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Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Talk about food then.

e; aw poo poo, didn't mean to snipe the top of the new page with a one-liner. Uh, okay, so. Thanksgiving/Christmas desserts. The traditional one is always pumpkin pie but given my mother's side of the family's southern heritage it's always been sweet potato for us. Also, and I'm not sure how this got started, but a traditional holiday dessert for us has always been homemade raspberry mousse which is possibly the best dessert ever. Anybody else do anything special?

Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Dec 27, 2013

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100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



Beer is also legit, I think. You guys should drink this. http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/midnight-sun-monks-mistress/22463/

I am not an educated beer person, so I probably can't describe it with competence, but it is dark and tasy. This poo poo is hands down my favorite. It's just got a ton of flavor and thankfully that flavor is not "a hops farm" or whatever.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
I could never get into the Portland beer scene but I'll admit that when I first moved there the Bridgeport Brewery unveiled a blackberry ale that my unrefined palette found criminally delicious.

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



There's a blueberry beer called Wild Blue that is pretty interesting. Tastes nothing like any other beer I've had. I found it too sweet on top the alcohol, but others may enjoy it.

Elector_Nerdlingen
Sep 27, 2004



Everyone vaguely into beers should try an IPA at some point. I like Sleeping Giant.

Also, if you like dark beers and haven't tried a Doppelbock, you're missing out. Monteith's Winter Ale is a good one. Also in the dark beers line, Young's Double Chocolate Stout is unbelievably nice, but drinking more than two is a challenge because it's just so heavy.

e: My mate and me have been loving around with homebrew (beer, not games). I recently made a chocolate ale that was good, as well as more of my ginger beer which seems to be a perpetual hit of the summer. He managed to make some nice regular pale ale, a horrible licorice stout, and a passionfruit beer that was unbelievably weird but still pretty nice.

Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 27, 2013

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



I'm not an IPA person myself, but if I were I'd recommend Dogfish Head's 60-Minute IPA. There's not much to say about it except that it's almost gimmicky in how hoppy it tastes.

I'll second the Young's recommendation. On top of that, I recommend Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. It's easily my favorite stout. It's rich and oaty. If I had to describe the sensation in a word, I'd say "deep."

knux911
Nov 21, 2012

moths posted:

And I wonder if this hesitancy to judge is ultimately detracting from the quality of the end product. Gamers who cared about clean design and appreciated what 4e and Pathfinder got right are self-censoring, having put up with a half-decade of position-of-ignorance smear "criticism," are reluctant to voice anything that could be misconstrued as uninformed "dumb WoW babby" poo poo. They're instead taking their own advice: gracefully moving on to (or sticking with) better games, not engaging, and staying positive.

That pretty much describes me. I got involved in the playtest and tried out the first packet. My players didn't like it at all so I gave feedback on the WoTC forums of how the session went. Everything from; "You're a bad DM!" to "You're not roleplaying enough!" was thrown at me. Burned and terrified, I left to never return. I guess the 3e fans were really happy their edition was being brought back and didn't want anything to get in the way.

I still downloaded packets, read through them and gave feedback in the polls. But I always wondered if my feedback was taken into account since I ticked the box for 4th Edition, when asked what my favourite edition was.

I'll just stick to playing 4e and my players are pretty happy with that. I'm buying up plenty of books and should have enough campaign material to go for years. I'll hopefully be able to write my own stuff by then.

For all the broken 3e people stories I read here, I never thought I would experience them until I picked up a player who first experienced D&D via 3e. She would describe these scenarios that were just like what I read here. Thus I'm quite worried how Next will turn out.

Elector_Nerdlingen
Sep 27, 2004



Evil Sagan posted:

I'm not an IPA person myself, but if I were I'd recommend Dogfish Head's 60-Minute IPA. There's not much to say about it except that it's almost gimmicky in how hoppy it tastes.

I'll second the Young's recommendation. On top of that, I recommend Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. It's easily my favorite stout. It's rich and oaty. If I had to describe the sensation in a word, I'd say "deep."

Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is awesome. I've never seen Dogfish Head here, but I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm not generally a fan of super-hoppy beers, but I guess maybe I've never had a good one. I went to the White Rabbit Brewery a year ago, and although I like their bottled stuff the stuff they had on tap was so incredibly hoppy that I couldn't drink it. My friend agreed. There were 40 people in there drinking it with every sign of enjoyment though, so gently caress knows. We ended up in a tiny local brewery in a tin shed nearby, which I thought had much better beer but it only had 2 people in it.

Anyone tried Little Creatures Pale Ale? I'm not a big pale ale fan (when it's not IPA), but that one's pretty nice.

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Evil Sagan posted:

Guess there's nothing more to say about Next then. This thread is done. :shrug:

NEXT still serves that perfect niche of 'oh poo poo someone forgot to bring a copy of Descent over'.

