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sincx posted:Yoshio is a pervert/stalker. What do you expect? Maybe just a pervert! He does give you his sister's measurements after all
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FractalSandwich posted:This game's habit of providing teenage girls' measurements worries me. It's creepy. And weird. And creepy. I don't even know what to infer from them. I'm not a physician. I'm not a tailor. I don't have any business knowing about that poo poo. Japanese culture in general really likes having those numbers handy. It's very common for idols and models to be asked about their measurements, partially because of the prevalence of padding and other "enhancement" techniques in a gene pool predisposed to smaller busts. Not that this keeps said celebrities from lying about their measurements either, but hey, this stuff goes both ways. So while it may be a bit creepy from an outsider's perspective, it's information that Japanese people are kinda curious about, or are used to having at hand. In 2D girl terms, the numbers are there as both a style guide and a better visualization tool. You hardly ever see any of these characters from the sternum down, so I suppose it's handy to know what the proportions are. And not only does this game give you the measurements of teenage girls, but if you keep up with Yoshio from year to year, he'll keep reporting on their growth!
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cyxx posted:Maybe just a pervert! He does give you his sister's measurements after all Maybe it's his subtle way of saying "I think you would be an acceptable brother-in-law". Nobody said he's the one measuring her. If you go on his sister's route, does his behavior/dialogue change any?
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Shiori suddenly turning the tables and stalking Goon everywhere is a lot funnier than it has any right to be.
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BlitzBlast posted:Shiori suddenly turning the tables and stalking Goon everywhere is a lot funnier than it has any right to be. The fact that it's disrupting Goon's efforts to ultimately end up with her is pretty great. Game mechanics!
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Now; forgive me if I'm misquoting you here, but as far as I understood it the reason you were saying no to walking home with girls was twofold: 1 - You don't want that girl to gain affection, and 2 - Megumi goes apeshit whenever you walk home with anyone that isn't her. Knowing that then - if Megumi is in bomb status anyways (and you've got a date to fix it) couldn't you, say, walk home with Yumi one day to push her bomb status back a bit? Or is it that there's no bomb hard cap and simply walking home with someone might actually set Megumi's bomb off?
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Poulpe posted:Now; forgive me if I'm misquoting you here, but as far as I understood it the reason you were saying no to walking home with girls was twofold: The bomb hard cap is the bomb actually going off. You can absolutely trigger a bomb even when you've got a pending date to fix it.
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vibratingsheep posted:Japanese culture in general really likes having those numbers handy. It's very common for idols and models to be asked about their measurements, partially because of the prevalence of padding and other "enhancement" techniques in a gene pool predisposed to smaller busts. Not that this keeps said celebrities from lying about their measurements either, but hey, this stuff goes both ways. So while it may be a bit creepy from an outsider's perspective, it's information that Japanese people are kinda curious about, or are used to having at hand. I do see what you're saying. I can maybe kind of believe that it might possibly come across as slightly less problematic in Japan, if only because it seems wildly out of character for this game otherwise. I'd expect that kind of poo poo from a game made in 2013, but this one seems so much more earnest than that. Really, I was hoping that the circumference of one's bust was somehow significant in Japanese numerology or something. Then it would at least be as relevant as blood type and star sign.
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FractalSandwich posted:
I can actually see that being a thing. Please don't give them ideas.
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FractalSandwich posted:I do see what you're saying. I can maybe kind of believe that it might possibly come across as slightly less problematic in Japan, if only because it seems wildly out of character for this game otherwise. I'd expect that kind of poo poo from a game made in 2013, but this one seems so much more earnest than that. Did a bit more digging into the measurements thing, and the nicopedia entry about measurements mentions that measurements are pretty much reserved for idols, models, and 2D characters. Real people don't give that stuff out, and normal people shouldn't ask for it. It also mentions that Doraemon's measurements are 129.3-129.3-129.3. I find that information somehow awesome.
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vibratingsheep posted:Did a bit more digging into the measurements thing, and the nicopedia entry about measurements mentions that measurements are pretty much reserved for idols, models, and 2D characters. Real people don't give that stuff out, and normal people shouldn't ask for it. This doesn't seem like the kind of game that would want to dehumanize its characters like that, but then one of them is a mad scientist who built a robot to fight a space alien, so I dunno.
