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mr. stefan posted:Please stop pretending you have any idea how screen printing works. I've personally done an edition of 70 6-layer posters in well under a day, for kicks. It's not easy, but an edition of 500 is no biggie if it's part of your your full-time job. I don't begrudge Mondo their prices because prints are generally pretty undervalued and people gotta eat, but it's absolutely a deliberate choice and not some sort of technical limitation.
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Basically,mr. stefan posted:Please stop pretending you have any idea how screen printing works.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I've personally done an edition of 70 6-layer posters in well under a day, for kicks. It's not easy, but an edition of 500 is no biggie if it's part of your your full-time job. What were they prints of, if you don't mind saying? Just curious, its been something I've been meaning to do a lot more of since I left school. As for the rest of it, I'm not entirely sure if the poster printing is their full time job, is the thing; as far as I can tell from reading up on them, mondo is really small, less than ten people, and everyone has like three different jobs to do, including the whole licensing rights runaround and art direction. If that's the case I really doubt any of them have the time on hand to go balls out on a print run as well as organize everything else. What makes all of this irritating is that I don't even like a lot of Mondo's stuff, I just find it incredibly irritating when people get pissy about a print run being limited and refusing to accept any reason besides greed.
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I don't think Mondo even does their own printing. I think they get an external, screenprinting specific company to do their printing for them. I could swear I've seen posts and comments from them saying something like "Another great print-job from the folks at X screenprinting studio!".
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Dec 17, 2013 22:31
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I bought this for my wife for Christmas (and accidentally bought a 6 foot tall one so now I have two!). The other posters are a little awkward and Ryan Gosling looks like he has size 25 feet  
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Dec 17, 2013 22:43
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poo poo I did not know that that film was Gosling. I should really watch it sometime.
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Sockser posted:poo poo I did not know that that film was Gosling. I should really watch it sometime. It's very entertaining. Check it out.
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I don't like the first one. It doesn't communicate that she's a real doll so it looks like a generic romantic movie instead of an incrediblely unique Ryan Gosling film.Sockser posted:poo poo I did not know that that film was Gosling. I should really watch it sometime. It's really good. And on Netflix, I think.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I've personally done an edition of 70 6-layer posters in well under a day, for kicks. It's not easy, but an edition of 500 is no biggie if it's part of your your full-time job. Agreeing with this. I recently did a 350 piece, 4 color run for UHF's 25th anniversary. My company didn't design it, just separated the image, and printed. It took my partner and I three days and I was still recovering from a broken leg. There is a reason for Mondo to limit their runs so much but it has nothing to do with time or money. I should point out this was "three days" where we did a color, dicked around for a bit, printed some more, and then went home. Three to six hours of "work" per day. Also from my understanding Mondo has whomever designed the poster do the printing. I doubt Jay Ryan is doing a design then letting somebody outside of The Bird Machine print it. ChickenSuit fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Dec 18, 2013 00:29
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 Compare to 
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I would prefer the second one just because of the coloring, if only they hadn't given Godzilla baby-doll eyes.
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Dec 18, 2013 01:26
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Without knowing anything about printing or the business, would it be that farfetched to offer second-run printing using more traditional/lower-quality printing methods so that the collectors get their higher-quality, limited editions and the rest of us get something that's not as great but still looks nice on the wall?
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If they did that, and then were able to make non-screen printed things that had more than four colors, there are some things I might actually get from them.
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Dec 18, 2013 03:20
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Roughly how much would it cost in terms of ink, machinery etc. to screen-print just one poster, for reference? There's probably a print thread I should be reading too?
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It would be fascinating to know what kind of market research they do. Like, do they print runs in different amounts and prices and see how many seconds it takes to sell them? Do they lie about the number they print and sell more? Do they stealth sell them on ebay later?
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Hbomberguy posted:Roughly how much would it cost in terms of ink, machinery etc. to screen-print just one poster, for reference? Professional quality? 5-10 grand.
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Fayez Butts posted:Professional quality? 5-10 grand. I think they meant the marginal cost of a single poster.
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Fine then. $15 per screen (layer of ink, mondo posters tend to be around 5). Ink takes about 45 minutes to dry, so let's say $60-$75 worth of man-time, including washing out the screens. So for one print, "parts" and labor is $150.
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Dec 18, 2013 03:39
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Sorry to interrupt this discussion about Mondo posters, which has been the exact opposite of interesting, but here's the poster for the new Stephen Chow movie. Looks like an adaptation of the Jade Monkey legend. Also pretty cool to see something that at least looks hand drawn. Not enough posters do that these days.
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Dec 18, 2013 03:48
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I fuckin' love me some Journey to the West, drat. Wanna see that movie.
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From what I've heard its not very good.
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Poster for a Kevin Costner/McG/Luc Besson joint: This poster just makes me surprised we never got to see a movie with Paul Walker as Kevin Costner's son.
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What's the language in the first one? I know contra is against/versus in spanish so I assumed it was first a romance language, but it looks like it has the polish love of z's and y's.
