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ReindeerF posted:I'm torn on whether he's woefully behind the times or whether he's the one guy who could unite the tribes. It's been since 2000 since someone ran specifically on the God stuff and his economic populism, thin as it may be, is a real wild card. Also, his son hung a stray dog, so he's got my vote locked up right there. Can it ever be inappropriate to post this photo  Note appropriate use of vertical stripes, submission grip on dog's throat.
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SedanChair posted:Can it ever be inappropriate to post this photo "O'Doyle rules!"
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hobbesmaster posted:True. Duties of a Vice President: 4. Never oppose an OCP officer.
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ReindeerF posted:I'm torn on whether he's woefully behind the times or whether he's the one guy who could unite the tribes. It's been since 2000 since someone ran specifically on the God stuff and his economic populism, thin as it may be, is a real wild card. Also, his son hung a stray dog, so he's got my vote locked up right there. This is the first time i'd heard of that, what the gently caress.
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SedanChair posted:Can it ever be inappropriate to post this photo Alter Ego posted:"O'Doyle rules!"
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ReindeerF posted:I'm torn on whether he's woefully behind the times or whether he's the one guy who could unite the tribes. It's been since 2000 since someone ran specifically on the God stuff and his economic populism, thin as it may be, is a real wild card. Also, his son hung a stray dog, so he's got my vote locked up right there. The economic true believer set, your Club For Growth types, really loving hate Huckabee and view him as a big spendin' liberal. I think there are circumstances where he can leverage his personal popularity and the perception of authenticity into the nomination, but he's like the opposite of a wingnut unifier in that there is a significant chunk of the base that will go to the ends of the earth to try and stop him.
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Yeah, that's true. Thing is, that base element is completely self-destructive. At some point, someone's going to find a way to circumvent it by bringing in a bunch of people who are activated by another issue. I don't really think Huckabee is that guy, but someone will be.
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Huckabee in the race would give Christie more of a plausible excuse to skip (or minimally invest in) Iowa, which is already going to be ridiculously crowded.
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Joementum posted:Huckabee in the race would give Christie more of a plausible excuse to skip (or minimally invest in) Iowa, which is already going to be ridiculously crowded. Also make him look a more healthy weight by comparison.
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ReindeerF posted:Yeah, that's true. Thing is, that base element is completely self-destructive. At some point, someone's going to find a way to circumvent it by bringing in a bunch of people who are activated by another issue. I don't really think Huckabee is that guy, but someone will be. People always over-estimate how much support for their personal sentiment is "out there" but I do think there is going to be a correction regarding policy towards the poor in the coming years.
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Joementum posted:Huckabee in the race would give Christie more of a plausible excuse to skip (or minimally invest in) Iowa, which is already going to be ridiculously crowded. Has skipping Iowa ever turned out to be a good idea?
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ChampRamp posted:Has skipping Iowa ever turned out to be a good idea? It is when Tom Harkin is running.
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ChampRamp posted:Has skipping Iowa ever turned out to be a good idea? Everyone in the '92 Democratic primary ignored it because Harkin was going to (and did) win as a home state favorite. Romney waited until mid-December in 2011 to jump in because he'd wasted so much on it in 2008 and figured it'd be a split field. It was only when Gingrich started gearing up in early December that Romney decided he had to squash him.
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McCain was outpolled by Fred Thompson in Iowa and went on to win the nomination. Regardless, having Huckabee in definitely does help Christie with regards to the  expectations game, because losing to Huckabee looks a lot less bad than losing to the 2016 equivalent of Rick Santorum.
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Isn't Iowa really more a case of if the eventual nominee takes it, it was because they were already broadly popular anyhow? My understanding is that it's just a sort of weather vane; if you have to fight to point it in your direction, you're probably just pissing into the wind, so to speak.
