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Look, we're giving this weapon to you guys, but let it be clear that we have no plans for you to use it. *wink wink*
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Lycus posted:Look, we're giving this weapon to you guys, but let it be clear that we have no plans for you to use it. *wink wink* I haven't played the Citadel DLC yet, but according to the wiki it's played straight: quote:In the Citadel Archives, a document dated 710 CE detailing the deployment of the genophage shows three turians with a salarian moments before activating the Shroud. The turian at the terminal states that releasing the genophage was authorized, only for the sole salarian to argue that his own government did not authorize its release. The turian orders for one of his two sergeants to restrain the salarian, only to order the other sergeant to restrain both the salarian and the first sergeant when he questions their orders, stating that it was genocide. The lead turian remarks that the salarians would be thanking the turians one day before he releases the genophage seconds later.
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Dec 12, 2013 21:57
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The still born thing is what makes the genophage a true horror. I can't tell you how upset my wife would get at the mere idea that our daughter could die, and she would still have to give birth to her corpse. Thankfully it didn't happen in our case, but if it had, it would have had a major effect on our psyche. Now imagine that done to your entire race. Then also imagine, someone came along and ended it after hundreds of years. That is the kind of event that could redefine a people. At least, that's how I see it. But only with Wrex and Eve to guide the movement.
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Dec 12, 2013 21:59
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If you're really that concerned about the Krogan without the genophage then cure the genophage but take the control ending so that they can't try anything.
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Dec 12, 2013 22:16
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MisterBibs posted:I haven't played the Citadel DLC yet ...why? Get to it 
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Dec 12, 2013 22:24
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TheSpiritFox posted:I think I remember reading somewhere that like less than 10% of the galaxy was even explored, just the areas immediately around the relays. I could swear it was in a codex entry somewhere or some flavor text or something, maybe some random small side conversation. One of the cooler ideas I heard come from that is the idea that there could be a totally separate relay network that simply never intersects with the one all the council species use -- you'd have two huge civilizations in the same galaxy that were totally unaware of the other's presence, just because their respective set of relays were too far away to reasonably reach by FTL.
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Dec 12, 2013 23:31
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MisterBibs posted:No, you're right. I think what the Codex says is that FTL alone is unfeasable to explore long distances (the whole needing-to-discharge thing, and I'm sure other things), which is why they use the MRs to get anywhere. Making sure species only develop within earshot of a MR was, after all, part of the Reaper's plan. I feel like the Citadel races all had a pretty good idea of how the physics behind Mass Relays worked-- building new relays is something that's discussed from time to time (Liara's cool bartender other mom mentions trying to convince the Asari to do it, but the government was all  ), and the comm buoy network is based on primitive mass relays. It's just the origins and true purpose of the relay network they didn't know about.
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Dec 13, 2013 00:06
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Plus the Protheans managed to understand it well enough to create a mini one for their scientists to get to the Citadel with. Although the actual mechanics of the mass relays always were a little odd to me. Fly alongside the glowy ball, but don't touch the rings that spin around it, then PSHEW new star system.
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Dec 13, 2013 00:13
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Cobalt Chloride posted:Plus the Protheans managed to understand it well enough to create a mini one for their scientists to get to the Citadel with. It uses space magic. Space magic has been here since the start of the franchise, so I don't consider it a huge deal in the endings, for example.
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Dec 13, 2013 01:07
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MisterBibs posted:(Just as I write this I've realized a small plot hole: if the races of the Citadel don't know how relays work, how can they activate one?) Or maybe the trigger that summons the reapers is the relay network detecting that someone is dicking around with it? Did space boy ever say what the trigger was?
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Dec 13, 2013 01:14
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The trigger was Sovereign waking up every couple thousand years and looking around.
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Fojar38 posted:The trigger was Sovereign waking up every couple thousand years and looking around. The trilogy was only possible because Sovereign kept grunting, hitting the snooze button, rolling back over and getting "just a few more minutes".
