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I thought the conversation about the mask was great, but at the same time I have to sarcasti-laugh at it a lot because, like, you're worried about a mask obscuring your aim? But you're not worried about a giant hood obscuring your aim? Superhero comics are great, but when it comes to costume choices that's gonna hinder fighting, a hood rates just slightly below a cape.
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Dec 13, 2013 12:20
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I guess a mask has a possibility of slipping around while running/fighting, and something like a domino mask could end up completely covering one or both eyes. The hood could get in his eyes too, but that can be fixed with a shake of his head.
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Dec 13, 2013 12:48
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Sanschel posted:My friend and I were discussing the closest comic analogue for MEERAKOORUU; he says Venom with slightly less 'roid rage, I say Miraclo with the one-hour limit removed. Thoughts? Thoughts: you guys are dorks.
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Dec 13, 2013 13:29
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ov posted:Thoughts: you guys are dorks. We are all on SA discussing a Green Arrow TV show, a really awesome one, but still. Dork is relative.
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Dec 13, 2013 13:36
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BrianWilly posted:I thought the conversation about the mask was great, but at the same time I have to sarcasti-laugh at it a lot because, like, you're worried about a mask obscuring your aim? But you're not worried about a giant hood obscuring your aim? His worst problem with his own disguise isn't even the hood, it's the eye shadow makeup. They constantly show how it starts running whenever he's basically doing anything that involves movement. IIRC they even had an episode during season 1 where his makeup actually gets in his eyes and causes him to miss a shot or lose a fight or something. So, kinda glad they finally gave him the mask. It's not like it was super important or anything, but it was just one of those things that was needlessly goofy.
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Dec 13, 2013 13:36
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Speaking of MIRAKURU, I was slightly disappointed that Grundy didn't get brain damage and a serious skin condition as a side effecy. Instead, we get Two Face Grundy... yay.
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Dec 13, 2013 13:37
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VDay posted:His worst problem with his own disguise isn't even the hood, it's the eye shadow makeup. They constantly show how it starts running whenever he's basically doing anything that involves movement. IIRC they even had an episode during season 1 where his makeup actually gets in his eyes and causes him to miss a shot or lose a fight or something. So, kinda glad they finally gave him the mask. It's not like it was super important or anything, but it was just one of those things that was needlessly goofy. Did anyone else notice the instant eye black that appeared when he put on the mask?
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Dec 13, 2013 14:45
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Darth Brooks posted:Did anyone else notice the instant eye black that appeared when he put on the mask? Eye black doesn't exist in superhero media. In Batman Forever there's a part where he takes off his mask and his face is clear even though he's obviously wearing it underneath.
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Dec 13, 2013 14:49
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Yeah it's better not to worry about costume physics and disguises. I mean, Lois Lane has been fooled for decades by a pair of wire-rimmed glasses, you just have to accept the mask is shorthand for "he's incognito".
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Dec 13, 2013 15:11
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Aphrodite posted:Eye black doesn't exist in superhero media. That happens in Batman Returns but yeah, I think Kick rear end is the only movie that ever acknowledged that movie masks have makeup around the eyes.
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Dec 13, 2013 16:10
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Pretty mega Roy Harper spoilers within. Oh, who else gets weird and skeptical looks when they evangelize about this show? It's hard to convince people that a comic book show is legit good. zoux fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Dec 13, 2013 |
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Dec 13, 2013 16:51
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In the original Batman Returns and I think the first Batman , when Michael Keaton takes off his mask he has eye black around his eyes. Rewatching the episode, it appears that the Miraclo formulae bathes Grundy in it. Then the place explodes. He's right next to the green stuff and then it gets all on his face. So that's a pretty straight forward way for him to become Solomon Grundy.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:13
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Hollismason posted:In the original Batman Returns and I think the first Batman , when Michael Keaton takes off his mask he has eye black around his eyes. As opposed to what, resurrecting him from a swamp via voodoo magic 
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Dec 13, 2013 17:15
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How many stories where Grundy is featured actually call his origin into attention? At least in newer stories, he has a tendency to simply show up as low end super strong muscle, with everybody simply accepting him as a part of the general DCU rogue gallery, without actually going into the details about his origin. Unless the story actually features DC magic heroes.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:21
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All they have to do is have Brother Blood get his body tossed into the swamp in the Glades to dispose of it. You don't need the magic, have it be Miracle that brings him back just like Slade.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:26
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Aphrodite posted:All they have to do is have Brother Blood get his body tossed into the swamp in the Glades to dispose of it. I'm really not concerned with fidelity to the comics origin.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:27
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zoux posted:I'm really not concerned with fidelity to the comics origin. But you should be concerned with coolness  .
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Dec 13, 2013 17:32
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That's almost literally the origin for Swamp Thing. Him being doused in chemicals then blown up is a perfectly good resurrection method, and here's the thing they don't really delve into but I think we're going to see a connection between Miraclo and the League of Assassins. Cause I think those chemicals are probably found naturally some where else.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:35
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Hollismason posted:That's almost literally the origin for Swamp Thing. Grundy had it first.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:40
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Alas for Swamp Thing, his transformation happened on a Tuesday.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:42
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Hollismason posted:That's almost literally the origin for Swamp Thing. Mirakuru existed before Ollie and Slade's island adventure time, so it would make sense (edit:not make sense, but be within reason) if the LoA knew about it also. Also do we know who Fyers was working for/have a strong theory? Was he on the island looking for it as well?
