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So at the end there did the Machine turn Samaritan back on or did it simply notice that Samaritan had reactivated?
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Don't forget Bear ok. The records were presumably doctored, since Harold didn't know she was dead either. Iowa Snow King posted:So at the end there did the Machine turn Samaritan back on or did it simply notice that Samaritan had reactivated? Control said "drives" so presumably it's deactivated and just in storage. I think the Machine is just reacting to what was said. jscolon2.0 fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Dec 18, 2013 |
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Dec 18, 2013 05:07
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Iowa Snow King posted:So at the end there did the Machine turn Samaritan back on or did it simply notice that Samaritan had reactivated? It was recalibrating based on new information. It assumed Samaritan was deactivated, but now that there's a Mexican Standoff over where it is, The Machine is saying "Oh wait, maybe it's still running. Better check that." Also, I totally hedged, BUT... DivisionPost posted:Now, Camryn Manheim's name might not mean as much as it did 15 years ago, but she's still a name. And she's being touted for a big arc in 2014, just in time for HR to wrap up and Decima/Anonymous With Guns/The Relevant List to re-enter the picture? I'm not saying she's Control -- it doesn't even entirely line up -- but if that's where they're going, it wouldn't be the worst choice.
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Dec 18, 2013 05:08
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DivisionPost posted:It was recalibrating based on new information. It assumed Samaritan was deactivated, but now that there's a Mexican Standoff over where it is, The Machine is saying "Oh wait, maybe it's still running. Better check that." Right, as far as the Machine knew, Samaritan wasn't even in a position where it could be put into action. Now it knows that it has the potential to be operational, so it's going to start looking into it.
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Dec 18, 2013 05:11
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One of the few concrete things we know about Harold's past is that he got in big trouble when he was younger. Looks like it might be that he was a hacker.
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Dec 18, 2013 05:12
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muscles like this? posted:One of the few concrete things we know about Harold's past is that he got in big trouble when he was younger. Looks like it might be that he was a hacker. We knew that he used a homemade computer to expose the code of the then military-controlled internet precursor ARPANET to the public
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Dec 18, 2013 05:18
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So when Control referred to Harold's "greatest accomplishment" or however she phrased it, was she talking about Reese or the machine?
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Dec 18, 2013 05:19
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quote:except for that piece of crap, PRISM  Iowa Snow King posted:So at the end there did the Machine turn Samaritan back on or did it simply notice that Samaritan had reactivated?
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Dec 18, 2013 05:19
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Regy Rusty posted:Well that's a good way to justify having one more pre-winter break episode.
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Dec 18, 2013 05:27
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I like how the Machine had PRISM listed as ACTIVE, DECOY along with a few others.
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Dec 18, 2013 05:36
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jscolon2.0 posted:The records were presumably doctored, since Harold didn't know she was dead either. He even pulled up a picture of her driver's license and sent it to Shaw when she first appeared. He checked, it's just that someone as high up as Control can presumably fake an identity about as well as Harold can. Machine predicting 83% on Shaw dying 
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Dec 18, 2013 05:57
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raditts posted:So when Control referred to Harold's "greatest accomplishment" or however she phrased it, was she talking about Reese or the machine? The Machine, since she said she wanted what belonged to her back. Although I supposed that could also apply to Reese.
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Dec 18, 2013 06:13
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Zaggitz posted:I like how the Machine had PRISM listed as ACTIVE, DECOY along with a few others.
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Dec 18, 2013 06:39
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Reese, Root, and Fusco. And Bear. Maybe they'll bring back what's his face, from season two, too. Leon. Lets bring Leon back.
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Dec 18, 2013 06:41
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SpookyLizard posted:Reese, Root, and Fusco. And Bear. Maybe they'll bring back what's his face, from season two, too. Leon. Lets bring Leon back. I will be so happy if Leon makes a comeback.