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Dec 13, 2013 02:04
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New fan theory: Sovereign is just grumpy because he hasn't had his morning coffee and the catalyst is a giant percolator
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Dec 13, 2013 02:23
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Harbinger was on time waking up, but he ran into space traffic.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:New fan theory: Sovereign is just grumpy because he hasn't had his morning coffee and the catalyst is a giant percolator
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Cobalt Chloride posted:Harbinger was on time waking up, but he ran into space traffic. "This Monday morning traffic is becoming an annoyance." HOOOOOOOOOOOOONK
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Burning Mustache posted:"This Monday morning traffic is becoming an annoyance." It may be how tired I am but connecting the Reaper BRRAAAWWWW with a car horn was the funniest thing I've read in days. 
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Dec 13, 2013 02:42
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Lycus posted:Is there fish in the percolator?
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Dec 13, 2013 02:45
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A friend of mine was telling me to use my multiplayer credits to but a bunch of recruit packs rather than saving for Premium Spectre packs all the time. His logic was, that way you upgrade all the generic boring guns and mods and when you purchase the next higher level packs you'll only get good poo poo. Is he right or wrong?
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Dec 13, 2013 03:36
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I still haven't gotten my Ninja Infiltrator/Adepts. I keep getting +XP for loving Quarian Marksmen and whatnot.
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Rough Lobster posted:A friend of mine was telling me to use my multiplayer credits to but a bunch of recruit packs rather than saving for Premium Spectre packs all the time. His logic was, that way you upgrade all the generic boring guns and mods and when you purchase the next higher level packs you'll only get good poo poo. Wrong thread. That said, either do Recruit - Veteran - Spectre or skip Veteran, both will work and which one is better is intensely debated (not in this thread).
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Jerusalem posted:The trilogy was only possible because Sovereign kept grunting, hitting the snooze button, rolling back over and getting "just a few more minutes". No joke, I get the impression that for all of his omnious speeches, Sovereign had a boring job with a lot of downtime, and his actions before/during ME1 were that of a guy who hosed up one time and is desperately trying to un-gently caress things before his bosses find out. YEAR 0 "Alright, everything is dead. Going to sleep." zzzzz YEAR 10,000 (wakes up} "Nothing worth dealing with." {sends a message to Reaperfleet that the moment isn't right, goes back to sleep) YEAR 20,000 {wakes up} "Maybe in a couple thousand years." {sends a message to Reaperfleet that the moment isn't right, goes back to sleep) YEAR 30,000 zzzzz YEAR 20,000 {wakes up} "Alright, let's see what OH FUCKADOODLEDOO these guys are stronger than they should. Okay, shitshitshit, calm down, I'll... okay, yeah, I'll corrupt these bugs and send them out to knock them down a few pegs. Harbinger won't realize slept too long if they are weakened. I'll be okay. " YEAR 23,000 "Dammit, bugs didn't work. Okay, these robot guys. Man, Harb is going to kill me..."
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Lightning Knight posted:Wrong thread.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:In which thread then? I'd be interested in hearing more about this. There's a dedicated ME3 multiplayer thread which is very good and has plenty of helpful people posting and giving advice in it.
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I never bought that Sovereign *actively* used the Rachni. The more I think about it, it seems far more likely that they stumbled on one of the hundreds of Reaper devices left lying around which spread its poo poo through the whole lot of them via their mental link or whatever. Taking the view Sovereign was behind it all along just means he figured this absurdly long, complicated invasion over decades was The Best Plan to get things back on track before sulking and twiddling his thumbs for another fifteen hundred/two thousand years and hooking up with the Geth. Even allowing for different perceptions of time and playing the long game, it doesn't make sense because may as well have just called his boys in immediately after the last Rachni died and boom, they show up a few years later and all go to town wrecking everyone's poo poo anyway. Perhaps he was just too embarrassed to admit to the rest of them that he didn't know what the gently caress had happened. That would have been an awesome conference call to listen in on. "WHAT IS THIS 'JUST START WALKING' poo poo? HOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNK" "I TOLD YOU, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED." "ONE JOB, NAZARA. YOU HAD ONE JOB." "TOLD YOU WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT." "OKAY, LOOK, NEVER MIND. EVERYTHING IS FINE, I HAVE IT ALL UNDER CONTROL. GO BACK TO SLEEP, WILL CALL YOU ALL LATER. Honk." .. .. "gently caress."
