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SedanChair posted:People that disingenuous should be sterilized. What are you talking about? How is she going to fit 34 MILLION COMBINATIONS onto a menu board? That's impossible. Stop defending Obama lieberal.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:What are you talking about? How is she going to fit 34 MILLION COMBINATIONS onto a menu board? That's impossible. Stop defending Obama lieberal. There are N! ways to make a pizza, because not only are there many toppings but they can go on in any order. Obama says she has to list the nutrition information of a cheese, pepperoni, and sausage pizza alongside that of a cheese, sausage, and pepperoni pizza all as part of his plan to destroy the free pizza market and make us wait in line for government pizza.
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Dec 28, 2013 22:53
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mr. mephistopheles posted:What are you talking about? How is she going to fit 34 MILLION COMBINATIONS onto a menu board? That's impossible. Stop defending Obama lieberal. I wish she was stupid instead of just dishonest because I would honestly visit a Domino's with a 34-million-item menu on the wall. It'd be like the Vietnam Memorial of pizza choices.
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Dec 28, 2013 23:39
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In what universe is she going to have to pay $5K for a menu board? Is it full of TVs or something?
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Dec 28, 2013 23:42
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FlamingLiberal posted:In what universe is she going to have to pay $5K for a menu board? Is it full of TVs or something? She'll find a way to pay that much just to stick it to...uh..Obama I guess.
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Dec 28, 2013 23:47
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FlamingLiberal posted:In what universe is she going to have to pay $5K for a menu board? Is it full of TVs or something? Domino's, like most franchises, require you to purchase all signage and anything with a logo from the corporation. At heavily inflated prices. When I worked at one, we used to browse the store catalog for fun, trying to guess what insane price they were charging for simple things.
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Dec 28, 2013 23:52
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FlamingLiberal posted:In what universe is she going to have to pay $5K for a menu board? Is it full of TVs or something? I assume -- having worked in retail and fast food -- as a franchisee, the new signs would be something corporate would provide. Or I'm guessing it could be written off as a business expense. I've been to a lot of places in California that just affixed stickers or labels to existing signage because their menus were created before they had to list calories. She's being disingenuous, but it's also possible that she doesn't know a damned thing about running 60 restaurants since she's only doing the job to "preserve her husband's legacy" or whatever. EDIT: duz posted:Domino's, like most franchises, require you to purchase all signage and anything with a logo from the corporation. At heavily inflated prices. Haha, whoops, turns out the problem is Capitalism.
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This is the same reason why you see fewer and fewer Quiznos. HQ priced themselves out of their own market.
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Dec 29, 2013 00:00
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:This is the same reason why you see fewer and fewer Quiznos. HQ priced themselves out of their own market. Er, no, Quizno's is actually growing again quite well. They had a peak of 3100 stores in 2006, shuttered a lot of stores during the recession because most of them had been operating on razor thin margins (hence why they dropped to about 1000 stores temporarily), and are now back up to 2900 stores or so. They're also back to being the second largest sandwich chain after Subway. Back in the early 2000s they were reputedly the franchising business where the most franchisees failed in a year or two after launch, it was something like 25% of them would close in that time period.
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Dec 29, 2013 00:08
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Every time I think of Quiznos, I'll always remember that brief period where they used the "We Like the Moon" monkeys in their TV commercial.
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Dec 29, 2013 00:27
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They haven't come back in Central Florida. We used to have a bunch, but in the last couple of years they all went under.
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Dec 29, 2013 00:43
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Install Windows posted:
Which is what I was referring to. Good for them for figuring out you can't strangle your franchisees.
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Dec 29, 2013 02:04
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FlamingLiberal posted:They haven't come back in Central Florida. We used to have a bunch, but in the last couple of years they all went under. I personally witnessed the opening and closing of one Quiznos in Avalon Park. Took less than a year.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They haven't come back in Central Florida. We used to have a bunch, but in the last couple of years they all went under. God knows there's a Subway about every 100 feet along any major road, though, so I'm not sure exactly how that wound up happening.
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Dec 29, 2013 03:06
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prussian advisor posted:God knows there's a Subway about every 100 feet along any major road, though, so I'm not sure exactly how that wound up happening. IIRC, Subway has the cheapest franchisee fees for a nation-wide chain. Its much easier to get the loan to start one than say, a McDonalds or Burger King, where you need to already be a millionaire to start one.