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ReidRansom posted:Isn't Iowa really more a case of if the eventual nominee takes it, it was because they were already broadly popular anyhow? My understanding is that it's just a sort of weather vane; if you have to fight to point it in your direction, you're probably just pissing into the wind, so to speak. The GOP winner has drifted toward the strongest evangelical. That's a chicken-egg thing where Iowa has less relevance now and is often downplayed or skipped by non=evangelicals. 
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I bet Biden has like the home addresses and telephone numbers of the 5 people in Iowa that voted for him.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I bet Biden has like the home addresses and telephone numbers of the 5 people in Iowa that voted for him. He called them all when they were elected mayor of Boston.
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oldswitcheroo posted:He called them all when they were elected mayor of Boston. Wait Wait Don't Tell Me really should just replace Carl Castle on the answering machines with Joe Biden congratulating you on becoming mayor of Boston.
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ErIog posted:Wait Wait Don't Tell Me really should just replace Carl Castle on the answering machines with Joe Biden congratulating you on becoming mayor of Boston. Carl Kasell.
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pangstrom posted:Yeah I've had a couple uncomfortable conversations with rich conservatives over the past year where I ended it with slightly apocalyptic "you better hope you don't get your desired policy because if things keep going in that direction some actual socialists are going to start getting elected and/or the poor are going to rise up and tear down the gates on your communities". I suspect that when populism does work in America toward effecting positive change for the poor/working/middle classes, like in most places, it's going to come with some seriously retrograde downsides. Father Coughlin and so on. Hispanic Americans would seem to be a good target these days, even with their increasingly prominent population. Takin' are jobs! As has been pointed out, with the budget out of the way (possibly) the only major issue left on the table right now is immigration and some of the biggest stars in the GOP are named Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, at least the latter of whom is very interested in the topic. Meanwhile, the Democrats are going to beat the poo poo out of that drum just to try to force the GOP to commit an unforced error.
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America is too big for a flashpoint riot to change the country. In Thailand that stuff is, mostly, shutting down Bangkok, as far as I can tell. If people were to have some massive LA riot or general strike it wouldn't make or break the rest of the country. You say that you are amazed how much it takes for the US to react but I say that is a good thing, the place you are comparing it to for example would have been much better off without being forced to go through six (possibly soon to be seven?) governments in eight years.
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Yeah, I'm well aware of American exceptionalism - which is employed to explain why such a large country can't have functioning mass transit or public healthcare and now effective protests. It's all horseshit, of course, and should be labeled American self-defeatism, really, because it's always employed to explain how Americans just aren't capable of something that A) they were in the past and B) someone else currently is. We're a pretty smart bunch statistically. The fact is, society simply isn't of a mind (collectively) to pursue those goals and the impetus to not pursue is just strong enough. There's no mitigating factor concerning size, if 100,000 poor people took over Central Park and built a fortress out of it I guarantee people would notice. The only mitigating factor in America is the advanced level of skill with respect to controlling dissent. That's not yet a thing here. It will be eventually. Even that's really a crutch, though. The one true fact is that not enough people are angry enough to get out in the streets and scare the poo poo out of the politicians. The groups that have tried, and to some degree succeeded, have either been too fragmented, too small, too unguided or just supporting establishment powers (which doesn't require a lot of sack, really).
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I'm not arguing for the idea of American exceptionalism, more so that large countries which don't have a dominating metropole in general are more stable because you can't just do something in one city. Its just that unfortunately there aren't many other large countries so America seems to be but is not alone.
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Cliff Racer posted:I'm not arguing for the idea of American exceptionalism, more so that large countries which don't have a dominating metropole in general are more stable because you can't just do something in one city. Its just that unfortunately there aren't many other large countries so America seems to be but is not alone. Well, it's that the US is rather large geographically, but also that the population is rather spread out. Russia is pretty big but is concentrated mostly on the western side, and China is mostly on its eastern coast. The US is tilted more to the East coast but it has large population centers on the West Coast and the Gulf which can't be ignored.