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According to the Leviathan DLC, the rachni actually got messed up by the ancient race which created the Reapers in the first place, as a plan to beat the Reapers by having a super-tough indoctrinated race ready to fight them or something.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Probably because as warlike/fierce as the Krogan are, their unarmored turtle hides and sharp sticks (ok, probably conventional gunpowder-type guns) would fare poorly against sentient bugs with acid spit and anything shielded. They did manage to build enough nukes to destroy their own civilisation so I think they would have done okay. The krogan were living in a fallout-esque post-apocalyptic wasteland. sassassin fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Dec 13, 2013 |
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I still like my theory that Sovereign is the one who's always left, and he's destroyed every cycle- the other Reapers just take bets as to exactly how he gets killed this time. He's like a stupid Vanguard in multiplayer that just charges in head-first and gets gunned down, then begs the other players to "rez me rez me rez me" "Alright Nazara, we're leaving back through the Citadel. You sure you've got this?" "gently caress you Harbinger ALWAYS BE CHARGIN." "Alright, we're through. Okay guys, how does he die this time? I say he ALMOST gets the Citadel open, then gets killed." ... "gently caress I DIED HARBINGER CAN I GET RES?" "Okay, keepers, go ahead and open the Relay, we'll get you Nazara... Keepers? Keepers?... gently caress. Anyways, Rannoch-Reaper, you owe me 40 bucks. Guess we've gotta hoof it this time."
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Who the hell is Nazara? Or is that an ME3 spoiler? I still haven't finished ME3... chronic indecisiveness  On a side note I really like this idea that Sovereign is just a big colossal fuckup in ME1 rather than a grand plan, so that is now headcanon
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Nazara is what Sovereign calls itself. Sovereign is just what Saren called it.
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Nazara is from Legion's ME2 dialogue, anyway.
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Concerning the Rachni/Reaper thing, my gut says that the Reapers intended them to be like a Zergling rush: throw them at the Citadel races, take a chunk out of them, then go in yourself. But the Salarians uplifted the Krogan and threw a Rush at a Rush, negating the point. Sovereign needed to start from Square One with the Geth. The details in Leviathan kinda struck me as implying credit for something to make yourself seem more powerful. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Dec 13, 2013 |
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reagan posted:Nazara is from Legion's ME2 dialogue, anyway. It could be easy for people to miss this because you usually need to do a mission to progress dialog and Legion shows up pretty late. If you GIBBED him in you get a lot more opportunity to speak with him.
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That kinda reminds me: does Legion get more Normandy dialogues beyond the first/the one for its' loyalty mission and post-suicide mission?
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I thought the Protheans were the ones that manipulated the Rachni during their own cycle? I can't remember the game ever suggesting Sovereign had used the Rachni at all.
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n4 posted:I thought the Protheans were the ones that manipulated the Rachni during their own cycle? I can't remember the game ever suggesting Sovereign had used the Rachni at all.  The Protheans went away 50000 years ago, and the Rachni wars were, like, 2000.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:What? Yea. Javik talks about it if you bring him on the Rachni mission.
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Regalingualius posted:That kinda reminds me: does Legion get more Normandy dialogues beyond the first/the one for its' loyalty mission and post-suicide mission? You can gibbed him in early, and he'll be chatty on the early recruitment missions (including Mordin's as I recall.) He won't have comments on the main story missions (Horizon/Collector Ship.) I once did this and had a techie run with an Engineer Shepard/Legion and eventually Tali, and it was a blast with three drones causing mass havoc and Legion's widow taking care of distracted enemies.
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Regalingualius posted:That kinda reminds me: does Legion get more Normandy dialogues beyond the first/the one for its' loyalty mission and post-suicide mission? He does but you need to have missions left over to trigger it (ie. after the credits, do a mission, speak with Legion, get dialogue). I usually left some of the DLC missions I bought, but any side mission will work just as well.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:What? The Protheans bred the Rachini to be weapons, according to Javik. They survived the culling of the Protheans and evolved into sentience, becoming a problem 50,000 years later.
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