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The wife got me a Dell U2413 for giftmas. It looks great except it has really strong ghosting (which I first noticed scrolling through this very thread). Apparently Dell doesn't consider it a defect, but according to some other reviews it's been fixed in later revisions. I've got an A00, what are the odds I'll get a better one if I return it?
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So, I got a u2312hm and it's pretty great except for the fact that whenever I try to run battlefield 4, the screen just kind of dims and the taskbar still shows, and the screen is black otherwise. I reinstalled battlefield 4, my graphic card drivers, as well as installing the monitor drivers and still nothing.
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Dell's 24" 4k monitor is officially out in Aus for around $1500.  **if you have a lazy $1500.
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I'd rather spend the 4.5k for the 31.5" 4k screen, if I had that much disposable income. That's probably going to be my next screen purchase. When I can buy a ~32" IPS screen with 4K resolution that does 60hz refresh, and doesn't need driver fuckery to create the illusion to your PC that you have 2 smaller screens; and when I can get the above for under 1K AUD, I'm jumping on it.
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Are there any 30" IPS screens for under 1k right now, even foregoing the 4k?
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Dec 26, 2013 06:28
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Yip Yips posted:Are there any 30" IPS screens for under 1k right now, even foregoing the 4k? Korean imports for $600 to $700, e.g. MonoPrice.
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The Lord Bude posted:I'd rather spend the 4.5k for the 31.5" 4k screen, if I had that much disposable income. That's probably going to be my next screen purchase. When I can buy a ~32" IPS screen with 4K resolution that does 60hz refresh, and doesn't need driver fuckery to create the illusion to your PC that you have 2 smaller screens; and when I can get the above for under 1K AUD, I'm jumping on it. Yip Yips posted:Are there any 30" IPS screens for under 1k right now, even foregoing the 4k? $4.5k is waaay to much, personally, but there's some good news - there's supposed to be a new, sub $1k 28" 4K Dell out in early 2014. I'd be fine with it only having one DP input, no OSD and stand, as long as it didn't sacrifice too much IQ over the more expensive 32/24" options. I'll be returning a u2311h now so that could result in some cash to go toward this baby. Edit: So my monitor fixed itself just before I was going to bring it in for a warranty refund/replacement. Actually I fixed it by disconnecting and reconnecting the power cable, as I wanted to make sure the issue could be easily reproduced. It can't, so no guilt-free upgrade for me. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Dec 26, 2013 |
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Dec 26, 2013 11:59
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Yip Yips posted:Are there any 30" IPS screens for under 1k right now, even foregoing the 4k? You can pretty frequently find the Dell U3014 on sale for 899-999$ as well.
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Dec 26, 2013 15:57
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Bob NewSCART posted:So, I got a u2312hm and it's pretty great except for the fact that whenever I try to run battlefield 4, the screen just kind of dims and the taskbar still shows, and the screen is black otherwise. I reinstalled battlefield 4, my graphic card drivers, as well as installing the monitor drivers and still nothing. I'm just trying to figure out if it's a problem with the software or the hardware at this point considering the monitor is brand new and i haven't gotten much result by googling the issue I'm having.
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Dec 26, 2013 16:03
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Bob NewSCART posted:I'm just trying to figure out if it's a problem with the software or the hardware at this point considering the monitor is brand new and i haven't gotten much result by googling the issue I'm having. Hit alt - enter when you start BF4 until you get a picture then adjust your video settings again in game. Your computer is likely trying to apply full screen video settings that are incompatible with your new monitor.
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Dec 26, 2013 17:38
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Wasabi the J posted:Hit alt - enter when you start BF4 until you get a picture then adjust your video settings again in game. This makes sense and I'll try to just delete the folder that holds the video settings etc. That should be in user/documents/games or whatever correct?
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Dec 26, 2013 18:49
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Bob NewSCART posted:This makes sense and I'll try to just delete the folder that holds the video settings etc. That should be in user/documents/games or whatever correct? Problem is I don't know. My trick was the only thing I had to do.
