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bam thwok posted:You must think people who skip commercials on their DVR are monsters. Love this point, please respond to this, RZA! (I am actually interested in hearing where you weigh in on this). I don't mind the ads in the apps I use, because pretty much the only stuff I install with ads are games that I use as little time-killers occasionally. On the other hand, as a general concept I think ads in apps is pretty terrible, and a much better set up is to release a plus version or have optional micro-transactions or something. Even if you can't find any extra features to put in the paid version, there are a few apps that I've purchased the plus version of where it has no different features, and the description just says it's the same and that they would appreciate it if people purchased it to support it. Also, I just got a cheap fasttech QI charger for my Nexus 4, and am absolutely loving it! The phone gets a little warm while charging, but not horribly so, and it's been really good about being able to keep the charge at 100% without being constantly on, or letting it drop down too far.
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surc posted:Love this point, please respond to this, RZA! (I am actually interested in hearing where you weigh in on this). Is the monetization of an web/mobile ad is when it's loaded and displayed or just clicked on?
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big mean giraffe posted:Seconding this, but if you don't want tasker there's an app called flashlight led genius that does just this. The setup screen for this is incomprehensible, but my main gripe is: is there any way to get rid of the persistent notification?
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Cakefool posted:The setup screen for this is incomprehensible, but my main gripe is: is there any way to get rid of the persistent notification? Tap the notification and deselect show notifications.
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Dec 19, 2013 22:41
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Long Francesco posted:Tap the notification and deselect show notifications. I tried this, and it then proceeded to not work. I don't remember it having that persistent notification before.
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RZA Encryption posted:Yes, some money (obscuring with your finger) vs. no money (ad is never loaded). Ads pay out for clicks not impressions. edit: (Or, at least all the big ad platforms. There's like a bajillion of them so I can't say for sure that there's not some dummies paying for impressions.) Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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Dec 19, 2013 22:44
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Weird, it still works fine without the notification for me.
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surc posted:Love this point, please respond to this, RZA! (I am actually interested in hearing where you weigh in on this). The real answer is idgaf, but the effect is magnified to app developers as opposed to media companies putting commercials on tv. If you skip every commercial during the super bowl, they're not going to stop televising them because enough people don't skip them. Of course, their viewership is many, many times the amount of the average android app and tv commercials are only a portion of their revenue. App developers are on a different level where many of them only have ads as a revenue stream. They provide you a service as a way to entice you to view the ads. They are not putting their time into development and server upkeep so you can use their service for free. It may not cost you money, but it isn't "free". Many developers (especially on android) will resort to adding ads as a revenue stream because the purchase rates are so low/piracy rates are so high. If you want to use their product or service without providing them any benefit in return, you are a sponge and it is not in their interests to serve you. You aren't a customer at that point, and they are losing money as a direct result of your being a sponge. This is why some developers choose to either skip android or do just enough to have a presence. This is why the android app ecosystem is sub-par compared to ios. It's you, adblockers and pirates. It's directly your fault.
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Thermopyle posted:Ads pay out for clicks not impressions. That may be true for most networks, but don't think they don't monitor impressions as a way to decide the payout rate. Platforms with more impressions (larger audience) will have a higher payout rate, since that audience is more valuable.
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RZA Encryption posted:It's you, adblockers and pirates. It's directly your fault. Which way to Oz Dorothy? Some strawman nonsense going on here. There's a ton of reasons why Android as an environment is not as compelling as iOS. Your two are a drop in the bucket. I doubt devs even think about adblockers, since it requires root and there's a TON of devices that don't root easily. EDIT: Also if ads don't pay out per click, but on impression, if I block them or don't click on them, the devs don't make any money either way. What's the difference? Should I be required to click on ads for the game to continue?
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I wish Google would block sideloading just to gently caress over Amazon App Store users, personally. If it helps with piracy that's fine too.
