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Atticus Finch posted:It looks like there's a chance Clowney would fall to Oakland.
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When was the last time there was a 7-9 team that was #4 in its division AND got the #2 overall pick? (Never)
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Hockles posted:No change in Strength of Schedule based on PHI/DAL ? Not with 2+ games separating most teams that have the same wins for the Top 15. Bal & NYJ never played the NFCE so it's irrelevant, Oakland will get a win no matter what but that's moving the wrong way. Here's 16 through 20 pending SNF: pre:Eagles win BAL 8.0 124.0 132.0 0.484 DAL 8.0 124.0 132.0 0.484 NYJ 8.0 125.0 131.0 0.488 MIA 8.0 134.0 122.0 0.523 ARI 10.0 136.0 120.0 0.531 Cowboys win BAL 8.0 124.0 132.0 0.484 NYJ 8.0 125.0 131.0 0.488 MIA 8.0 134.0 122.0 0.523 PHI 9.0 118.0 138.0 0.461 ARI 10.0 135.0 121.0 0.527
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LiquidFriend posted:The Ravens absolutely should and I think you could make arguments for Oakland/Lions/Steelers. Oakland has to either draft a quarterback, or set themselves up to go 5-11 next season and draft one then. Between Moore, Streater, and Holmes, WR is among the least of their needs.
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Any info on Jimmy Garoppolo? His name is starting to pop up on the top QB lists. Good stats, but that's at Eastern Illinois.
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Atticus Finch posted:It looks like there's a chance Clowney would fall to Oakland. Rams take him at 2 unless they trade down.
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tanglewood1420 posted:Rams take him at 2 unless they trade down. That's funny, I'd think the Rams are the team that needs him the least. But honestly for Clowney you should probably make room, so I could see it.
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tanglewood1420 posted:Rams take him at 2 unless they trade down. Rams already have two good pass rushers on the line. They're more likely to take an outside linebacker (Barr), Matthews at OT or a rising wide receiver (Watkins) if they don't trade back. It's kind of funny but St Louis don't really need a new quarterback or a new defensive end. I'm not one for mock drafts but I think: HOU: Bridgewater STL: Watkins JAC: Clowney CLE: Carr OAK: Matthews / Barr / whoever the gently caress they want because their team is woeful wouldn't be a big surprise. People are still locked into the whole "you don't take whatever high" that is a hangover from the pre-wage scale days. St Louis can afford to go for value with their top pick and whatever they want with the second one in the first, but I don't see them targetting a QB or a DE with the wealth of talent and other holes on the roster. I'm a big believer in BPA, but at the end of the day taking Clowney or Bridgewater wouldn't improve the team from where it already is like Watkins, Barr or Matthews would.
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Why would the Jags take Clowney if they desperately need a QB?
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I can't see the Rams passing on the BPA. You can never have enough DEs, and QB arguably is a position of need for them.
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Arschlochkind posted:Ahem. Mea Culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa 
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BlindSite posted:Rams already have two good pass rushers on the line. They're more likely to take an outside linebacker (Barr), Matthews at OT or a rising wide receiver (Watkins) if they don't trade back. It's kind of funny but St Louis don't really need a new quarterback or a new defensive end. I see Clowney at another level to Matthews, Barr and the like. And you know what's better than having two good pass rushers? Having three good pass rushers - and in a division where you're going to be up against extremely mobile QBs like Wilson and Kaepernick it's even more important to have an athletic DL. I will extremely surprised if Clowney falls past 2, either the Rams will go BPA or someone below will fall in love with him and trade up to get him.
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Kim Jong Il posted:I can't see the Rams passing on the BPA. You can never have enough DEs, and QB arguably is a position of need for them. No it's not. The Rams are either going to get tremendous value for trading back, or are going to get pretty poo poo value for trading back, depending on how other teams feel about Clowney and Bridgewater, but I think they'd take a deal like Oakland took this last season if they had no other choice. If they play their cards right, they can set themselves up real pretty moving forward.
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tanglewood1420 posted:Rams take him at 2 unless they trade down. If there's one thing the Rams need, its more DEs
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commy gun posted:That mouyth guard looks like a pacifier,. Clowney is a big, black, muscley toddler. i think i said he'd be real good but not luck good and be out of the league in 4 years due to injuries so that's looking pretty good so far
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tanglewood1420 posted:I see Clowney at another level to Matthews, Barr and the like. And you know what's better than having two good pass rushers? Having three good pass rushers - and in a division where you're going to be up against extremely mobile QBs like Wilson and Kaepernick it's even more important to have an athletic DL. Unless Quinn, Long or Clowney can play 4-3 DT then only two will be on the field at any given time. And both Long and Quinn were first round picks themselves; you don't spend the #2 overall pick on a guy who will rotate with two other first rounders. Long and Quinn are both under contract for the near future and Quinn just had a DPOTY caliber year, he'll be extended without a doubt. So Clowney would be a luxury pick for the Rams. They should either trade or take the top LT/OLB prospect. Their front 7 would improve more by adding a quality OLB than it would by adding Clowney.
