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Xen Tricks posted:I understand fully how they work, I know how circuits make sound, but I don't understand how you can't replicate/improve that with effects. It's like saying "Yeah I modified the oscillator and amp circuit to make sounds you can't possibly replicate" when you could just throw something in front of it in the circuit line and do the same. If you'd like to explain how your electrical magic works i'm sure we'd all be interested. No it's cool, I'll help you out then I'm done: You cannot put a pedal in front of a guitar that, say, adds or quarters the resistance (gain/distortion) of a dual-coil pickup. You can try, but it won't act the same on every pickup, as all the coils have discrete resistances. With me so far? So you can wire a series/parallel switch in somewhere that does that for you. This give you full series gain, like a Gibson Les Paul, and 1/4 gain, like a Fender Stratocaster, all in one guitar, in one pickup. But when you fiddle with that, you can lose treble when you roll off the volume pot, so you need a capacitor to act as a high-pass filter to roll the lows off to ground. This keeps the pickup bright, not muddy, as you roll off the volume and thereby back off the gain/distortion, giving you a bright clean tone without channel-switching your amplifier. But each pickup is different, so you need a capacitor that rolls off the lows at just the right frequencies to work with your particular amplifiers. Each pickup/amp combination requires different capacitors and resistors. It's a painstaking process but it's cheap. Every one of my dual-coil pickups, with a few exceptions, have this mod performed for my gear, by me. There does not exist a pedal that can replicate this fundamental interplay between the amp and the guitar. No volume pedal, no gain pedal, nothing. My acoustics that you just mocked? One is a run-of-the-mill Breedlove acoustic which sounds amazing. The other is a 1938 Martin Orchestra Model that my Dad's Dad bought from Mel Bay in St. Louis MO back in 1938. It's an honest-to-God Depression Era Martin. The one they eventually called the 0000, or dreadnaught. I wonder if you can appreciate what that means. All of the other instruments have different body woods, pickups, neck woods, finishes, and a couple have hard-tail bridges (my preference). With the mods described above, they each have their own voices. They have their own attack, sustain, decay, and timbre. They each react to my amps in their own, distinctive ways. They look similar, but to a trained ear they are vastly different, and in trained hands they speak differently. It's not voodoo or audiophile nonsense, it's distinct and it's real and anyone who tried could discern the differences. And to me, they are all beautiful. That's my last post. Thank you and goodnight. Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Dec 28, 2013 |
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drunk asian neighbor posted:shut up man it's working But it's funnnyyyyy and ok content I think the most horrible guitars are the ones that look like they're absolutely unplayable/unholdable Half of the "hardcore metal" guitars I see just look like they're designed to injure the user
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i hate to agree with the doctor but different guitars do have different sounds even if you use all digital equipment. i have a strat and a les paul and they sound completely different when running on the exact same equipment
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VarXX posted:i hate to agree with the doctor but different guitars do have different sounds even if you use all digital equipment. i have a strat and a les paul and they sound completely different when running on the exact same equipment No stop don't bring this poo poo up again post ugly guitars
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drunk asian neighbor posted:No stop don't bring this poo poo up again im gonna just you fuckin watch
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VarXX posted:im gonna just you fuckin watch http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3598162 there are you loving happy now (I legitimately hope you are )
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VarXX posted:i hate to agree with the doctor but different guitars do have different sounds even if you use all digital equipment. i have a strat and a les paul and they sound completely different when running on the exact same equipment yeah but as a total opposite point its heavily subjective from a listener's standpoint so claiming you're going to get a certain quality of tone out of x amount of dollars is just silly, basically audiophile level discussion unique tone is cool but claiming to have superior knowledge of something that's fairly subjective just makes you seem like a dick also on sale now!
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VarXX posted:i hate to agree with the doctor but different guitars do have different sounds even if you use all digital equipment. i have a strat and a les paul and they sound completely different when running on the exact same equipment no one was ever arguing this point, they were arguing about how he has several of the same kind of guitar. unless you're like in a touring band who has songs in a bunch of different tunes, there's no good reason for this. having several different kinds of guitars is understandable.