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vibratingsheep posted:It also mentions that Doraemon's measurements are 129.3-129.3-129.3. I find that information somehow awesome. Hah, really? My Doraemon book says: Height: 129.3 cm Weight: 129.3 kg Chest Circumference: 129.3 cm Seated height: 100.0 cm But I have a translated version, so who knows.
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I really have to say I am genuinely surprised that a game of this order can be considered difficult and actually require employing strategy. My impression of this genre wasn't a terribly high one before; I didn't even think they had any classifiable gameplay at all, and that this game was an early progenitor of that. However, seeing it now in process reminds a lot of Ice Pick Lodge's The Void in many respects, at least as far as concept and gameplay goes. That said, given how Shiori there has been looking at us with nothing but those blushstruck eyes for the past few updates, I can kind of also see how it contributed to my less than well impression of it in the first place. I'm unsure what to make of that.
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Morroque posted:I really have to say I am genuinely surprised that a game of this order can be considered difficult and actually require employing strategy. My impression of this genre wasn't a terribly high one before; I didn't even think they had any classifiable gameplay at all, and that this game was an early progenitor of that. However, seeing it now in process reminds a lot of Ice Pick Lodge's The Void in many respects, at least as far as concept and gameplay goes. You might be thinking of the straight Visual Novel, which is basically a novel with illustrations, and most often a few branching paths but not much to keep track of otherwise. (Often a VN will have a hidden "affection score" or similar for each possible character, which is affected by various choices. At some point you will then be sent down a specific path/route depending on your affection scores, but it's entirely deterministic, and overall such a simple mechanic that you can easily enumerate the possibilities, unlike the Dating Sim where you have multiple choices on each day.)
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Chapter 14: Winter 1996/97, Groundhog Christmas 2 Christmas 1996 is going to be a very tenuous time. If at all possible, we have five objectives, listed from most important to least important: 1) Avoid Megumi 2) Clear Yuina's bomb 3) Avoid Yumi 4) Don't open Rei's present 5) Open Shiori's present That's the ideal scenario, since it will keep the two bombers below maximum affection, avoid having to date Yuina for a few months, and max out Shiori's affection. It's why we know Ayako and Yuina in the first place, so we are going to reload until we have that Perfect Christmas Party. Strap yourselves in, this could take a while. We're going to keep reloading until the Christmas Party event is exactly Shiori, Yuina, and Ayako. Getting Shiori's present at that point is a bonus. If getting these five exact events to happen sounds ridiculous, it's because it is. The safest option is honestly to dodge the Christmas Party entirely, but Shiori does have an event that requires the Christmas Party... so Utter Perfection demands that we at least make the attempt. 12/23 (Holiday): Exercise 12/24: Ijuuin Christmas Party Goon: (They're holding a Christmas party at the Ijuuin house today. I should probably head to the grounds.) Goon: Here I am at the Ijuuin house. No matter how many times I see it, this place still looks enormous to me.  Man in black: Would you happen to be a friend of Rei-sama? Goon: I don't know if we're friends, but we're classmates. Man in black: That's good enough. Please come inside. Goon: Looks like the party's just starting.  Rei: Welcome, everyone, to the pride of the Ijuuin family - our Christmas party. Rei: Forget your dreary everyday lives, and make merry tonight! Goon: Is he just saying the same thing every year?  Rei: Did you say something? Goon: How could you not hear that? Are you stupid? Rei: How uncouth. However, it is but the howling of a peasant. It affects me less than a mosquito bite. Goon: I hate you. Rei: Go and taste the kind of luxury you can only see once a year. Rei: Haaaahahahahahaha! And now, I must excuse myself. Goon: I really hate that guy.  