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computer parts posted:Well, it's that the US is rather large geographically, but also that the population is rather spread out. Russia is pretty big but is concentrated mostly on the western side, and China is mostly on its eastern coast. The US is tilted more to the East coast but it has large population centers on the West Coast and the Gulf which can't be ignored. Actually, yeah. Going down the list, I don't see a comparable country in this 'geographic demographic' except for India, Pakistan and Indonesia. Maybe Germany?
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Despite what the above person said Russia and China are actually good comparisons, yeah they are concentrated in the west/east but western Russia and eastern China are still huge areas with many geographically separated large cities. So them, India and Brazil seem like decent choices. Maybe Japan, its sort of odd how dominant Tokyo seems to be in discussion of that place when you look at that country on a population map and see a pretty good distribution of large (million plus people) cities. Indonesia would definitely be out, it is very much Java-centric with the other islands along for the ride most of the time. Mexico might work. Congo would work but its so weakly governed that you can't really tell. South Africa and Germany are iffy and I'd lead towards saying no to them, can't think of anywhere else.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I bet Biden has like the home addresses and telephone numbers of the 5 people in Iowa that voted for him. He's got a great idea for a pamphlet that will turn the people of Iowa around. We have to print literally, literally millions of these pamphlets!
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SedanChair posted:He's got a great idea for a pamphlet that will turn the people of Iowa around. We have to print literally, literally millions of these pamphlets! This is the actual reason that the Iowa Caucuses exist.
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It was an eye opening and mind numbing revelation when you revealed that the reason for Iowa's Primacy is a lack of microfilm machines (or some other old rear end machine I've literally never had to use)
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A mimeograph. Basically it's a hand crank printing press. I edited the link to the NYT article into my post above. Here's a picture of one. Apparently that model was used by the French resistance.
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Joementum posted:A mimeograph. Basically it's a hand crank printing press. I edited the link to the NYT article into my post above. Here's a picture of one. Is that why there's a nazi flag behind it?
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Joementum posted:A mimeograph. Basically it's a hand crank printing press. I edited the link to the NYT article into my post above. Here's a picture of one. I've used those before. You make a master with something similar to carbon paper. Pressure from your writing (or typing) transfers concentrated ink (typically purple colored) to the sheet behind it. That sheet then becomes your source for making copies. Each sheet of paper is then lightly coated with a solvent (mainly methanol), which is then pressed against the master (between the two rotating drums). A little bit of the ink is transferred, and you have a readable copy. You can generally get about 100 copies from each master, then you have to make a new one. This was gradually replaced by the photocopying process (Xerox took its name from the Greek xeros, because it was dry copying - it used no fluids). When I started teaching in the '80s, a lot of mimeograph machines were still around due the comparative high cost of photocopiers at the time. They've gradually disappeared as the cost of photocopying has dropped.
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Deteriorata posted:I've used those before. You make a master with something similar to carbon paper. Pressure from your writing (or typing) transfers concentrated ink (typically purple colored) to the sheet behind it. That sheet then becomes your source for making copies. I distinctly remember those mimeograph copies from grade school in the 80s; unsurprisingly my school in the backwoods of NE Vermont wasn't among the early adopters of widespread photocopying. That crap purple ink came off on everything.
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ReidRansom posted:Sounds like you two are thinking of Ditto machines, not mimeographs. Could be. Believe it or not, I'm not the biggest expert in the world on obsolete manual copying equipment that I only ever encountered in my early childhood.
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ReidRansom posted:Sounds like you two are thinking of Ditto machines, not mimeographs. You're right. They're actually two different processes. We always called it a mimeograph, but looking it up, I see what I used was actually a Ditto machine. Live and learn. For 30 years I thought they were the same thing.
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ReindeerF posted:I'm torn on whether he's woefully behind the times or whether he's the one guy who could unite the tribes. It's been since 2000 since someone ran specifically on the God stuff I'm sure Rick Santorum-God's anointed candidate-would take issue with that, sir!
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