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There wasn't one that I can think of. There was kind of a twist specific to the episode itself, but not a major one or anything you couldn't see coming from a mile away.
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omg chael crash posted:Can someone spoil the AoS twist for me? I stopped watching a few weeks ago. Remember the guy with the CENTIPEDE thingy on his arm in the first episode which gave him super soldier powers but which was unstable and nearly made him explode? SHIELD had spirited him away to a training camp but when the CENTIPEDE people saw him and Coulson out on a mission they kidnapped his son and demanded a hostage swap, and instead of taking the stabilized super soldier dude they grabbed Coulson.
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omg chael crash posted:Can someone spoil the AoS twist for me? I stopped watching a few weeks ago. The bad guys kidnapped Coulson and want to know how he came back from the dead. Episode then ended.
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Dec 19, 2013 15:36
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The twist is that the show is never getting good.
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Dec 19, 2013 16:27
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ToastyPotato posted:CN absolutely screwed YJ over. As well as JLU and GL. And you know who runs/owns CN? Same people who own DC. Warner Bros. has no idea what to do with any of the things it owns. Looney Tunes, DC, they are just completely in over their heads.  That would explain all the "can't use DC movie characters in the DC tv shows" - they weren't from execs thinking of the brand and not confusing people with multiple versions, they were from inter-agency turf wars and naturally the movie studios always won out.
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Cardboard Box A posted:According to someone who works at CN, the relationship between all the Time Warner subsidiaries is basically like the Microsoft Org Chart:
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Cardboard Box A posted:According to someone who works at CN, the relationship between all the Time Warner subsidiaries is basically like the Microsoft Org Chart: That's even worse than some idiot execs being incompetent. Isn't Warner publicly traded? Do the shareholders really have no problem seeing all this potential for profit being pissed away due to a lack of organization?
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ToastyPotato posted:That's even worse than some idiot execs being incompetent. Isn't Warner publicly traded? Do the shareholders really have no problem seeing all this potential for profit being pissed away due to a lack of organization? It's not lack of organization it is self-competition and competition is always good even when it becomes in everyone's self-interest to sabotage the company's other projects. Allow me to present this oddly un-scaled chart about how much worse we would be doing without self-competition.
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My favorite story about Time-Warner management
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Waterhaul posted:The twist is that the show is never getting good. A lovely twist, hth.
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SirDan3k posted:It's not lack of organization it is self-competition and competition is always good even when it becomes in everyone's self-interest to sabotage the company's other projects. Allow me to present this oddly un-scaled chart about how much worse we would be doing without self-competition.  This isn't funny anymore. 
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I'm thinking of starting on Arrow, but from what I've read here and other parts of the web, the first season is just bad. Can someone please spoil for me the important parts of season 1 for me or is there a season recap so I can start with season 2?
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Vincent posted:I'm thinking of starting on Arrow, but from what I've read here and other parts of the web, the first season is just bad. Can someone please spoil for me the important parts of season 1 for me or is there a season recap so I can start with season 2? Nah, the first season is good, it just has some rough spots. Mostly in that they're not sure what to do with a couple of characters but the stuff with Oliver is straight up good all the way through.
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Vincent posted:I'm thinking of starting on Arrow, but from what I've read here and other parts of the web, the first season is just bad. Can someone please spoil for me the important parts of season 1 for me or is there a season recap so I can start with season 2? Season 1 is pretty good. It just starts a little slow and there is one bad arc and thats Huntress.
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Vincent posted:I'm thinking of starting on Arrow, but from what I've read here and other parts of the web, the first season is just bad. Can someone please spoil for me the important parts of season 1 for me or is there a season recap so I can start with season 2?
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Vincent posted:I'm thinking of starting on Arrow, but from what I've read here and other parts of the web, the first season is just bad. Can someone please spoil for me the important parts of season 1 for me or is there a season recap so I can start with season 2? Wherever you read that was wrong. Watch the first season.
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Urdnot Fire posted:There's a one-hour recap called Arrow: Year One if you'd rather just skip to Season 2. Thank you for this. I may finally get to start enjoying this show now. I've been trudging through the last few episodes of season 1 for almost a year now. I really, really can't get into it, but the spoilers I keep hearing about season 2 make me sad that I can't get there.
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Urdnot Fire posted:There's a one-hour recap called Arrow: Year One if you'd rather just skip to Season 2. I really wouldn't suggest skipping Season 1 for people looking to get into the show. The good episodes well outnumber the handful of weaker episodes and you'd be missing so much from the season 1 finale that sets the tone of the show and how it's not going to pull punches. Also it helps to see how season 2 is redoing similar plotlines so much better.
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Most of the bad episodes still serve to further either the long plot or character development so you still get something out of them. Even The Huntress arc teaches Ollie a lesson and unlike most shows the lesson actually sticks.
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Dec 21, 2013 15:12
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Eh, you can skip the first season just fine. Yes, it's pretty good but if your interest lies with the second season, you are not going to miss much.
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e X posted:Eh, you can skip the first season just fine. Yes, it's pretty good but if your interest lies with the second season, you are not going to miss much. This is awful advice. A lot of things in the second season are payoffs to things in the first. And while the pace has accelerated, even the worst parts of season 1 are over pretty quickly.
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Well, I just watched that season 1 recap video, and I feel comfortable jumping into season 2. I desperately want to get into this show, but the middle of season 1 was just unbearable.