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine
I can't drink beer because of my 'beetus, so I tend to drink harder liquors. What's everybody's whiskey/rum/vodka/tequila of choice?

Dr. Lunchables
Dec 27, 2012

IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD



Jameson on the rocks, Glenlivet for scotch purposes. A couple local distilleries have opened in the past few years, and I've had good experiences with local ryes and whiskey blends. Grand Traverse, in particular, makes a tasty Rye, though it's got sharp edges on it.

If you have to mix anything with your whiskey, try looking for a local soda companies' ginger ale.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
I like rum drinks but I've yet to find a good straight sippin' rum I enjoy. A friend once brought a bottle of coconut rum back from a trip to Jamaica and daaaamn that was good, the smoothest thing I'd ever had. I can't remember the label sadly.

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



Talisker forever
Talisker always

Old Kentucky Shark
May 25, 2012

If you think you're gonna get sympathy from the shark, well then, you won't.


Kai Tave posted:

I like rum drinks but I've yet to find a good straight sippin' rum I enjoy. A friend once brought a bottle of coconut rum back from a trip to Jamaica and daaaamn that was good, the smoothest thing I'd ever had. I can't remember the label sadly.

Mount Gay rum is very good straight, or with soda.

Dedman Walkin
Dec 20, 2006



Last Saturday I was at a liquor store trying to pick up a bottle of applejack for a family Christmas party. They were all out, so I decided to try out something that caught my eye - Sugar Island coconut rum. That was indeed smooth, I could drink it straight or make a nice drink with orange/pineapple juice. I'd probably pick up another bottle if I wanted something to sip straight.

Down With People
Oct 31, 2012

The child delights in violence.

AlphaDog posted:

Anyone tried Little Creatures Pale Ale? I'm not a big pale ale fan (when it's not IPA), but that one's pretty nice.

Little Creatures is a pretty good beer. I drink a lot of James Squire's too, especially the One-Fifty Lashes.

But I'll drink pretty much every beer.

P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...
So here's a question, what is the basis/origin of the 6 ability scores?

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT

Mr. Maltose posted:

I can't drink beer because of my 'beetus, so I tend to drink harder liquors. What's everybody's whiskey/rum/vodka/tequila of choice?

Sup beetus bro, ciders (as previously mentioned in here) can work for ya.

As for hard stuff, I tend toward Rum, Sailor Jerry's is cheap, but not bad, totally recommended for mixing, and I even just sip on it, but not everyone will dig that.

My wife is from Kentucky, and she got me drinking Bourbon, no idea what a good one is, I pretty much drink what she gets.

In general I drink mixed stuff though. I need to try that Amber Diceless drink from earlier.

ProfessorCirno
Feb 17, 2011

The strongest! The smartest!
The rightest!

Kai Tave posted:

I like rum drinks but I've yet to find a good straight sippin' rum I enjoy. A friend once brought a bottle of coconut rum back from a trip to Jamaica and daaaamn that was good, the smoothest thing I'd ever had. I can't remember the label sadly.

Kraken is my rum of choice.


As far as beers go, I like mine either blonde and Belgium, or cheap, cold, and me not giving a gently caress.

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine
Kraken is good rum but if you can get it Cruzan Black Strap is a similar taste profile but better for drinking straight. For bourbon I've had Buffalo Trace recommended to me, but not much else. Sailor Jerry is a good cheap rum as well. (It's one of those odd life rules that the higher the rank the shittier the rum.)

Ciders rule, Woodchuck and Angry Orchard are my go to bottles these days.

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT
Yeah, I was down on ciders in general because I hated Hornsby's and anything else I had was a hornsby-alike taste wise.

Then I had some Angry Orchard, and I have to say that while there are some I like better than others, I have never had an Angry Orchard cider that was anything other than tasty as gently caress.

Old Kentucky Shark
May 25, 2012

If you think you're gonna get sympathy from the shark, well then, you won't.


Error 404 posted:

My wife is from Kentucky, and she got me drinking Bourbon, no idea what a good one is, I pretty much drink what she gets.

Buffalo Trace is fine (I almost got a job there, several years back), Knob Creek is better. I really like Bulleit Bourbon, especially Bulleit Rye, which is maybe the best rye whiskey in the world. Four Roses Single Barrel is fantastic. Evan Williams Single Barrel is not the best bourbon, but it is a $25 dollar bourbon that tastes like a $50 bourbon, which makes it my go to whiskey.

Rosalind
Apr 30, 2013

When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change.

P.d0t posted:

So here's a question, what is the basis/origin of the 6 ability scores?

They have always existed and they are sacred and you shall never, ever question them. But really, I believe the 6 ability scores were first present in the original version of D&D if Wikipedia is serving my correctly. I've heard that Gygax also toyed with the idea of a 7th score which represented physical attractiveness, although this might be more of a reference to how female characters were supposed to replace "Charisma" with "Beauty" according to an early Dragon article.