Shiori: Ah, Goon. You were invited too? Goon: Shiori, I didn't know you were here. Game: Talked to Shiori for a while. Shiori: My friends are waiting for me, so I'm going to go meet back up with them. Goon: Okay, see you later. REE REE REE REE REE REE  Megumi: Oh, Fudou-kun! You were invited here? Goon: Mikihara-san, I didn't know you were here. Game: Talked to Mikihara-san for a while. Megumi: Um... sorry... I have to go... Goon: Don't let me keep you. See you later.  Yumi: Fudou-san, you were invited? Goon: Yumi-chan, I didn't know you were here. Game: Talked to Yumi-chan for a while. Yumi: Yumi came here with some classmates, so it's time to go. Goon: Don't let me keep you. See you later.  It's Yumi-chan's present! The Tokimeki Card Game. We should play with her some time. This is one of the nightmare scenarios. Yumi and Megumi's affection will skyrocket with this, and Yuina still has that bomb we haven't cleared. So... RELOAD COUNT: 36 12/23 (Holiday): Exercise 12/24: Ijuuin Christmas Party, part 2  Shiori-Megumi-Yumi again, but at least we got Shiori's present. This is merely the second-worst outcome! Might as well create a new save here, just in case. RELOAD COUNT: 37 12/23 (Holiday): Exercise  A gust of wind... RELOAD COUNT: 38 12/23 (Holiday): Exercise  A dog barks... RELOAD COUNT: 39  Cue the truck. RELOAD COUNT: 40 At this point, we're starting to despair of ever getting a sequence that is not just Shiori-Megumi-Yumi. It's pretty brutal since this has a huge impact on the coming year. At this point, I reloaded an earlier save just to see if I needed to change the RNG seed or something. It didn't work, and it was Megumi and Yumi at the Christmas party again. RELOAD COUNT: 41 Shiori... then Megumi... then...  Ayako: Merry Christmas! Glad to see you here, Fudou-kun. Goon: Katagiri-san, I didn't know you were here. Game: Talked to Katagiri-san for a while. Ayako: Ah, gomen nasai, I'm sorry! My friends are waiting for me, I have to go. Goon: Okay, see you later.  It's Katagiri-san's present! It's a book of of R.H. Gergie's art. Ummmm, it's very... artistic. Well, at least we know that things can change. RELOAD COUNT: 42  Yuina: Ah, Gunpei-kun, I knew you were coming. Goon: Himoo-san, you're here too? Game: Spent a while talking to Himoo-san. Yuina: I have research left undone, so I will have to excuse myself. Goon: Okay, see you later. Good... good... this is good... REE REE REE REE REE REE  GodDAMMIT RELOAD COUNT: 43 The next three runs had Megumi-Yumi sequences too. RELOAD COUNT: 44, 45, 46 The next run had Megumi-Yuina. Improved, but still bad. RELOAD COUNT: 47 Megumi-Yumi again. RELOAD COUNT: 48  Promising...  YES  Game: It's time for the gift exchange. Pick which present you want to open. Why am I not playing with save states drat you PS3 emulation why can't you just do this one thing for me why do I have to deal with a 25% chance after reloading 13 times  It's Himoo-san's present! A notebook-sized supercomputer! I feel the need... the need for research! This is the second-best outcome. I could do a good-enough run. I really could. But you guys voted for Utter Perfection and that means I shouldn't settle for second-best. After all, how long could it take? RELOAD COUNT: 107 No, that is not a misprint. I kept a running tally. In those 59 reloads, there were 5 Shiori-Yuina-Ayako sequences, and a whole lot of Megumi and Yumi in between. But this one finally went well... Shiori.  Yuina. Ayako.  It's Shiori's present! A white coffee cup? This will make coffee taste better. I am never, ever reloading a game this many times again. But here's our reward, at the end of the party:  Shiori: Hey, Goon! Goon: Hey, Shiori. What's up? Shiori: If it's okay with you... do you want to walk home together? Goon: Yeah, I'll walk you home.  Shiori: Wasn't that a fun party? Goon: (It would've been better if Ijuuin hadn't been there.) Shiori: Oh yeah, didn't we used to have our own Christmas party every year? Goon: I think so. I wonder when we started going to different parties. Shiori: You don't remember? A certain somebody decided to go off on their own and go out with their friends back in grade school. Goon: ...you mean me?  Shiori: (giggle) It was... me. Goon: Hey! Shiori: Eek! Sorry! I'm sorry. Goon: Teasing me like that...  Shiori: Hey, look! Goon: Hmm? Shiori: It's snowing... Goon: It really is... Shiori: How beautiful... it's a white Christmas. Goon: (I have to make sure and thank Santa Claus.) We could have just waited until Christmas 1997 to see this, and it probably would have been way less frustrating. But here's the thing: the Megumi and Yumi dodging was vital to success. Megumi is liable to overtake Shiori at any opportunity. We can never give her the chance. 