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Dec 29, 2013 03:33
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GoutPatrol posted:IIRC, Subway has the cheapest franchisee fees for a nation-wide chain. Its much easier to get the loan to start one than say, a McDonalds or Burger King, where you need to already be a millionaire to start one. Yep, it costs like $50k for a Subway franchise versus ~$1 million for a McDonald's license.
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Dec 29, 2013 03:36
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computer parts posted:Yep, it costs like $50k for a Subway franchise versus ~$1 million for a McDonald's license. Small size and low staff requirements along with Subways popularity make it a real good choice for small business people, a large amount of the immigrants I talk to who want to start a business talk about starting with a Subway.
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Dec 29, 2013 03:43
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I read recently that Quiznos lost a lot of business when they switched from putting the veggies on before toasting to after toasting because it confused their regular customers and the post-toasting dudes hosed up a lot of the orders.
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Dec 29, 2013 04:14
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:This is the same reason why you see fewer and fewer Quiznos. HQ priced themselves out of their own market. I thought it was because they're not very good, especially for what they charge.
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comes along bort posted:I thought it was because they're not very good, especially for what they charge. That is their true main problem, yes. Additionally, wow, Subway has 6000 more global restaurants than McDonald's itself.
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comes along bort posted:I thought it was because they're not very good, especially for what they charge. Quizno's isn't bad, but for $5 you can get more food, fresher produce, and a larger variety of sauces. The whole "grilled sandwiches" thing they've got just makes the food cost more and they still use cheap cuts of meats so the extra $2-3 a sandwich isn't worth it when a Subway is almost always closer plus the ones that are open 24 hours.
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Dec 29, 2013 04:50
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Install Windows posted:That is their true main problem, yes. In Toronto Subways are like what Starbucks used to be like. I've seen three Subways on the same block.
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Dec 29, 2013 05:01
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Subway is also huge in China. The big fast food franchises there from a visit a few years ago were McD's, KFC and Subway.
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Dec 29, 2013 05:04
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Joementum posted:I read recently that Quiznos lost a lot of business when they switched from putting the veggies on before toasting to after toasting because it confused their regular customers and the post-toasting dudes hosed up a lot of the orders. Who the hell wants toasted lettuce?
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Dec 29, 2013 05:47
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Who the hell wants toasted lettuce? Well obviously if they're even setting foot in a Quiznos they lost their sense of taste in a tragic industrial accident.
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Dec 29, 2013 06:13
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Subway is popular as a franchise because it has a very low cost to franchise it. Like 75000 or something like that. That's pretty much the whole reason.
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Dec 29, 2013 06:37
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Install Windows posted:Back in the early 2000s they were reputedly the franchising business where the most franchisees failed in a year or two after launch, it was something like 25% of them would close in that time period. Who cares? Corporate is making bank off of other peoples' failures. It's the franchise owner's fault if the franchise fails so you know what? gently caress 'em. If they can't afford a Quiznos sign at 500% of cost they don't deserve to wear a Quiznos shirt!
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Who cares? Corporate is making bank off of other peoples' failures. It's the franchise owner's fault if the franchise fails so you know what? gently caress 'em. If they can't afford a Quiznos sign at 500% of cost they don't deserve to wear a Quiznos shirt! Well, no, when that was happening Quizno's corporate was actually doing awful. Don't be so drat naive and assume that just because they're a corporation they were successful at the time. They ended up nearly a billion dollars in debt on a chain with revenues of about $200 million a year back in 2008.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Who the hell wants toasted lettuce? Who chooses lettuce when spinach is sitting right there? Like they serve the same purpose but one actually has a taste and nutrition and one is just water and nasty. Yet for some reason people still go for lettuce.
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limeincoke posted:Who chooses lettuce when spinach is sitting right there? Like they serve the same purpose but one actually has a taste and nutrition and one is just water and nasty. Yet for some reason people still go for lettuce. Spinach is that poo poo in a can that tastes like rusty dicks. Doesn't even give you roid rage like in the cartoons. loving bullshit.
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There were two Subways in Dar es Salaam and no other American restaurant chains. They did have Steers, a South African burger chain though.
