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Tato posted:Do you think Dolph Ziggler will be in a better, worse (is this even possible?), or the same position come this time next year? Is there any hope of him turning it around or getting back in their good graces? Even if he was in their good graces, is his current character one that can work at a main event level? Ziggler barely has a character these days, and that's not a bad thing. He's really just "cocky guy who thinks he is the best", so yeah I think that can work at a main event level. Heck, for a time Dolph was getting over and was on his way to being a main event guy on Sheamus' level, at least. The gimmick isn't a problem, getting buried is.
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Dey Yah posted:So in WWE cage matches now you can win with a pinfall, submission, or by escaping the cage. I remember the stipulation used to only be escaping the cage. When did this change happen, and was it just an accommodation for one wrestler or one spot or what? Probably around 2000-2001, actually. I don't know why they made the change, but that's been pretty much the standard for cage match rules everywhere but WWE since forever.
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In home video releases of Royal Rumble 1999, Road Dogg, Boss Man, Jeff Jarrett and a few other wrestlers and Jim Cornette offer brief comments on the forthcoming PPV at the start of the tape. Why Corny? What was his on-screen role in late 1998/early 1999?
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magnum_valentino posted:In home video releases of Royal Rumble 1999, Road Dogg, Boss Man, Jeff Jarrett and a few other wrestlers and Jim Cornette offer brief comments on the forthcoming PPV at the start of the tape. I'm pretty sure Cornette was an on and off color commentator at that point.
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Dec 20, 2013 18:57
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Cornette has always been a pretty off color commentator.
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RacistGuidingLight posted:There was also some good matches and television There have been plenty of good full episodes and a ton of moments, but my brain just immediately goes to those two. Says more about me than WWE.
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Dec 20, 2013 19:44
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RacistGuidingLight posted:No but having a program centered around him and suddenly having him taken out and feuding with Duck Dynasty with no payoff is. Because the Wyatt Family are total jobbers like 3MB and not at all being pushed toward upper midcard feuds. No, clearly the company isn't high on them at all. Bryan and Punk are being used to elevate others to their own level, not as a demotion or burial for Bryan and Punk.
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Perigryn posted:Worse. No taxi company in the area wants to go there and it's too far to walk. And Bryan can't get a signal to have a mechanic bring his Prius to drive home. He was picked up by a truck driver who happened to have a WCW cameraman in the cab with him, we just didn't see it because the live feed back to WCW now doesn't lead anywhere.
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sticklefifer posted:Because the Wyatt Family are total jobbers like 3MB and not at all being pushed toward upper midcard feuds. No, clearly the company isn't high on them at all. Elevate others? Like... enhancement talent?
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Jerusalem posted:He was picked up by a truck driver who happened to have a WCW cameraman in the cab with him, we just didn't see it because the live feed back to WCW now doesn't lead anywhere. I'd like to think the feed leads to an old style crt tv in Eric Bischoffs garage
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Dec 20, 2013 21:03
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RacistGuidingLight posted:Elevate others? Like... enhancement talent? Please, upper midcard guys and main eventers are used to elevate people all the time.
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Dec 20, 2013 21:05
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RacistGuidingLight posted:Elevate others? Like... enhancement talent? Like giving them a rub. I know it's not happened for a long time, but using main eventers to get new guys over is a proven method.
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Dec 20, 2013 21:05
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Never said Bryan ain't in a good spot, but don't pretend he's at the same place he was during the three months of The Daniel Bryan Show, and a lot wasn't swept away to put him where he is.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Please, upper midcard guys and main eventers are used to elevate people all the time. Source?
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RacistGuidingLight posted:Source? Mick Foley did it for HHH, Orton TRIED to do it for Kofi, HHH did it for Batista. Just a few examples.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Mick Foley did it for HHH, Orton TRIED to do it for Kofi, HHH did it for Batista. Just a few examples. That's all the modern examples. I mean you seriously had to bring up Kofi's aborted push to try and pretend that that's what they do regularly. "You don't makes stars by having new guys beat old guys" - HHH.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Mick Foley did it for HHH, Orton TRIED to do it for Kofi, HHH did it for Batista. Just a few examples. Mick Foley is the most apt example, regarding Daniel Bryan.