I don't think there's really any good reason for there to be 6 and not 5,or 10, or 3. I'm assuming it's just what Gygax thought was the right amount for his game. Of course now Gygax is deified so every design decision he made was correct, and if you take away this then it's not D&D.

Can we also talk about how insane Gygax-worshippers are since they're part of the reason that Next is so messed up? I have friends who literally have framed posters of Gygax in their apartments. I don't understand it and it sort of freaks me out.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

Buffalo Trace is fine (I almost got a job there, several years back), Knob Creek is better. I really like Bulleit Bourbon, especially Bulleit Rye, which is maybe the best rye whiskey in the world. Four Roses Single Barrel is fantastic. Evan Williams Single Barrel is not the best bourbon, but it is a $25 dollar bourbon that tastes like a $50 bourbon, which makes it my go to whiskey.

I can second the recommendation for Knob Creek which is quite good. I haven't had Evan Williams before so I guess I ought to give that a shot now that I'm back in a state where you can buy liquor at the grocery store without incident.

P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...
I guess a better way to frame what I'm really asking:

Is there some fiction that the 6 scores are derived from? Like, I sorta get how vancian casting is based on intelligence. Sort of. are the rest just pulled out of Gygax' rear end? Did Tolkien or Howard reference them beyond naming dudes "Soandso the Wise"?

Rulebook Heavily
Sep 18, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Rosalind posted:

They have always existed and they are sacred and you shall never, ever question them. But really, I believe the 6 ability scores were first present in the original version of D&D if Wikipedia is serving my correctly. I've heard that Gygax also toyed with the idea of a 7th score which represented physical attractiveness, although this might be more of a reference to how female characters were supposed to replace "Charisma" with "Beauty" according to an early Dragon article.

There was a seventh for a while, it was called "comeliness". It was presented for AD&D 1e in Unearthed Arcana, and has been a prime way to recognize people you shouldn't be playing with ever since. (To clarify, that dragon article also existed.)

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
I'm pretty sure they were just made up. If Gygax pulled them from somewhere I'm sure it would be a story told and retold many times over by now and I've never once heard anyone mention "oh yeah, in suchandsuch fantasy novel they mentioned the Six Adventuresome Virtues" or something.

EscortMission
Mar 4, 2009

Come with me
if you want to live.
I'm kind of just getting started with the non-trashy beer thing. Are there any really must-try Belgian Whites or should I just start getting really acquainted with who sells Blue Moon around here?

Rosalind posted:

Can we also talk about how insane Gygax-worshippers are since they're part of the reason that Next is so messed up? I have friends who literally have framed posters of Gygax in their apartments. I don't understand it and it sort of freaks me out.

When I talk with 3e players who idolize Gary Gygax and hold it up as a platonic ideal of Gygaxian design wisdom, I have a really hard time holding my tongue about how deeply he hated it. There's no point in starting useless fights but sometimes you just want to lay down the :goonsay: so badly.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Rosalind posted:

They have always existed and they are sacred and you shall never, ever question them. But really, I believe the 6 ability scores were first present in the original version of D&D if Wikipedia is serving my correctly. I've heard that Gygax also toyed with the idea of a 7th score which represented physical attractiveness, although this might be more of a reference to how female characters were supposed to replace "Charisma" with "Beauty" according to an early Dragon article.

I don't think there's really any good reason for there to be 6 and not 5,or 10, or 3. I'm assuming it's just what Gygax thought was the right amount for his game. Of course now Gygax is deified so every design decision he made was correct, and if you take away this then it's not D&D.

Can we also talk about how insane Gygax-worshippers are since they're part of the reason that Next is so messed up? I have friends who literally have framed posters of Gygax in their apartments. I don't understand it and it sort of freaks me out.

The game I work on right now that is essentially a 3e-4e hybrid heartbreaker is down to four:

Might (Strength + Constitution)
Agility (Dexterity)
Wit (Intelligence + Wisdom)
Charisma (Still Charisma)

It's amazing how much better the game gets when there's fewer ability scores.

OtspIII
Sep 22, 2002

P.d0t posted:

So here's a question, what is the basis/origin of the 6 ability scores?

There's a recovered copy of a player's character sheet from the original Blackmoor game that shows a sort of weird half-AS set of traits called 'Personality'.

Brains
Looks
Credibility
Sex
Health
Strength
Courage


These were also paired with a couple of stats that look kind of like skills but aren't really clearly differentiated from the personality stuff.

Horsemanship
Woodsmanship
Leadership
Flying
Seamanship
Cunning


Each of these had a rating of somewhere between 3 and 14 (although the 14s looked like they had to be raised that high and had started no higher than 11). I can only assume that it was a on-the-spot idea for handling differences between characters that Gygax then actually sat down and tried to think of how to make less messy.