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Dec 18, 2013 06:46
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StarkRavingMad posted:Machine predicting 83% on Shaw dying Never going to happen, the guy behind her stands way too close so she can grab his gun and the octogenarian on the left will die of old age before the next episode. No idea what to make of the green box on Hersh, there is no way I can ever see him working with Finch.
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Dec 18, 2013 08:20
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It's yellow not green, and all it means is he knows about the machine.
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Dec 18, 2013 08:27
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So much!jscolon2.0 posted:Teen Harold just Captain Crunched that phone. raditts posted:I certainly never expected to see a Captain Crunch reference in a TV show in 2013. Sober posted:Also Hersh's first name! Bob of all things. Also the alias for I'm presuming Control's hired guns (former Secret Service?) is given as VERMILLION.7A and VERMILLION.7C. There were three, so I'm guessing the other is VERMILLION.7B but the machine doesn't expect him to die?
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Dec 18, 2013 09:10
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SpookyLizard posted:Reese, Root, and Fusco. And Bear. Maybe they'll bring back what's his face, from season two, too. Leon. Lets bring Leon back. Leon should be in every single episode.
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Dec 18, 2013 14:30
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Sub Rosa posted:So much! Also, it was accessing footage from a domestic surveillance flight from 1971 earlier. I was chuffed that I caught that. Man, this showing. Time to go read that avclub piece someone mentioned on the previous page, and nod in agreement.
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Dec 18, 2013 17:37
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Quick question for the sharp-eyed viewers- I think this was the first time that Collier or any of the Vigilance team were shown on a surveillance camera, or rather, through the machine's eye. Did Collier have a yellow box? - I was worried this might be a throwaway episode, but instead we got 2 major villain appearances (Vigilance and Special Counsel), Finch backstory (Paris in Lassiter), Reese/Fusco fisticuffs, Shaw being Shaw, Control revealed, Samaritan, and I'm probably forgetting something. Also of note- Finch ignoring the machine and Reese ignoring someone pleading for help; Root back to being locked in the cage again (continuity?); and also, "You think I won this detective shield in a poker game?" This show is so good I want to spread it all over the floor and roll around in it.
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SirMonkeyButt posted:Quick question for the sharp-eyed viewers-
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Dec 18, 2013 18:43
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I think there is an argument that root got her yellow box from deductive reasoning, as did Carter. I was actually looking for Claypool to switch to yellow when he deduced that The Machine exists because otherwise the other attempts would not have been scrapped, but he stayed white.
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Dec 18, 2013 19:38
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^^ This was my guess- given what we know so far of Vigilance's agenda, their paranoid zeal, and resources. I'm thinking that somehow they have either deduced or they suspect the existence of a watchful machine intelligence. If Root and Carter can earn their own yellow boxes, I would not be surprised at all if Collier and/or Vigilance has somehow done the same.
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Dec 18, 2013 19:47
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Sub Rosa posted:I think there is an argument that root got her yellow box from deductive reasoning, as did Carter. I was actually looking for Claypool to switch to yellow when he deduced that The Machine exists because otherwise the other attempts would not have been scrapped, but he stayed white. Well, he deducted *something* might exist and be the reason for the canceled project, but he didn't know anything concrete, so I see why he stayed with a white box.
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Dec 18, 2013 19:49
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Collier was searching for Samaritan rather than The Machine specifically so he wouldn't get a yellow box. Same deal with Claypool (and the NSA guy from season 1); they know about a machine, but not The Machine. That makes both Root and Carter's deductions that much more impressive. This show is so great. It's managed to have two mid-season finales.
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Dec 18, 2013 19:53
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Did Shaw refer to "Ma'am" in this? I remember somebody called Ma'am who was in shadows working for Control, but I don't remember the episode. I always struggle to catch information when the machine does its calculations, but I think it predicted a high probability of "death of Administrator". I loved how Fusco waited for John to get blitzed and then picked a fight.
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Dec 18, 2013 20:45
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Croisquessein posted:Did Shaw refer to "Ma'am" in this? I remember somebody called Ma'am who was in shadows working for Control, but I don't remember the episode. Ma'am IS Control, she ordered Hersh to kill Special Counsel in the S2 finale, and was revealed to us in yesterdays episode.