12/24-12/28 (winter break): Exercise 12/29 (Sunday): Date with Shiori I'll be honest, I nearly forgot about this. It's... it's been a long two days. Goon: (Today's my date with Shiori. I should go meet up with her in front of the slopes.) Goon: It doesn't look like Shiori's here yet. Goon: I'll wait a little longer.  Shiori: I'm really sorry. I was held up a little bit... Goon: No, don't worry about it. I just got here. Shiori: Then what are we waiting for? Let's get skiing!  Shiori: how good are you at skiing? Option 1: I can sled, at least. Option 2: I can kinda ski alright. Option 3: I can handle myself pretty well. Shiori loves skiing, so it's time to be good at skiing with option 3. Shiori: If that's the case, let's to to the expert course. Goon: (Looks like I made a great impression!)  Shiori: Today was a lot of fun. Will you invite me out again some time? Goon: Yeah, of course. I'll call you soon. Shiori: Let's head home, Goon. 12/30-12/31: Exercise 1/1 (New Year's Day): Hatsumoude event  (ding dong!) Goon: Who's there? Deliveryman: Here're your New Year's cards! Goon: (Sweet! Shiori, Himoo-san, and Mikihara-san sent New Year's cards. How lucky!) In one of the previous loads, I checked this day just in case. Yes, if we see Yumi on Christmas 1996, her affection goes high enough to send a New Year's card too. Bullet dodged. (ding-dong!) Goon: Hmm? Who could that be?  Shiori: Happy new year! Goon: Happy new year. That furisode looks really good. Shiori: Oh, thanks... hey, do you want to head out to Hatsumoude...? Option 1: That sounds good, let's go. Option 2: Nah, I'll pass. Speaking of bullets dodged, in some of the Megumi Christmas party runs, it was Megumi who came over to invite us out to Hatsumoude. Double dodged. Anyway, given the sheer amount of work we put into it, there is no way in hell we are turning her down. Shiori: I'm so glad you didn't say no. Let's go!  Goon: Alright, let's go pay our respects. Shiori: Yeah, we shouldn't waste any time.  Goon: what should I pray for? Option 1: Success in academics Option 2: Health Option 3: Luck in love As explained in Chapter 6, the best choice is almost always to ask for success in academics. God: (Your wish shall be granted.) Goon: (Hmm? It feels like my mind is working faster.)  Shiori: Hey, what did you pray for? Goon: It's, uh, it's a secret. What about you, Shiori? Shiori: Mine's a secret too. Because... hey, should we go pull our fortunes? Nice save, Shiori. The implication is that she doesn't want to say, because it's embarrassing to say out loud.  This year, I pulled 中吉/Chuukichi, or moderately good luck.  Goon: (Eh, I guess it's not bad.) Shiori: Hey, how's it look? Goon: Go ahead and see for yourself. Shiori: Ooh, not bad. This might be the best result anyway. Goon: What about yours, Shiori? Let me see! Shiori: Well... okay, I don't mind. Goon: Wow, you pulled Great Luck! No fair hogging all the luck. Shiori: But, um, you know what they say, "moderation in all things". Goon: You don't have to console me, I don't really care. Goon: (I. Am. So. Jealous.) Shiori: As the saying goes, "Make all of your plans on New Year's Day". It feels like this is going to be a good year. This is a real Japanese saying - it basically means "Get things done early" Goon: You... you think so? Anyway, should we get going? Shiori: Yeah, let's head home. 1/2-1/4: Exercise So... I hope you guys don't mind if I take a little break here, since I spent a fairly sizable chunk of my weekend reloading this game. On the plus side, the hardest Christmas is over! Christmas of year 3 is mostly irrelevant, so this is the last time we'll be doing anything even close to this annoying. 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Raitzeno posted:59 reloads. Ahahahahahaha 71, technically!
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vibratingsheep posted:RELOAD COUNT: 107 This is the best LP. If anyone had any doubts about whether or not he was conveying the true Tokimeki Memorial Utter Perfection experience, well, here it is.
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Jesus christ, 59 reloads just to get one sequence right.  How long did that take, just out of curiosity?
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Is it mathematically impossible to get the ending you want without all this savescumming, or are you just doing it because it's easier this way, and losing your campaign wouldn't make for a very interesting LP?