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Cannot Find Server posted:no one was ever arguing this point, they were arguing about how he has several of the same kind of guitar. unless you're like in a touring band who has songs in a bunch of different tunes, there's no good reason for this. having several different kinds of guitars is understandable. Take this to the guitar argument thread this is the guitar picture thread I won this guitar in a raffle in high school and used it to play a bunch of punk covers at a couple of shows I thought I was all subversive and poo poo
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I didn't want this to get lost because I effort-posted really hard, guys, so here it is one last time and I'm done.Xen Tricks posted:I understand fully how they work, I know how circuits make sound, but I don't understand how you can't replicate/improve that with effects. It's like saying "Yeah I modified the oscillator and amp circuit to make sounds you can't possibly replicate" when you could just throw something in front of it in the circuit line and do the same. If you'd like to explain how your electrical magic works i'm sure we'd all be interested. No it's cool, I'll help you out then I'm done: You cannot put a pedal in front of a guitar that, say, adds or quarters the resistance (gain/distortion) of a dual-coil pickup. You can try, but it won't act the same on every pickup, as all the coils have discrete resistances. With me so far? So you can wire a series/parallel switch in somewhere that does that for you. This gives you full series gain, like a Gibson Les Paul, or 1/4 gain in parallel, like a Fender Stratocaster, all in one guitar, in one pickup. But when you fiddle with that, you can lose treble when you roll off the volume pot, so you need a capacitor to act as a high-pass filter to roll the lows off to ground. This keeps the pickup bright, not muddy, as you roll off the volume and thereby back off the gain/distortion, giving you a bright clean tone without channel-switching your amplifier. But each pickup is different, so you need a capacitor that rolls off the lows at just the right frequencies to work with your particular amplifiers. Each pickup/amp combination requires different capacitors and resistors. It's a painstaking process but it's cheap. Every one of my dual-coil pickups, with a few exceptions, has this mod performed for my gear, by me. There simply does not exist a pedal that can replicate this fundamental interplay between the amp and the guitar. No volume pedal, no gain pedal, nothing will do the same job. My acoustics that you just mocked as "first-act?" One is a run-of-the-mill Breedlove acoustic which sounds amazing. The other is a 1938 Martin Orchestra Model that my Dad's Dad bought from Mel Bay (THAT Mel Bay) in St. Louis, MO, back in 1938. It's an honest-to-God Depression Era Martin. The one they eventually called the 0000, or dreadnaught. I wonder if you can appreciate what that means. All of the other instruments have different body woods, pickups, neck woods, finishes, and a couple have hard-tail bridges (my preference). With the mods described above, they each have their own voices. They have their own attack, sustain, decay, and timbre. They each react to my amps in their own, distinctive ways. They look similar, but to a trained ear they are vastly different, and in trained hands they speak differently. It's not voodoo or audiophile nonsense, it's distinct and it's real and anyone who tried could discern the differences. And to me, they are all beautiful. That's my last post. Thank you and goodnight.
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Dewgy posted:
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friend of the family death
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Xen Tricks posted:That is legit awesome and I would play that in any style of band rondomusic has 'em cheap and i know the feeling, i might pick one up they have dogs and ladybugs too
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Dr. Faustus posted:I didn't want this to get lost because I effort-posted really hard, guys, so here it is one last time and I'm done. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3597233&pagenumber=15#lastpost Go nuts you loving psychopath. An echo chamber just for you.
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Henry Rollins would break your spine and tell you to stop posting stupid pointless threads.
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Dr. Faustus posted:That's my last post.
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skander posted:Liar
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Dr. Faustus posted:Henry Rollins would break your spine and tell you to stop posting stupid pointless threads. Yes but he could probably do it just as well and a lot cheaper by using DFX
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Shut up nerds
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skander posted:Liar
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Dewgy posted:
Link please. I want one.
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Backweb posted:Link please. I want one. http://www.rondomusic.com/product6392.html sixty bucks, slightly discolored
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that was a fantastic slap fight to wake up to good work everyone
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I think Dr. Faustus is losing his mind since we started making fun of his ugly guitar. Without the handle hole, I don't think it would be that ugly.
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Dewgy posted:http://www.rondomusic.com/product6392.html I like the lobotomized narrator. "This is what it sounds like!" brrrang
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The Tao Jones posted:I like the lobotomized narrator. "This is what it sounds like!" brrrang the same guy posts reviews for all kinds of poo poo on rondo and he's this weird old fat guy so i was extremely sad to see him not take one of these up for himself
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Okay, I just gotta say a few things about Steve Vai because I think its really important that people reading this thread know what I think here goes...
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I apologise if any of these have already been posted:
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this beauty on sale on ebay RIGHT NOW http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121236170753
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lol $1749 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121242417541
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Fair Hallion posted:this beauty on sale on ebay RIGHT NOW it's like someone attached a righty headstock to a lefty explorer and then took a few bites out of it
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oh finally there's some ugly rear end guitars on this page they are all obsolete regardless
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Fair Hallion posted:lol $1749 oh look, how darling, the bigsby arm and the pickup look like a little tin man giving me a nazi salute
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if you use tabs you should probably kill yourself
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hey doc don't listen to these haters we guitar aficionados gotta stick together here's a cool thing you should skip some meals for btw http://tonerite.com/
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Dr. Faustus posted:You think I didn't know this, despite my guitar collection showing up on pages one and two. lol well done this sounds like literally millions of other guitarists noodling away in their parents basement thinking "yeah playing guitar gets you chiiiiicks"
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faustus theres nothing wrong with liking guitars. just be more chill about it. hth
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Dr. Faustus posted:voodoo [...] audiophile nonsense protip most tours have a guy sitting backstage with protools and an amp modeler on a macbook pro and all the 4x12 marshall cabinets are completely empty
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