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Frostwerks posted:What's the language in the first one? I know contra is against/versus in spanish so I assumed it was first a romance language, but it looks like it has the polish love of z's and y's. Google tells me that it is a Polish poster.
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Accident Underwater posted:I bought this for my wife for Christmas (and accidentally bought a 6 foot tall one so now I have two!). Was that drawn by Marjane Satrapi?
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muscles like this? posted:From what I've heard its not very good. Kinda a lovely poster too, but the movie doesn't deserve any better.
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Vegetable posted:It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Not even exaggerating. Aw, I read the Journey West almost every year and I would love to see an adaptation that's just as crazy/awesome/slightly disturbing. Dragonball doesn't count because it doesn't have a scene with Goku peeing on Buddha or throwing demon children on the ground so hard they splatter into goo, just to piss off their father. Renoistic fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Vegetable posted:It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Not even exaggerating. I think this is way extreme. The movie very fun to watch, and had some hilarious moments, and some parts were so over the top and insane I had a huge grin on my face. The main fault of the movie is that Chow was obviously too old to play the main role, so some other younger actor played the part, and it's clear he's "being" the Chow character. I'd really like to know how you can think it's one of the "worst movies" you've ever seen though.
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Fayez Butts posted:Fine then. $15 per screen (layer of ink, mondo posters tend to be around 5). Ink takes about 45 minutes to dry, so let's say $60-$75 worth of man-time, including washing out the screens. So for one print, "parts" and labor is $150. It's more labor than anything. And you can reclaim screens. Back in college, I did a four-layer run and we were limited to one or two screens. I think it took me about a day to knock out 30 or so. However, if you're sending it to a professional shop (or set up like one) where they're using presses with multiple stations or even automated presses, then that labor drops considerably. Also, like Joker said, they don't seem to print in anything more than four colors most of the time. More likely it's three. If SMG could pull off those numbers mentioned, SMG could print out Mondo's 250-edition run in about two working days. The way to look at layers is they're more like passes, so the work done on a 100 6-layer job is about the same as the work done on a 200 3-layer job or a 300 2-layer job. Screenprinting is pretty much suited for mass-production, it's why screen-printers are still in business because there's always a need for giant screen print runs if it's posters or shirts or merchandise.
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I had a quick troll back through Mondo's blog, because there's no point in arguing about something when the information is actually available. The 'open edition' Man of Steel was printed by D&L Screenprinting in Seattle (http://www.dlscreenprinting.com/), whose website also has a pricing guide code:
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Good lord.
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Vagabundo posted:Good lord.  "We have such sights to show you!"
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Gonz posted:
Jesus wept!
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Serak posted:I had a quick troll back through Mondo's blog, because there's no point in arguing about something when the information is actually available. It's important to remember that the "Film to Color" price is a standard set-up price per screen. So, a 500 print run 6-color poster will have an individual price-per-poster of $8.96 and will get cheaper as more are made. The price that it would cost to do a reprint would be an extra quarter.
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Serak posted:I had a quick troll back through Mondo's blog, because there's no point in arguing about something when the information is actually available. So the cost to make a poster is related to the number of colours it uses? Well, I guess we just found out why Mondo posters tend to use three colours maximum. Wouldn't want to spend any of that $70 a poster, would we?
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Vagabundo posted:Good lord. Does the title refer to the photoshop job 
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Jedit posted:So the cost to make a poster is related to the number of colours it uses? Yes and no. For the most part you're correct, but you can also have semi-transparent layers by mixing more colorless extender into it. Another is one of the ways to do blends (and it's the reason why it's a bit more expensive) is to apply extender directly to the screen instead of mixing in the ink and then screen print as normal, having the extender mix as you pull the ink across the medium. That's how a lot of gradients in printing got made before they started using benday dots and half tones. You could do this with different inks as well. Jedit posted:Well, I guess we just found out why Mondo posters tend to use three colours maximum. Wouldn't want to spend any of that $70 a poster, would we? There's still paper stock costs, but for the most part, that's almost negligible.
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Fayez Butts posted:Fine then. $15 per screen (layer of ink, mondo posters tend to be around 5). Ink takes about 45 minutes to dry, so let's say $60-$75 worth of man-time, including washing out the screens. So for one print, "parts" and labor is $150. So... You thought every time Mondo sold a poster they're eating about a 100 dollars?
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It seems like Mondo release a new poster every week. Couldn't they just stagger their releases for longer so they can do double the amount? So instead of 256 they can do 512. 512 is still a small amount and this way more people get to buy one in 5 seconds instead of 3.
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You don't get to buy someone's art because of price (Monet), supply (Mondo), sanctity (Watterson). That's all? You don't get to, then? Where could this argument finish? You don't get to own this stuff. It's not for you. That doesn't even suck, it's just a thing. Not owning a thing that was never going to be yours ought never make you sad, although I under how it could, but surely that's kind of a self serving and backwards mindset that in no way is sustainable.
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