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Tuxedo Jack posted:Well, I just watched that season 1 recap video, and I feel comfortable jumping into season 2. I desperately want to get into this show, but the middle of season 1 was just unbearable. The 3 part finale to season 1 was awesome, if you've come this far, you should stick it out.
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Gaz-L posted:The 3 part finale to season 1 was awesome, if you've come this far, you should stick it out. Or just watch those three episodes and move on to S2.
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Error 404 posted:Or just watch those three episodes and move on to S2. If I had to suffer Jessica de Gouw struggling to maintain her accent to the point that she forgets to emote, then so does he! 
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jscolon2.0 posted:This is awful advice. A lot of things in the second season are payoffs to things in the first. And while the pace has accelerated, even the worst parts of season 1 are over pretty quickly. Bullshit, if a guy says that he doesn't much like season 1 and feels that he got the important stuff from the recap, there is no reason to say he has to watch it. That is bad advice, because you basically say he has to watch something he clearly doesn't enjoy. You can the second season just fine without knowing the ins and outs of the first. Nobody says you shouldn't watch the first season, or that the first season isn't good, but it is definitely possible to just start with the second season. e X fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Dec 21, 2013 |
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e X posted:Bullshit, if a guy says that he doesn't much like season 1 and feels that he got the important stuff from the recap, there is no reason to say he has to watch it. That is bad advice, because you basically say he has to watch something he clearly doesn't enjoy. You can the second season just fine without knowing the ins and outs of the first. He can't possibly know if he got all the important stuff from the recap. Someone who did see season 1 would have to watch it to know for sure.
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Aphrodite posted:He can't possibly know if he got all the important stuff from the recap.
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I know that season two is better then the first in most ways, but if you legitimately can't make it through the first season because you don't enjoy it I don't think the second season is going to do much to change your mind. It's still the same show. Unless you're the kind of person that will only enjoy the show because of name drops and comic references, which have had a healthy increase. And then what's the point? The show is still pretty much the same. A couple of character dynamics are changed but it's still the same formula. X-O fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Dec 22, 2013 |
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Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. If you really dislike the type of show you're watching in season 1, it's not like the second is a totally different thing, it's a better version of the same show, all the same things are there.
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I would just skip the first season. I don't even remember half of what happened the first season. It's that bad. Second season is way better. Just go Wikipedia these pay offs or whatever.
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jscolon2.0 posted:This is awful advice. It's always awful advice for any series, book or TV, that has any sort of serialization or actual character development. Especially with a show like this where the first season isn't bad. A couple characters suck, but the ultimate payoff is well worth just watching it. Skipping it just lets you walk into the middle of a storyline with no real investment into any of the plots or characters. Deadpool posted:I know that season two is better then the first in most ways, but if you legitimately can't make it through the first season because you don't enjoy it I don't think the second season is going to do much to change your mind. It's still the same show. And this. Part of what makes the second season so great is how it builds on stuff the first season established. It's not like it's suddenly become something different.
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Fox's Gotham sounds like a straight-up Smallville redux now.quote:Network entertainment chairman Kevin Reilly says "Gotham" won't be just about Commissioner Gordon and that fans of the DC comic can expect villains Catwoman, Riddler and the Joker.
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After being spoiled by Arrow, I don't know if I can endure more of that 'next season for sure we'll see Batman, for sure' bullshit. 
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"Right up until the point where he gets interesting" may be an unintentionally revealing choice of words. When it was first announced that Fox had ordered a Commissioner Gordon show set in a pre-Batman Gotham, I thought they could go in one of two directions: say "gently caress it" to Batman canon and have Hunky Six-Pack Gordon and the GCPD combating full-on supervillains with no Bruce Wayne in sight, or do a more grounded show that could more plausibly take place before Batman appears in Gotham, but at the cost of being basically just another cop show with references occasionally dropped to Arkham Asylum, Selina Kyle, Oswald Cobblepot, Roman Sionis, etc. I didn't and still don't see a workable middle ground. I'd love to be wrong and will be no doubt be tuning in for the pilot, but it sure sounds like they've chosen to pursue the unworkable middle ground.
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We are going to follow Bruce Wayne through all the boring stuff no one cares about and then end the show before it gets to the part people actually want to see. Yes, this is how we are trying to sell people on the show. Also, how can Joker, Riddler, and Catwoman be on this show if all of them are basically the same age as Bruce? The Joker might be slightly older? I guess the Riddler might as well, but both of them did not become super villains until after Batman started his career.
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I can see the concept working out if Gotham were a one season show. But then it would feel like a prologue of sorts, maybe setting the groundwork for Bat-Affleck saga? 
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I can see the concept working out if Gotham were a one season show. But then it would feel like a prologue of sorts, maybe setting the groundwork for Bat-Affleck saga? This would work in the same universe where Smallville was a four-season show that transitioned to Metropolis and a full-fledged Superman. I wish I lived in that universe.
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quote:Reilly confirmed that the series will be as much of an origins story for Batman as Gordon. The pilot, executive produced and written by The Mentalist showrunner Bruno Heller, is in the process of casting -- and Reilly supposed that they will be looking for a boy of about 12 years old to play the young Wayne. Gordon becomes Batman, Wayne becomes Robin. Do it Warner, go nuts
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ToastyPotato posted:We are going to follow Bruce Wayne through all the boring stuff no one cares about and then end the show before it gets to the part people actually want to see. Yes, this is how we are trying to sell people on the show.
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