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sticklefifer posted:Because the Wyatt Family are total jobbers like 3MB and not at all being pushed toward upper midcard feuds. No, clearly the company isn't high on them at all. Punk is elevating the Shield? The same Shield that debuted in an angle against John Cena, have looked strong against the Undertaker, and have consistently had main event matches (good ones too) against main eventers? What is Punk doing for them exactly?
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flashy_mcflash posted:Punk is elevating the Shield? The same Shield that debuted in an angle against John Cena, have looked strong against the Undertaker, and have consistently had main event matches (good ones too) against main eventers? What is Punk doing for them exactly? by breaking them up so that Roman Reigns can be the next top guy
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Can we stop turning every single thread into the argument about how much WWE hates/adores Daniel Bryan and how to define burying in his case tia
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Fang Blade Havoc posted:Can we stop turning every single thread into the argument about how much WWE hates/adores Daniel Bryan and how to define burying in his case tia Yeah I am a giant DB fan and it's gotten old and boring. I have a random, stupid question-- what does PSP think of Santino? I think he's a gifted physical comedian, and he's the only guy on the roster my wife wants to have sex with.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:he's the only guy on the roster my wife wants to have sex with. ?    your wife has no taste. Also Santino can be funny sometimes, but the material they give him is usually very bad. I Before E fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 21, 2013 |
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I Before E posted:? Not who you would sleep with. He's asking for an opinion on Santino.
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Demon Hunter posted:Not who you would sleep with. He's asking for an opinion on Santino. Santina? 
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I like how Roman Reigns chose Snowy Mountain for the backdrop of his yearbook photo.
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triplexpac posted:Ziggler barely has a character these days, and that's not a bad thing. He's really just "cocky guy who thinks he is the best", so yeah I think that can work at a main event level. when recently talking about research he was doing for the year in review issue of the Observer, Meltzer even said that the shows Ziggler headlined against Cena did pretty good business, so the idea that he can't headline is ridiculous and his burial is even moreso. I really hate seeing such a talented guy get completely wasted.
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I never noticed that weird scare on Reigns before. I also never noticed Del Rio's horrible cat paw print tattoo.
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I Before E posted:? One day when you find Dusty's face in Cody's face you will also no longer desire to have sex with him.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:I have a random, stupid question-- what does PSP think of Santino? I think he's a gifted physical comedian, and he's the only guy on the roster my wife wants to have sex with. Are you actually Santino? Cuz if so I got some bad news wrt your wife 
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I Before E posted:your wife has no taste. That seems redundant. I Before E posted:Also Santino can be funny sometimes, but the material they give him is usually very bad. Yeah I would agree with that, but I think he's a good performer and has great comedic timing. I wish the comedy acts were off in their own separate federation that was just about being silly and having fun (hey kids insert your own Chikara joke here).
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MassRafTer posted:One day when you find Dusty's face in Cody's face you will also no longer desire to have sex with him.
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I Before E posted:? I read somewhere that Santino actually does very well with the ladies, including Divas, in real life.
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I Before E posted:? Way to forget Justin Gabriel, just like the WWE has.
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flashy_mcflash posted:Punk is elevating the Shield? The same Shield that debuted in an angle against John Cena, have looked strong against the Undertaker, and have consistently had main event matches (good ones too) against main eventers? What is Punk doing for them exactly? Where did I say anything about The Shield in my post? I was specifically talking about The Wyatt Family, who were feuding with The Beard & The Best tag team a month ago. I know ADHD is a wrestling fan requirement, but it was the last feud Punk was in before the TLC build.
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The fat guys stuff in the picture thread made me wonder, who are some agile fat guys?
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Suben posted:The fat guys stuff in the picture thread made me wonder, who are some agile fat guys? Jerry Blackwell, Vader and Bam Bam Bigelow are a good place to start, and there is of course Takeshi Morishima these days.
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Bam Bam during his best run was pretty drat agile. E; beaten.
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Suben posted:The fat guys stuff in the picture thread made me wonder, who are some agile fat guys? American Balloon immediately comes to mind. I think there were these two huge fat guys, the Headhunters? Who were supposed to be pretty flippy? But either way I saw one match with them and, uh, was not impressed. To say the least.
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Suben posted:The fat guys stuff in the picture thread made me wonder, who are some agile fat guys? Kevin Steen and Willie Mack.
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I honestly can't believe I blanked on Steen, Bam Bam, and the like.  Basically WWE needs a someone with Fat Guy Agility.
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