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Dec 18, 2013 20:55
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This episode made me mad because it was so obvious that woman wasn't Arthur's real wife and I wanted to yell at the dumb characters being dumb. I suppose that it is "tv viewer logic" versus "tv character logic" though. Also Saul Rubinek playing a secret service agent named Arthur who was up to mysterious shenanigans was kinda funny.
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Pwnstar posted:This episode made me mad because it was so obvious that woman wasn't Arthur's real wife and I wanted to yell at the dumb characters being dumb. I suppose that it is "tv viewer logic" versus "tv character logic" though. Also Saul Rubinek playing a secret service agent named Arthur who was up to mysterious shenanigans was kinda funny. I'm one of those people who gets sucked into the show, so I didn't really see it coming. As a Psych Student, I also know that it is possible for the kind of symptoms that this week's POI had to, well, exist. I definitely wasn't expecting Control herself to show up at all. That last reveal was amazing. This who show is amazing.
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I was completely blindsided by the reveal. Didn't even occur to me as a possibility due to the way he acted in general.
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Pwnstar posted:This episode made me mad because it was so obvious that woman wasn't Arthur's real wife and I wanted to yell at the dumb characters being dumb. I suppose that it is "tv viewer logic" versus "tv character logic" though. Also Saul Rubinek playing a secret service agent named Arthur who was up to mysterious shenanigans was kinda funny. Well, I was surprised by it, but I'm bad at finding out stuff early on in any case.
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richardfun posted:Also, it was accessing footage from a domestic surveillance flight from 1971 earlier. I was chuffed that I caught that. D.B. Cooper?
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Am I the only person that thinks Root is talking to Samaritan rather then Harold's Machine. That would make a lot of sense based on the whole "wants us to work together thing". It's not Harold and Root that need to work together, it's the two machines.
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Think back to the events at the end of season 2's finale and you'll see why that doesn't make any sense. This episode was NOT saying there are currently two active machines monitoring everyone. Harold's machine is the only one that's currently operational. The thing about Samaritan is that it was the only other attempt besides Harold's that actually succeeded and was ready to be implemented, it was just a little bit behind. So it still exists and is ready to be put into action if they can find it, but it's not currently monitoring anything. Control's new interest in Samaritan is a direct reaction to Harold's machine disappearing. While it's still giving them numbers, they no longer control it. So they either want to find Samaritan, to put a new machine into action that's completely under their control, or they want to find out where Harold's machine relocated itself so that they can get their hands on it again.
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Dec 19, 2013 16:26
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sbaldrick posted:Am I the only person that thinks Root is talking to Samaritan rather then Harold's Machine. This interpretation basically requires you to ignore a bunch of really blatant, not-at-all ambiguous scenes that show, from the Machine's perspective, Root being "retasked" as its Analog Interface. Also I'm pretty sure if Root was in communication with a second A.I. that she would have said something about it. The audio cue you can hear when she puts on an earbud or bluetooth is the same one they've been using for Finch's Machine since we first heard it on-screen. Like, there's literally zero evidence that this would be the case. Also, based on that last scene in the episode with the Machine calculating "operational conflict" percentages I'm not entirely sure that it views Samaritan as a potential friend, at least not yet.
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Dec 19, 2013 16:28
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I think Root is talking to the machine thru Bear. Doesn't bear have an electronic collar?
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Dec 19, 2013 17:23
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stoops posted:I think Root is talking to the machine thru Bear. Doesn't bear have an electronic collar? She has a window, it's probably flashing stop lights at her or something.
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Dec 19, 2013 17:56
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User-Friendly posted:She has a window, it's probably flashing stop lights at her or something. This is the sort of thing I was thinking. A street lamp that was 'on the fritz' could go unnoticed for a while. Or maybe something that could make noise.
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I'm assuming Root, Reese & Fusco will be working together to save Shaw and Harold.
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