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Bicyclops posted:Like, Tuvok was an okay character concept, you just take a Spock that's vaguely angry instead of vaguely sad and watch him try to control it, and maybe make him a little more tertiary instead of the second-in-command. And Tim Russ does pretty okay with what he's given, but he's playing that character on loving Voyager, where until Seven of Nine comes along, the only other interesting character is the hologram.
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LeafyOrb posted:Call this my one really weird opinion about Voyager, but I unironically enjoyed Tuvix as a character (as much as you can like a character on Voyager) and would easily take him over either Tuvok or Neelix. His concept was loving retarded sure, but he was way more interesting than the other two were, plus he was actually competent at his job which is more than I can say for everyone else on the ship. I was actually kind of upset when Janeway murdered his rear end because Kes was sad. Also status quo and all that. A couple of seasons later in the episode "Spirit Folk" Janeway refused to delete a malfunctioning holodeck program in order to save the lives of two crewmembers, because Janeway probably has the most twisted morals of any lead character or tv, including the likes of Vic Mackey or Walter White.
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Dec 20, 2013 15:42
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When Vic Mackey convinces a man who just came out of a coma that he nearly beat a pregnant woman into having a miscarriage, you can tell Vic feels like poo poo for doing it. When Janeway destroys an entire civilization's ability to protect itself, she feels zero remorse.
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Whalley posted:I genuinely enjoy Tuvok. He's sassy and good at his job and most of all, he's the only person on crew who actively dislikes Neelix which rockets him super high in my eyes. If only voyager wasn't loving voyager. gently caress. Why is it so angrily, aggressively disappointing? I'm normally pretty good at coming up with half rear end excuses to help enjoy the show more than the average bear, but the episode where they find the Talaxian colony (episode where Neelix leaves) is really tough. Voyager has spent almost 7 seasons hauling rear end towards the Alpha Quadrant and taking tons of shortcuts (wormholes, Kes skipping them over Borg Space, tons of others, etc) yet somehow a Talaxian colony has made it further then them and they happen to cross each others path. Now you could say maybe this group left generations ago and all that jazz, but I believe the way they are acting in the episode they act like they've only been there a few years and have only been away from home for a few years too. ANYWAY it's still a good episode if only for this Tuvokness at the end: 
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Whalley posted:I genuinely enjoy Tuvok. He's sassy and good at his job and most of all, he's the only person on crew who actively dislikes Neelix which rockets him super high in my eyes. If only voyager wasn't loving voyager. gently caress. Why is it so angrily, aggressively disappointing? Tuvok has the best holodeck programs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlv_02fRyY
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counterfeitsaint posted:Tuvok has the best holodeck programs. Hey Tuvok is alright with me. I can't hate Voyager totally because even though it turned that Sky One block of Trek into a heap of boring poo poo before the Simpsons came on, it did give us this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLcIpbOHIU Also today I learned about the Skant. I totally forgot about that one guy rocking one in an S1 episode.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:No, the ECH was. He fits all the notes. A cooler, more assertive version of a previously unhip character, but it gets out of hand and nearly winds up destroying the EMH before they can get it under control The ECH was awesome. Especially the pip part.
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I vividly remember spitting out my drink when I watched the pip part for the first time years ago. "TUVOK! Activate... the photonic cannon."
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I just met the Klingon chef. Melora, it wasn't bad. S2 is certainly getting a thing going. People are willfully paying for Klingon food though? I remember Riker in that frankly awesome TNG ep doing his duty, but poo poo mang, dem be worms and it doesn't matter how much Yamok sauce you put on em.
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Dec 20, 2013 22:04
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Not everything is gagh. They eat roast targ, of course, so there's more to Klingon cuisine than worms which bite your throat as you swallow them. e: haha, holy poo poo, Picard just neck-pinched Evil Tim Russ on TNG. Time for Die Hard in space! Blade_of_tyshalle fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Dec 20, 2013 |
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Tony Montana posted:I just met the Klingon chef. Melora, it wasn't bad. S2 is certainly getting a thing going. People are willfully paying for Klingon food though? I remember Riker in that frankly awesome TNG ep doing his duty, but poo poo mang, dem be worms and it doesn't matter how much Yamok sauce you put on em. Well there's your problem. Cardassian condiments are without honor. They don't belong anywhere near Klingon food.
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Don't forget the bloodwine. Super alcoholic and super delicious. drat space-terrorists, Picard just wanted to ride horses. But no, they had to mess with his ship.
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Is bloodwine brood from real blood? Do they Pasteurize it first?
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Lowen SoDium posted:Is bloodwine brood from real blood? Its like how girl scout cookies are made from real girl scouts.
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Tony Montana posted:I just met the Klingon chef. Melora, it wasn't bad. S2 is certainly getting a thing going. People are willfully paying for Klingon food though? I remember Riker in that frankly awesome TNG ep doing his duty, but poo poo mang, dem be worms and it doesn't matter how much Yamok sauce you put on em. The problem with Melora is that she's basically the embodiment of this moment from Life's Too Short, except she's not played for laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OJiB2BGaoc Lowen SoDium posted:Is bloodwine brood from real blood? Your grammar is without honour.