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RZA Encryption posted:The real answer is idgaf, but the effect is magnified to app developers as opposed to media companies putting commercials on tv. If you skip every commercial during the super bowl, they're not going to stop televising them because enough people don't skip them. Of course, their viewership is many, many times the amount of the average android app and tv commercials are only a portion of their revenue. App developers are on a different level where many of them only have ads as a revenue stream. They provide you a service as a way to entice you to view the ads. They are not putting their time into development and server upkeep so you can use their service for free. It may not cost you money, but it isn't "free". Many developers (especially on android) will resort to adding ads as a revenue stream because the purchase rates are so low/piracy rates are so high. If you want to use their product or service without providing them any benefit in return, you are a sponge and it is not in their interests to serve you. You aren't a customer at that point, and they are losing money as a direct result of your being a sponge. This is why some developers choose to either skip android or do just enough to have a presence. This is why the android app ecosystem is sub-par compared to ios. It's you, adblockers and pirates. It's directly your fault. You used a pretty bombastic tv/media example to contrast with app developers that are scrounging to make their business model viable. edit: what it seems you're saying is that we should be more willing to endure ads for lower quality, smaller-time services than for superior ones. Why? Because they need us to? bam thwok fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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RZA Encryption posted:That may be true for most networks, but don't think they don't monitor impressions as a way to decide the payout rate. Platforms with more impressions (larger audience) will have a higher payout rate, since that audience is more valuable. I don't want an ad networks but everything I've read says that they want to serve the smallest number of ads possible whilst still catching all the clickers. If you're blocking ads you're not a clicker. I don't block ads because I don't give a gently caress and I only root so I can back up stuff with Titanium Backup. I just think the evidence isn't strong enough to stake the position you have with the certainty you have.
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LastInLine posted:I wish Google would block sideloading just to gently caress over Amazon App Store users, personally. If it helps with piracy that's fine too.
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Apparently the Moto G's getting 4.4.2 today. http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-download-moto-g-gets-android-442.html
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Has the galaxy line been updated to 4.4 yet?
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Don Lapre posted:Has the galaxy line been updated to 4.4 yet?
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Kreeblah posted:Apparently the Moto G's getting 4.4.2 today.
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:Motorola makin' other OEMs look like clowns. Their poorphone is getting the current version of Android and Samsung and HTC don't even have their flagships there. They would give you 4.4 now but you would miss out on all the features you turned off the day you got your phone.
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Speaking of ads and ad revenue, Droid Life put up an interesting article on what could be done about it or how ads can be shown differently. It mentions things like how Tumblr and Instagram integrate ads into their apps that are as if they're actual posts so it doesn't break the flow of the app. These posts actually don't hide that they are ads (in Tumblr's case, it has a $ on it with a moving graphic to catch your eye so you know it's not a real post). http://www.droid-life.com/2013/12/19/solving-advertising-revenue-on-android-opinion/ kitten smoothie posted:Well of course. It's Android Police, not Android Fire Department. By the way, this was pretty funny and it made me laugh when I was having a kinda lovely morning so thanks for this.
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RZA Encryption posted:It's you, adblockers and pirates. It's directly your fault. This is 100% true and anyone who's debating this point...frankly doesn't have one. There have been enough statistics, experiments, and outright proof that piracy is rampant on Android. If anyone was going to put the work into supporting 95 different phones in their app in the first place, the fact that Android sees reports of 80% piracy, 95% piracy, 90% piracy and so on is probably going to make you less enthusiastic about making your app spotless on Android
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Oh, they're starting with the latest patched version and not with 4.4/4.4.1. Dayum.
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Proteus4994 posted:This is 100% true and anyone who's debating this point...frankly doesn't have one. From the first article you linked quote:Another common feature: both companies report that nearly 100% of their Chinese customers downloaded the app illegally(in Dead Trigger's case) or that nearly 100% of the overall pirated copies originated in China (in Wind-Up Knight's case)
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THF13 posted:It's still a problem, but the problem is that google needs to be able to sell stuff to Chinese customers, not that there's a ton of filthy freeloaders stealing from hard working developers. None of the pirated copies can be considered lost sales due to piracy because it is impossible for these customers to buy the games at all. Ah, OK, so it's not American software pirates. It's all the Chinese's fault. Got it.