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Dec 26, 2013 18:55
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Bob NewSCART posted:This makes sense and I'll try to just delete the folder that holds the video settings etc. That should be in user/documents/games or whatever correct? http://battlefield.realmware.co.uk/bf4-settings-editor/
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Dec 26, 2013 18:59
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What are the crucial differences between Dell Ultrasharps and their other IPS monitors? Their P and S series both have IPS and I don't really need the graphic artist color quality of an Ultrasharp. Would there be any big reason not to buy the S2340M, for example? They seem to be 6-bit instead of 8-bit, which is how they manage the lower price. Moving up from an 8 year old TN, would that even be something to give a poo poo about? Thanks.
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Dec 27, 2013 20:42
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The S series have VGA and DVI-D plugs only, and are 1080p @ 60hz and glossy. Ultrasharps have HDMI, Displayport, USB stuff, matte screens, stands that articulate more, and other small bells/whistles. They can be 1440p and other stuff. If you're just upgrading out of an ancient TN, the 21.5 or the 23 inch Dell S series will blow you away. I've been getting the 21.5 to replace all the failing monitors at work and have been nabbing them for $90-120
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Zero VGS posted:The S series have VGA and DVI-D plugs only, and are 1080p @ 60hz and glossy. Ultrasharps have HDMI, Displayport, USB stuff, matte screens, stands that articulate more, and other small bells/whistles. They can be 1440p and other stuff. Weirdly the S series have different inputs on different sizes. The 24" has HDMI and VGA only, which was a strange decision; it kinda depends on what you have and if it's a big enough deal to steer you towards something else. Also you'd have to go with the U's if you want 16:10. That was really the only thing I cared about when looking back and forth between the s24## and the u2412 but it wasn't a big enough deal to be worth the additional $100+.
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Dec 27, 2013 21:26
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Wulfolme posted:They seem to be 6-bit instead of 8-bit, which is how they manage the lower price. Moving up from an 8 year old TN, would that even be something to give a poo poo about?  I finally switched to a $280 27" x-star and it's completely loving amazing compared to any TN, I expected this but was still surprised, I guess it'd just been too long since I'd actually had a good monitor of my own. I can't imagine any legitimate reason to have a TN monitor unless you get paid really good money to play counterstrike. My second monitor immediately looked laughably crappy and washed out and just obnoxious to use, a second korean 27" is probably my next purchase unless that crazy wide 1440p LG is released at a decent price any time soon. Straker fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Dec 28, 2013 |
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Anyone here bought the Apple Thunderbolt display as a refurb? They regularly retail for a cool $1k but are available for $800 refurbished. I've bought refurbished Apple products before without any issues, but never something like a display where you can have all sorts of QA issues with the panel. I suppose they would allow a return, but it's a pain in the rear end. This display would replace a HP ZR24W as my primary monitor, which has been a really great unit. I guess I could also look at the ZR2740 or even the ZR30W... Dell is another option, but there are too many horror stories in this thread about QA issues.
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krooj posted:Anyone here bought the Apple Thunderbolt display as a refurb? They regularly retail for a cool $1k but are available for $800 refurbished. I've bought refurbished Apple products before without any issues, but never something like a display where you can have all sorts of QA issues with the panel. I suppose they would allow a return, but it's a pain in the rear end. This display would replace a HP ZR24W as my primary monitor, which has been a really great unit. I guess I could also look at the ZR2740 or even the ZR30W... Dell is another option, but there are too many horror stories in this thread about QA issues. Well, all the other cheap Korean IPS screens are mostly Apple's QA rejects, and most of those have nothing obviously wrong with them, so it seems like a safe bet if Apple accepted it in the first place.
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Hey, folks, if anyone's interested in an Ergotron LX monitor arm, I've got one for sale on SA Mart and I'm flexible on price, as long as I'm not literally sobbing at a terrible offer 
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I had a pre-Thunderbolt 24" Cinema Display refurb for multiple years. Had one stuck pixel, otherwise was great.
