picture thread get closed?
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What's with the Baha'i in South Carolina?
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Hahaha basically all the groups conservatives hate are dominant (in a relative sense of the word) in the South.
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 This is a cool map.
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Frostwerks posted:
I love land usage maps and wish I could find a reliable place to find them.
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Not politically-loaded, but related to the cool map above.
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I'm quite surprised at how dominantly forested Japan still is to this day, drat.
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Skeleton Jelly posted:I'm quite surprised at how dominantly forested Japan still is to this day, drat. Mountains, not much else you can do with much of that land. I believe it's mostly new growth forest though, Japan was almost entirely deforested but was one of the first countries to begin reforestation and conservation, I think in the 1600s or 1700s?
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point of return posted:What's with the Baha'i in South Carolina? If anything, the fact that the Baha'i are the 2nd largest non-christian religion in South Carolina just goes to show how overwhelmingly christian the state is
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I have a feeling the map omitted non-religious.
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Guavanaut posted:I think the one in Taiwan is the American Institute in Taiwan, a non-profit, private, totally-not-an-embassy that happens to be staffed entirely by retired state department people. They aren't retired anymore (did they used to be?), it's treated as a normal embassy these days.
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Xandu posted:They aren't retired anymore (did they used to be?), it's treated as a normal embassy these days.
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Koramei posted:Where the poo poo did you get that idea? That is totally and completely wrong. If anything for some states I would say regional identity in the US is weaker. It's not just about identity, it's about power. The last major change (i.e. more than a handful of square miles) of a U.S. state, apart from actually becoming a state, was way back in the 1860s when Nevada grew. The last major change to a Canadian province was when Manitoba was enlarged. Or, when Newfoundland and Labrador was renamed to Newfoundland. Phlegmish says changing Spain around would be unthinkable, and this is true ... except for the fact that the entire system was reorganized in 1978. I looked and saw some differences between the old map and the new, so it wasn't just a change in identity. I would say Spain is on the stronger side and it still has some changes. I never said the U.S. was the only federal nation in the world. I'm saying that the federal government cannot manipulate and dissolve states at will. Russia is a federal nation, but its federal government changes things around all the time.
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Grand Fromage posted:Mountains, not much else you can do with much of that land. Tell that to the Mesoamericans.  But yeah, I suspect a lot of it is modern. Based on the swarms of Japanese folks I see in Banff, they clearly love them some nature.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:Does America have the most diplomats and embassies of anyone ever? If Taiwan is allowed to have a yellow dot why aren't the US Interests Sections in Tehran, Pyongyang and Havana? I'm unsure on the situations in Iran and North Korea but in Havana all the staff are US Foreign Service Officials and have continually occupied the actual US Embassy building since 1977. The "Section Chief" actually lives in the former US Ambassadors house. I believe the situation is extremely similar in Iran although not so much in North Korea. The US says they have no formal diplomatic channels with Iran, North Korea and Cuba. That is true, but that certainly doesn't mean they don't have diplomats and officials within those countries and communicate with them on at least an informal level, as they most certainly do in Taiwan. I find it somewhat disingenuous that the map suggests this.
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There isn't any US diplomatic presence in North Korea and Iran because it would be dangerous to send Americans to those places. North Korea wouldn't respect American diplomatic immunity and the Iranians have a history of not respecting American diplomatic immunity.
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Diplomacy involves a lot of legal rituals, for obvious historical reasons, and if the Obama wants to get a message to Castro there are various formal and informal ways to make that happen. I don't know about misleading but yeah, formal diplomatic relations are one of many ways that nations interact. e: Also the blue dots on there have nothing to do with diplomacy really, just a lot of Americans traveling around North America and Western Europe. Yellow might just be a few miscellaneous State offices, but not all of them?
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Taiwan's official & unofficial relations; the criteria for unofficial relations seem kind of fuzzy! This is the 1971 UN vote (Res 2758) admitting the PRC and expelling Taiwan 
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Fojar38 posted:There isn't any US diplomatic presence in North Korea and Iran because it would be dangerous to send Americans to those places. North Korea wouldn't respect American diplomatic immunity and the Iranians have a history of not respecting American diplomatic immunity. True. A little while ago some American war veteran decided to visit North Korea for whatever stupid reason and he got arrested over there. According to the news, the American government actually had to ask Sweden (I think?) to request North Korea to release that man, simply because there are no American diplomats in North Korea. ... I don't know how the story ended. The poor guy is probably still being held and tortured over there.
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His name is Merrill Newman and he was actually released last weekend. They used him as a propaganda prop but I don't know if any physical mistreatment happened.
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Grand Fromage posted:Mountains, not much else you can do with much of that land. I believe it's mostly new growth forest though, Japan was almost entirely deforested but was one of the first countries to begin reforestation and conservation, I think in the 1600s or 1700s? And they still consume wood voraciously which means that they now import all their wood from the Indonesian rain forest. Green!
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Antti posted:His name is Merrill Newman and he was actually released last weekend. They used him as a propaganda prop but I don't know if any physical mistreatment happened. I imagine he was just too old. You can't sentence him to hard labor like the missionary guy from last year, because he'd just die. The other guy got 15 years, and you can tell we're going to have to give up something like a state visit to get him home.
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