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kelvron posted:drat space-terrorists, Picard just wanted to ride horses. But no, they had to mess with his ship. And he killed absolutely every last one of them. Goddamn 
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Dec 20, 2013 22:57
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kelvron posted:Don't forget the bloodwine. Super alcoholic and super delicious. He just wanted to kill Tuvok
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:And he killed absolutely every last one of them. Goddamn Whenever someone brings up how bad and out of character Picard is in the movies I like to bring up Die Hard in Space because Picard murders all the space terrorists. Not trying to defend the movies though because they are pretty bad.
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1st AD posted:Whenever someone brings up how bad and out of character Picard is in the movies I like to bring up Die Hard in Space because Picard murders all the space terrorists. Makes sense. Picard recovered from the Borg by fighting his brother in a puddle. Best way to get over Gul Madred was to kill a bunch of thieving terrorists. The episode really needed a 'now I have a phaser, ha ha ha' moment. I'm pretty sure blood is involved in the bloodwine distillation process, but since it's not purple, we can rule out Klingon blood.
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kelvron posted:Makes sense. Picard recovered from the Borg by fighting his brother in a puddle. Best way to get over Gul Madred was to kill a bunch of thieving terrorists. The episode really needed a 'now I have a phaser, ha ha ha' moment. Klingon blood is only purple when it is released in zero gravity. This is because their hemoglobins require gravitons in order to technobabble.
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That was the greatest/most horrifying thing Mike ever did.
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Mister Kingdom posted:That was the greatest/most horrifying thing Mike ever did. Still better than most Voyager episodes. Less technobabble too.
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I'm sure you've all seen this page, but I just stumbled on it and some of the random reaction shots are killing me.     My favourite is this Vulcan, though. He's pretty smug: 
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How did I never notice that Patricia Tallman was in like every Star Trek?
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1st AD posted:Whenever someone brings up how bad and out of character Picard is in the movies I like to bring up Die Hard in Space because Picard murders all the space terrorists. kelvron posted:Makes sense. Picard recovered from the Borg by fighting his brother in a puddle. Best way to get over Gul Madred was to kill a bunch of thieving terrorists. The episode really needed a 'now I have a phaser, ha ha ha' moment. I always really liked the part in Nemesis where Shinzon impales himself on the pole and collapses on Picard. There's a ton of subtext to it if you want there to be. Here is Picard, who's been agonizing over nature versus nurture when confronted with a younger version of himself. Then, suddenly, here's Picard face-to-face with his younger self dying exactly how Picard almost died. ... Shame about that.
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Remember this guy's song that became a meme on the Subspace network? The one about Wolf 359 called "Federation We Stand As One?"
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Great_Gerbil posted:I always really liked the part in Nemesis where Shinzon impales himself on the pole and collapses on Picard. There's a ton of subtext to it if you want there to be. Here is Picard, who's been agonizing over nature versus nurture when confronted with a younger version of himself. Then, suddenly, here's Picard face-to-face with his younger self dying exactly how Picard almost died. Did you know Shinzon and the lead singer of the Romantics had the same tailor?  
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiyrIuotFFA This is amazing.
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rocket_man38 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiyrIuotFFA This is amazing. We cannot exterminate something that may or may not be intelligent 
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Farecoal posted:We cannot exterminate something that may or may not be intelligent My favorite was the "which of you is least important?" segment.
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1st AD posted:Whenever someone brings up how bad and out of character Picard is in the movies I like to bring up Die Hard in Space because Picard murders all the space terrorists. I don't think he actually directly murdered any of them, and he lacked the means to prevent their deaths after he incapacitated them.
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He disabled the magnetic safety on the trilithium container, he might as well have strapped that poo poo to an RPG and launched it out the window of Ten Forward himself.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I don't think he actually directly murdered any of them, and he lacked the means to prevent their deaths after he incapacitated them. He absolutely kills the dude in the jeffries tube, by setting up a lure to get him to where the baryon sweep will pass through the wall ahead of him. Then yeah, he just can't do anything about Tuvok, but that's still a death on his conscience; there's no doubt Picard knew what leaving him in sickbay would mean.
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For a peacetime captain, Picard's killed an absolutely phenomenal amount of people via ship-to-ship engagements, five terrorists trying to build a WMD is nothing.
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Man, the actress who played Winn was such a great villain. She was so good at being a smarmy bitch, but in a totally believable way.
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Trent posted:Man, the actress who played Winn was such a great villain. She was so good at being a smarmy bitch, but in a totally believable way. Her performance is so great, it's enough to make one fly right over a nest of some sort, specifically one that involves cuckoos.
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Kai Winn is the worst school principal everyone's ever had.
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Vagabundo posted:Her performance is so great, it's enough to make one fly right over a nest of some sort, specifically one that involves cuckoos. You might say that bitch is...ratchet 
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I always loved how loving delusional Kai Winn was. The final season of DS9 when she finally realizes that she wasn't one of the good guys was the greatest thing. How do you get introduced by blowing up school and still think you are fighting the good fight.
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