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Is there a good overview of how color representation works in monitors? I had a Dell U2410 with amazing color. Nothing compared to it even if they were IPS. I brought it to work one day to compare with the Apple 27" and they are similar. Then I got a korean Crossover 27" and it replicates the 2410 color well as well. Then bought a Dell U2413hm and it did not compare, returned. And most recently bought a Dell S2240t which was also not great, also returned. I used this software http://www.calibrize.com/ to try to tune, but the poor monitors literally cannot get the 2 blacks to look black despite trying nearly every contrast/brightness/rgb gamma configuration. The good monitors can get them perfect with only a bit of backlight brightness adjustment and a tiny bit of gamma changing. They're all supposedly 16m other than the 2410 which is super wide gamut 12bit. The U2413 and S2240t both have more rgb cover (At least according to official specs) than both the Apple 27" and the korean 27". And yet the 27" ones look significantly better. When I say worse, I don't mean I have to look and compare solid blocks of colors using a photoshop colorwheel. I mean even the windows taskbar looks noticeably washed out. The good ones have deep blacks and blues. The bad ones in comparison look like they had gray film covering everything. Something else I noticed which throws a wrench into a lot of theories. 2013 macbook air has colors closer to the 27" and 2410. But it does not have the gamut. Gradients have obvious banding. I feel like I'm doing something wrong. Is there a "good color" button I need to turn on to make the bad monitors look better? MeruFM fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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What you might be seeing on the wider-gamut screens is actually wrongly calibrated color, where sRGB is being spread out over the entire expanded gamut. This makes colors look extra-saturated and, don't get me wrong, really nice. But it's incorrect. sRGB is just not that good. This theory doesn't account for why you find a 13" Macbook Air to look as nice as a U2410, though - that's pretty crazy, because the 13" MBA doesn't even cover the full sRGB gamut. As for blacks not looking black, that's one of the inherent technological limitations of IPS displays. TN, Plasma, PVA/MVA, and OLED all do better blacks.
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The MBA doesn't look as nice. There's lot of dithering when gradients are applied from color to color. But the pure R/G/B (255,0,0 etc) look much closer to the 2410 and 27" monitors. I should have just read the OP more carefully. It does talk about wide gamut and sRGB standard. So sRGB doesn't really look the "best", it just attempts to make everything look the same? Guess I'll stick with the slightly more expensive options. I like the nice colors and don't really do anything color sensitive. (Actually I do, but I'm selfish and it's not commercial usually. At least it's not print.) Edit: I'm still a bit confused. http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-s2240t/pd quote:Color gamut (typical): MeruFM fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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MeruFM posted:This monitor should be wide gamut capable right? I didn't find anything in the options that would turn on "vibrant colors". Factory Factory is very likely correct, especially if you never set the U2410 to sRGB and/or properly calibrated it. I have a U2410 as well, and it does make everything look pretty awesome when I'm puttering around on the internet and games and poo poo. But then if I look at, say, a photo of someone on it, it becomes immediately apparent that the saturation is a bit off on skin tones and whatnot, while the same image looks just fine on the normal-gamut monitor sitting next to it. It's all about what you want to use the monitor for, really.
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Korean monitor and Apple monitor are 72-78% gamut. They don't list in what space. I assume those are also not wide gamut? But then they look a lot closer to the 2410 than the 2413 which you're saying has 120%. The 2413 looks a lot closer to the S2240, very dull. Black (0,0,0) looks more like brown and red is just terrible. Maybe I should just get a hardware calibrator.
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MeruFM posted:Korean monitor and Apple monitor are 72-78% gamut. They don't list in what space. I assume those are also not wide gamut? If the gamut isn't listed, it's usually CIE1976. 70% gamut probably means sRGB. Above that usually means "towards AdobeRGB but not all the way there." I forget AdobeRGB's percentage but it's above 80%. The extra colors usually come in blues and greens.
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Factory Factory posted:If the gamut isn't listed, it's usually CIE1976. 70% gamut probably means sRGB. Above that usually means "towards AdobeRGB but not all the way there." I forget AdobeRGB's percentage but it's above 80%. The extra colors usually come in blues and greens. Yeah don't stress about gamut too much unless you're doing serious image/graphic work. You will want to watch movies etc in sRGB anyway because they're shot and graded for sRGB, so AdobeRGB makes everything look weird.