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Not really spoilers. Basically it says 'they are considering everything and there are concept drawings on the board for everything.' They don't actually say which direction they are going yet. What I'm wondering is: what's in the mirakuru that they are using? It sounded like Brother Blood was sure that if Roy survived he would have control over him somehow, I'll have to go back and see what he actually said to Roy before shooting him up verbatim though. You wouldn't just shoot up people with a drug that gives people super strength if you didn't think you had a way to keep them from turning on you or going rogue. My speculation based on that The possible implications being: Roy could be used as a sleeper agent later. The control is a form of addiction, and Roy is a mirakuru junkie the Arrow has to get clean. Arrow learns about the control aspect and they have to develope a 'cure' that removes mirakuru and can be used to neutralize a mirakuru army.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:45
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Amellsday is no more. The CW are using Arrow's success to launch The 100 starting in March.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:46
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I think Brother Blood was giving the Miraclo to Roy cause he figured it would kill him.Solomon was just buttfucking nuts and all brainwashed by Brother Blood. The Miraclo doesn't give you mind control over someone, otherwise explain Slade? My pure speculation 60 years ago the League of Assassins developed Miraclo from the chemicals in the Lazarus pits, gave it to the Japanese to use in WW2, they lost it and have been searching for it since. This would explain why a poo poo load of it could bring back Grundy.. he was doused in it remember. It'd also explain the "sometimes the pit drives you mad" but instead of driving you mad it kills you. So it'd be the way the League ressurects Shado and uses her as an assassin and ressurects Canary" Hollismason fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Dec 13, 2013 |
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Dec 13, 2013 17:50
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It has to have some level of mind control property in it, otherwise there was no point in dosing random thugs (The Mayor) or doing psych profiles on blood donors (presumably looking for the easily influenced). An army doesn't work very well if it doesn't follow orders. I also had no idea about the Venom-Miraclo link, but I will take it as a victory over my friend 
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Dec 13, 2013 17:57
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Brother Blood explicitly said that Roy would kill for him. It's clear that he at least thinks he can control people who use the drug.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:58
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Hollismason posted:I think Brother Blood was giving the Miraclo to Roy cause he figured it would kill him.Solomon was just buttfucking nuts and all brainwashed by Brother Blood. I'm pretty sure he told Roy that if he survived the injection he would be following him. Can someone not at work post the actual dialogue? And you missed my point, if there is a control aspect its added in with the new miracolo, thus Slade wouldn't be under that control.
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Dec 13, 2013 18:00
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Deadpool posted:Amellsday is no more. The CW are using Arrow's success to launch The 100 starting in March. The 100 looks decent? Lord of the Flies with a mutant 2 headed deer instead of a pig.
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Dec 13, 2013 18:11
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Rarity posted:Brother Blood explicitly said that Roy would kill for him. It's clear that he at least thinks he can control people who use the drug. Also he was dosing people who weren't in his organization (like Sin's dead friend) so he obviously thought there was some kind of control element to it because otherwise he'd just have super strong person who is pissed off at him.
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Dec 13, 2013 18:44
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e X posted:Unless the story actually features DC magic heroes. Now I want to see Zatanna show up in this show.
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Dec 13, 2013 18:49
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When you are injected you get swallowed by rage. Blood probably manipulates them that way.
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Dec 13, 2013 19:07
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Dexo posted:When you are injected you get swallowed by rage. Blood probably manipulates them that way. Roy seemed pretty cool with it when he woke up in the Queen house.
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Dec 13, 2013 19:09
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I'd assume there's some sort of mind control element they added to the serum.
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Dec 13, 2013 19:47
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Dead Snoopy posted:That building in the background looks suspiciously like Roger's Arena, home of the Vancouver Canucks. I couldn't get that out of my head the entire time. It definitely is because in the background is BC Place and its very noticeable roof design.
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Dec 13, 2013 20:03
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Why is this show so great? I think the answer is that it's enthusiastic about it's source material, isn't ashamed of what it is, and doesn't waste the viewer's time. I am a little sad that they jettisoned "you have failed this city!", though.
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Dec 13, 2013 20:24
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Hollismason posted:That's almost literally the origin for Swamp Thing. Arrow: Being doused in chemicals then blown up is a perfectly good resurrection method
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Dec 13, 2013 20:49
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It also doesn't hurt that the cast is really into it and thinks that being able to do a show like this is great.
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Dec 13, 2013 20:50
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I am a little sad that they jettisoned "you have failed this city!", though. It's hard to play that line with any moral authority when you failed to stop the city being blown up. He needs to work himself back to being secure enough to say it again.
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Dec 13, 2013 20:50
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Nah, he just needs to start saying "You have [also] FAILED this city!!!".
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It's going to be so goddamn Glorious when Slade says that line to Ollie when they first meet in the present day.
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