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I like Quiznos; to learn the banal details of its greedy overlords suffocating it is real depressing.
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socialsecurity posted:Small size and low staff requirements along with Subways popularity make it a real good choice for small business people, a large amount of the immigrants I talk to who want to start a business talk about starting with a Subway. Worked at a Subway right after working at a McDonalds, and it is night and day difference in terms of both how much franchise stuff there is, and the capital it took to run one. McDonalds took a huge amount of specialized equipment and had branding on everything. McDonalds was crazy about branding to the point that of having branded floor cleaners and de-greaser. Subway was just the franchise oven and frozen bread, and then a ton of generic deli meat and veggies. IIRC, the BMT was the only pre-package branded ingredient. Not only would I'd rather own a Subway than a McDonalds, Subway is the only one I still eat at after having worked at both.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Not only would I'd rather own a Subway than a McDonalds, Subway is the only one I still eat at after having worked at both. From a guy I know who owns a bunch of McDonald's franchises, they are basically a license to print money, so they can get away with it. McDonalds is pretty good about making sure franchisees don't compete against each other which is way different than subway or quiznos, who will let you open a Franchise across the street from another.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Worked at a Subway right after working at a McDonalds, and it is night and day difference in terms of both how much franchise stuff there is, and the capital it took to run one. Sandwich shop talk ITT. But honestly, I can't think of a single major franchise chain besides Blimpies and Wawa that serve sub sandwiches with any level of quality. Every city or major suburban area has places that are known for fantastic offerings, but it's never been a chain business. Sub sandwiches are/were mostly a local business thing and never became a major franchise for anyone other then Subway. Providing fresh bread, deli meats, and vegetables was borderline witchcraft in the early 90s, and once Jared showed up Subway was given a free pass to leapfrog all other fast food convenience places with their healthy eating reputation. That, in addition to the corporate management having much better long term plans and not trying to squeeze every cent out of a franchise license means that rather then eating frozen then cooked meat patties people can get fresh food for similar prices and eat much healthy food overall. I'm pretty biased, I've started eating Subway way more with their new garlic bread which tastes amazing, but $5 for a footlong loaded with ham/cold cuts and every veggie they have plus sauces and cheese is probably the cheapest, freshest meal you can find. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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There is nobody on this planet that would describe the amount of meat on a subway sandwich as "loaded". Subway is okay, but seriously if you live somewhere that wawa exists you have no loving excuse to eat at Subway. Wawa is amazing.
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I think all the cold cuts on a cold cut combo, that is to say bologna (beef), ham (pork), and salami (pork) are actually all turkey products. I make my own italian subs, now. And yeah, Subway is miserly.
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pentyne posted:I'm pretty biased, I've started eating Subway way more with their new garlic bread which tastes amazing, but $5 for a footlong loaded with ham/cold cuts and every veggie they have plus sauces and cheese is probably the cheapest, freshest meal you can find. Having spent some time on the road, that is very much true. Plus, you can save half for a meal later! It's not "good" but it works! And that's all I really ask out of fast food.
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pentyne posted:But honestly, I can't think of a single major franchise chain besides Blimpies and Wawa that serve sub sandwiches with any level of quality. Every city or major suburban area has places that are known for fantastic offerings, but it's never been a chain business. Sub sandwiches are/were mostly a local business thing and never became a major franchise for anyone other then Subway. Togo's is pretty incredible, but they might be local to California. I'm not certain.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Togo's is pretty incredible, but they might be local to California. I'm not certain. It is. The thing is every urban major region has a local chain of great sub shops and a few individual shops that are highly regarded, but it's never taken off in the same way that McD, BK, Taco Bell, or Wendy's has. As far as fresh food prep goes, Five Guys and Chipotle are the next best thing for nationwide chains but they still don't invoke the fresh/healthy image of Subway. To tie this back into political chat, things like promoting fresh foods, greens, and vegetables for some reason are considered liberal b.s and decried by most conservative mouthpieces. I'm amazed that demonizing people for exploring food options besides frozen and canned goods can be made a GOP talking point. For less then $10 you can make a family dinner from fresh vegetables, chicken, and rice if you don't live in a food desert. Yet you talk about serving kids arugula with garnishes and Fox News jumps down your throat for being a liberal commie hippie trying to poison America's kids.
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