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Jack the Lad posted:Yeah don't stress about gamut too much unless you're doing serious image/graphic work. And let me say that does not include web design. I do web design and a wide gamut was the worst purchase ever because none of your audience is using a wide gamut monitor.
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I imagine if you're doing web design you may as well use a crappy 1080p TN monitor since that's what everyone reading it will be using 
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Straker posted:I imagine if you're doing web design you may as well use a crappy 1080p TN monitor since that's what everyone reading it will be using Ding ding ding! As a designer you owe it to yourself to have a really crappy monitor as a preview monitor. Nobody will have a calibrated IPS monitor. Find the crappiest monitor/laptop to proof your graphics/sites.
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Haha yeah. When I first got a nice IPS panel I looked at something I worked on for awhile on a lovely laptop screen and was like "WHERE'S ALL THE CONTRAST?!?!".
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jink posted:Ding ding ding! As a designer you owe it to yourself to have a really crappy monitor as a preview monitor. Nobody will have a calibrated IPS monitor. Find the crappiest monitor/laptop to proof your graphics/sites. How will that help? Every crappy monitor is a different type of crappy - it isn't as though there is any consistency there.
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Jan 4, 2014 05:27
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The point is that you should check stuff on a panel that's not wide gamut and make sure it looks ok.
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Just assume everyone is using a 1366x786 screen that polarizes itself at every viewing angle. Because they are. Any non MacBook that's more than 2 years old should do the trick
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dissss posted:How will that help? Every crappy monitor is a different type of crappy - it isn't as though there is any consistency there.
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Straker posted:You can assume poor colors/contrast, excessive brightness, lovely viewing angles etc, even if stuff like backlight bleed is going to be different between every monitor. None of that other stuff is consistent either though which was my point
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dissss posted:None of that other stuff is consistent either though which was my point
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Just got back from checking out monitors at an electronics store. Either the OP is way out of date or it's just different where I am, because 80% of the display models were IPS, 20% were TN and none were that in-between deal. The one that stood out to me the most was the Acer H226HQLbmid, the colors on the thing looked gorgeous for its price point. The reviews on Amazon and such are all glowing, but I couldn't find any professional reviews on reputable sites for it. Can anyone tell me if there's any reason not to get this monitor? The OP seems pretty down on Acer, but it also says that they only sell TN monitors, so who knows. edit: Planning to get a Geforce GTX 760 and play games but I'm not a crazy person about input lag and such. 24" seems massive to me as I've been on laptops for the last 12 years, so I think 21.5 to 23 inch is what I'd be comfortable with. Dell U2312HM seems to be not sold in my region, except on Amazon who is out of stock. In fact, the smallest Ultrasharp monitor Dell is selling on their site is 23.8", which is a hair too big for my tastes. Can someone recommend something comparable if the Acer I mentioned isn't good? The IPS Dells in the right size/price range that I can get here are S2340L and S2240L only. Ara fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jan 5, 2014 |
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The OP's comments about store selection is based on the assumption that you're in the US, where most people are limited to places like Best Buy, maybe Fry's, and a smattering of "oh we also sell some computer poo poo" stores. They all still mostly stock TN's--take pleasure in the superior selection of wherever it is you live. The H226HQLbmid appears to be the international/UK version of the H226HQLbid. NewEgg reviews are generally positive, and it seems to be a more or less average low-priced IPS monitor. Which is to say it'll work fine, but you're not going to get the nice extras that you would with an UltraSharp, like a height-adjustable stand and the like. The OP is generally down on Acer because they're generally a cost (and corner) cutting brand that tends to have QA and longevity issues in the race to the price floor. Doesn't mean no one should ever buy one, but you should at least be aware that you should expect less out of one than out of a HP, Dell, or other upper-end manufacturer. DrDork fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jan 5, 2014 |
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