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He's not doing it because he needs to, he's doing it for Utter Perfection. Which is exactly why we all wanted him to shoot for that in the first place.  Also is Goon this angry at Rei even if you're shooting for her? It seems like it'd be really awkward.
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BlitzBlast posted:He's not doing it because he needs to, he's doing it for Utter Perfection. Which is exactly why we all wanted him to shoot for that in the first place. The Rei revelation is held until the very last day. So yes. FractalSandwich posted:Is it mathematically impossible to get the ending you want without all this savescumming, or are you just doing it because it's easier this way, and losing your campaign wouldn't make for a very interesting LP? It's more than possible. But this exact sequence was the ideal situation, since it provides something like 7 Sundays worth of affection/bomb clearing. So it gives us way more leeway. vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Dec 23, 2013 |
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As much as I'm dissapointed for not going for Yuina, seeing you go to these lengths for Perfection has truly turned into genuine entertainment. KEEP SUFFERING FOR US  (and thanks, I'm enjoying this a lot, it's fun!)
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vibratingsheep posted:It's more than possible. But this exact sequence was the ideal situation, since it provides something like 7 Sundays worth of affection/bomb clearing. So it gives us way more leeway. I see. So this isn't what a normal campaign looks like, but a cautionary tale of exactly what it takes to ascend to a level beyond Utter Perfection. I may play this video game at some point. You said it's on the Japanese PSN store, right?
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FractalSandwich posted:I see. So this isn't what a normal campaign looks like, but a cautionary tale of exactly what it takes to ascend to a level beyond Utter Perfection. The normal campaign is waaaaaaaaaaaay easier than this is. But it's also the kind of thing you have to think about in order to win the Shiori route.
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Mr. Trampoline posted:How did Arino manage to get the Shiori ending with all the two-timing he did? Which would be how the mechanic works in something like Persona 3 but not in this game. The actual bomb criteria is if you ignore a generated character for too long without taking them out on dates/giving gifts/paying some kind of attention to them, which means that... yes, "two-timing" would be the actual proper method of play. I guess some people find this counter-intuitive since the game is supposed to be more "legitimate" than its "competitors" in the genre but I always thought it was more interesting that way. It's kind of silly to have multiple characters in the same game if you're only ever going to just focus all your stat raising on getting one of them per playthrough.
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Mr. Trampoline posted:My only experience with this game is the Game Center CX episode, and I have to say... How did Arino manage to get the Shiori ending with all the two-timing he did? Y'know that episode was very vague about his progress, didn't elaborate much, and to this day I still don't think Arino pulled it off. I think they set it up. 
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So glad I caught up with this thread. This last Christmas was loving magic.
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So a quick update - I blazed through year 3 today, and have all the footage I need for the rest of this LP. You should see Goon's final form by the time 2013 is out. I have an odd feeling that I know the answer to this question, but: What do you want to see as my next LP? A) Go back for a Yuina run, dammit! SCIENCE! B) Show us the side games! Puzzle games and side stories from Hideo Kojima, before he made Metal Gear Solid! C) Let's get to Tokimeki Memorial 2 ASAP! D) Screw these Japanese games, start your Metal Wolf Chaos stream and go FULL MURICA for 2014! Because of the inopportune timing of this post, I'll check back on the poll on the 26th some time, after I wake up from my drunken stupor. Happy holidays, all! May your Christmas not involve reloading 71 goddamn times!
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A and B! A less stressful and more  runthrough and sure let's see some sidegames.
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A/B That Christmas session was amazing. Also, I don't know if it's been outright stated, but do higher affection levels affect bomb timers or is the panic over people liking Goon too much pretty much just wanting to get Shiori's events?
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Arbitrary Coin posted:A/B That Christmas session was amazing. Higher affection levels make bomb timers shorter, and leads to more events that raise the bomb meter as well - having to say no to the after school walk home events and date invitations adds up fast. Walking home with someone after school also raises the bomb meter of every other girl in the game.
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All I really care about is B. But sure, SCIENCE and all that.
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I've already learned several things about this game's mechanics from the LP despite having played it a fair amount myself. Let's continue my personal enrichment with B! But if we get more Yuina I'll not be sad.
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vibratingsheep posted:A) Go back for a Yuina run, dammit! SCIENCE! Why are there options? Also okinawa.
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