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THF13 posted:From the first article you linked If only it could be as simple as "oh it would never have been a sale, I can't lose any sleep over this." It's that lots of apps have some sort of backend server infrastructure for in-app content, sharing, leaderboards, etc. If a developer has to scale their system out to support 100,000 users, but only 10,000 are actual paying customers, they're getting screwed. It's not a lost sale; it's worse than a lost sale. If there's an incremental cost for each new user, then you're losing money for every additional pirate user, as opposed to just getting $0. And all that aside, "they won't sell it to me in my country" is not a valid justification for pirating it.
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Is there any reason to wait to buy a Nexus 5 instead of ordering one right now? Saw someone mention possible hardware revisions?
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kitten smoothie posted:
Pretty sure Google handles all that with Play Games.
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I am not trying to defend app piracy, just arguing that the productive thing to do as an app developer is to yell at google for not providing a way to sell your product to the hundreds of millions of customers in China.
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Proteus4994 posted:This is 100% true and anyone who's debating this point...frankly doesn't have one. I don't think anyone was arguing that it wasn't true, but was arguing over how big of a deal developers should make of it.
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nerve posted:Is there any reason to wait to buy a Nexus 5 instead of ordering one right now? Saw someone mention possible hardware revisions? It looks like those revisions are actually out right now so I don't see a reason to wait.
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My MAXX shows just 4.4 but the easter egg screen is cool. No issues so far, updated over wifi while I was at work. More Google Now stuff it seems, I really like the 'Find my phone' command.
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THF13 posted:I am not trying to defend app piracy, just arguing that the productive thing to do as an app developer is to yell at google for not providing a way to sell your product to the hundreds of millions of customers in China. Google services are blocked in China so unless they provide free VPNs...also Android phones in China also don't ship with any Google stuff anyway.
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Thermopyle posted:I don't think anyone was arguing that it wasn't true, but was arguing over how big of a deal developers should make of it. I'm just saying that if programming for so many android devices isn't enough of a deterrent to really commit a lot of time and effort into their app, the piracy problem sure isn't going to help.
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TheBuilder posted:Google services are blocked in China so unless they provide free VPNs...also Android phones in China also don't ship with any Google stuff anyway. Are you sure they're blocked? I was in Chengdu and Changsha for a month last year and was able to access Gmail and Drive without going through a proxy (unless every hotel and internet cafe was routing traffic through a proxy). Facebook and Twitter were blocked though; eventually I got fed up trying to go through a VPN and discovered that Logmein isn't blocked and just logged into my home machine in America  edit: actually I know for a fact that you can access Google services because I was able to get to the US Play Store and download apps. 1st AD fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Dec 20, 2013 |
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1st AD posted:Are you sure they're blocked? I was in Chengdu and Changsha for a month last year and was able to access Gmail and Drive without going through a proxy (unless every hotel and internet cafe was routing traffic through a proxy). Facebook and Twitter were blocked though; eventually I got fed up trying to go through a VPN and discovered that Logmein isn't blocked and just logged into my home machine in America Google services are not blocked in China with the exception of Youtube and Search. Going to google.cn just displays an image linking to google.com.hk. I don't remember if there is a Google Play for China, but it is true most phones don't ship with Play Store, with companies like Oppo and Xiaomi providing their own alternatives similar to Samsung.
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AlexDeGruven posted:As long as they're not intrusive rear end in a top hat ads, I'll keep them on if there's no paid option. Rovio has gotten pretty good at this. I play Angry Birds (yes, still) with the sound off, but that doesn't stop their loving video ads playing with sound, and then that turns on the in-game sounds for a couple of seconds. /Rant My missus just got a cheap SGS3 and I am de-Touchwizing it for her, even at 720p the PenTile matrix is obvious to me. gently caress PenTile. /Other rant
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So, uh, a silly question. I've just got my new N5. But since I bought it from UK, the charger isn't exactly compatible with my sockets. Apple's adapters are just a standard AC to USB adapter, right? So it should be safe to just use those instead?
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ulvir posted:So, uh, a silly question. I've just got my new N5. But since I bought it from UK, the charger isn't exactly compatible with my sockets. Apple's adapters are just a standard AC to USB adapter, right? So it should be safe to just use those instead? It's save but it probably won't charge as fast as the original charger.
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