P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

The game I work on right now that is essentially a 3e-4e hybrid heartbreaker is down to four:

Might (Strength + Constitution)
Agility (Dexterity)
Wit (Intelligence + Wisdom)
Charisma (Still Charisma)

It's amazing how much better the game gets when there's fewer ability scores.

I'm going with:

STR aka Body (Strength, active Dexterity, passive Charisma)
INT aka Mind (Intelligence, Wisdom)
CHA aka Spirit (passive Dexterity, active Charisma)

HP and speed are based off your highest stat; attack bonus uses your middle stat; lowest stat is basically your action point/in-combat healing pool

Probably if we wanna chat about this and/or trade notes we should pick another thread, though.

ProfessorCirno
Feb 17, 2011

The strongest! The smartest!
The rightest!
When is was making my heartbreaker a year ago in that summer's contest, I stuck with the main six, but paired them off to one physical, one non-physical. Like:

Strength <-> Charisma: Both represent your ability to exert external force on others - be it other people or other objects.
Dexterity <-> Intelligence: Both make up your "agility" so to speak, your general wittiness and adaptability
Constitution <-> Wisdom: Sort of the opposite of strength, this is how you AVOID others exerting force onto you.

The charismatic man tells the lie, the intelligent man thinks up the lie, the wise man knows that it IS a lie.
A woman with high strength smashes through or moves the boulder, a woman with high dexterity avoids it completely, a woman with high constitution ignores it and just keeps going.

Note that the key point of my heartbreaker was very explicitly "stats do not equate to combat effectiveness," which is quite frankly where I think D&D falls apart. You kill that, you kill a lot of problems.

P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...
Yeah, I'm trying to keep stats relevant to combat; basically you can have 2 good defences or 1 good one plus good damage. It sort of pigeon-holes your out-of-combat effectiveness but, oh hey that resembles 4e.
So then I also came up with an alternative where you can use points instead of ability scores for your skills. If you mix in both (like 3.5) that way lies madness.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

Binary killing machines, turning 1 into 0 since 0011000100111001 0011011100110110

P.d0t posted:

It sort of pigeon-holes your out-of-combat effectiveness but, oh hey that resembles 4e.

Separate social skills entirely from combat stats :getin:

Also in terms of beers, if you can find Founders Breakfast Stout or Dirty Bastard, they're both fantastic. DB is a more hoppy beer, but my light beer friends enjoyed Breakfast Stout!

Seconding anything Dogfish Head.

Dr. Lunchables
Dec 27, 2012

IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD



Woo! Diabetes party!

I'd recommend buffalo trace for a good Kentucky bourbon, though I'm less versed in bourbon than whiskeys.

As far as beer goes, in the spring/summer magic hat makes an elderberry Weiss called elderbetty that is delicious, though a little on the sweet side.

Accursed
Oct 10, 2002

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

Buffalo Trace is fine (I almost got a job there, several years back), Knob Creek is better. I really like Bulleit Bourbon, especially Bulleit Rye, which is maybe the best rye whiskey in the world. Four Roses Single Barrel is fantastic. Evan Williams Single Barrel is not the best bourbon, but it is a $25 dollar bourbon that tastes like a $50 bourbon, which makes it my go to whiskey.

I think the best rye whiskey is probably Templeton.

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

Buffalo Trace is fine (I almost got a job there, several years back), Knob Creek is better. I really like Bulleit Bourbon, especially Bulleit Rye, which is maybe the best rye whiskey in the world. Four Roses Single Barrel is fantastic. Evan Williams Single Barrel is not the best bourbon, but it is a $25 dollar bourbon that tastes like a $50 bourbon, which makes it my go to whiskey.

Everything written in this post is correct, particularly the bit about Bulleit.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I first picked up Evan Williams to mix with cola (based on price) and wound up sipping it straight instead. It was an excellent surprise!

I still miss George Dickel though.

FIGHTING-MAN
Sep 24, 2012

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

The game I work on right now that is essentially a 3e-4e hybrid heartbreaker is down to four:

Might (Strength + Constitution)
Agility (Dexterity)
Wit (Intelligence + Wisdom)
Charisma (Still Charisma)

It's amazing how much better the game gets when there's fewer ability scores.

I really kind of dig this.

Also, beer-related: over the holiday, a buddy shared a St. Arnold's Bishops Barrel and man, I'm not even a bourbon fan but that stuff was amazing! It's brewed in bourbon barrels and apparently crazy hard to get. If you ever have a chance, try it.
I'll also third or fourth Dogfish Head.

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Monster w21 Faces
May 11, 2006

"What the fuck is that?"
"What the fuck is this?!"
I assume everyone is familiar with the Wychwood Brewery?

http://www.wychwood.co.uk/hobgoblin/beers

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