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Disillusionist posted:Unless Quinn, Long or Clowney can play 4-3 DT then only two will be on the field at any given time. And both Long and Quinn were first round picks themselves; you don't spend the #2 overall pick on a guy who will rotate with two other first rounders. Long and Quinn are both under contract for the near future and Quinn just had a DPOTY caliber year, he'll be extended without a doubt. So Clowney would be a luxury pick for the Rams. This is pretty much my argument. Take the top consensus LT and either move him to RT or shuffle the line around and have standout book ends on both sides of the ball, or take what amounts to a situational pass rusher... Also I wouldn't think the Rams are in need of a QB unless the coaching staff is willing to burn two years developing someone other than bridgewater they stick with Bradford.
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mcmagic posted:So there is about 0.5% chance that either Watkins or Evans are there at 18 huh? Unless one of them fails a piss test or gets glassed in a bar fight, pretty much.
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Atticus Finch posted:Why would the Jags take Clowney if they desperately need a QB? The two quickest answers would be, "Because they don't like whoever they slot as the #2 QB in the draft (Carr, Bortles, Manziel, whoever)" or "They see Clowney as the best player in the draft." That was the reasoning for taking Joeckel over any other top prospect when they picked him #2 last year; Joeckel was #1 on their board, and an opportunity to take who they thought was the best player coming out wasn't going to pass them by. This could obviously all change between now and May; Clowney could catch the eye of the Texans, who see the opportunity to put him on the opposite side from JJ Watt, which likely means the Jags get Bridgewater. Another QB (see above names, Brett Hundley, etc) could shoot up the board between Bowls/All Star Games/Pro Days/Combines and the Jags would see the gap between Mystery QB and Clowney to be not nearly as big as many people view it currently. Dave Caldwell and Gus Bradley want a QB, and they know now with 110% certainty (through their own eyes) that Blaine Gabbert can't be the guy and neither can Chad Henne. The question becomes if they think there's someone in this draft (which they didn't last year; I'm perfectly happy with them completely avoiding the prospects who were available) that is worth the #3 pick.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:What's the current draft order? Previous page. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=423772981&forumid=181
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Azhais posted:Previous page. Yep, just found it.
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BlindSite posted:Unless one of them fails a piss test or gets glassed in a bar fight, pretty much. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/gil-brandt/155116
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thatguyclint posted:The two quickest answers would be, "Because they don't like whoever they slot as the #2 QB in the draft (Carr, Bortles, Manziel, whoever)" or "They see Clowney as the best player in the draft." That was the reasoning for taking Joeckel over any other top prospect when they picked him #2 last year; Joeckel was #1 on their board, and an opportunity to take who they thought was the best player coming out wasn't going to pass them by. In addition to this they just need good players period don't they? They're presumably set at LT and...I honestly don't know who else is good or expected to be good on that team. Shorts and Blackmon (if he fixes his life) at wideout I guess? e: Posluszny too maybe. I haven't bothered to follow enough to see if he's still good Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Dec 30, 2013 |
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mcmagic posted:So there is about 0.5% chance that either Watkins or Evans are there at 18 huh? Evans could maybe end up at around 18 if the WR-hungry teams ahead of them like Watkins and Lee better. It's a longshot but I wouldn't call it completely impossible.
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thatguyclint posted:The two quickest answers would be, "Because they don't like whoever they slot as the #2 QB in the draft (Carr, Bortles, Manziel, whoever)" or "They see Clowney as the best player in the draft." That was the reasoning for taking Joeckel over any other top prospect when they picked him #2 last year; Joeckel was #1 on their board, and an opportunity to take who they thought was the best player coming out wasn't going to pass them by. Jags could still go QB, it's just their front office isn't as dumb as it once was. There's still the little matter of none of the free agent QBs namely, Vick or Cutler have signed extensions or anything yet. Who knows where dudes like Carr and McCarron are going to be after the combine. It's still a crap shoot. Draft chat is fun and all, but it's hard to refute anyone's reasoning for picks before free agency and the big scouting events start.
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Have no fear of the Ravens drafting a first round WR. Ozzie Newsome will take the Bama tackle if he can't trade back, and honestly I'm not sure I blame him. Adams or Matthews in the 2nd would be pretty alright. And if they're gone surely some value like Davante Parker or Brandon Coleman will be there come the third. How can you tell if you're suffering from Stockholm syndrome?
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The Ravens blocking was also pretty atrocious this year, so I wouldn't really be opposed to them drafting OL in the early rounds if I were a fan but what do I know
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I could see Vick on the Jags and then go Clowney. I've actually been hoping they take Clowney unless Bridgewater is available anyway. Henne had proven he can at least manage the game which should suffice and the extra rush would help us out tremendously. I also think a good prospect will be available in the second round as it stands now. My biggest concerns are what holes are we going to fill with the other rounds. I now it's a process and I frankly love Gus for what he did for Meester. I believe he's got a plan and we'll be in contention in three more seasons the latest.
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Well, at 14, I think the Bears focus has to be on either the defensive line or secondary. This is going to be a very interesting offseason. There are so many moves that have to be made in free agency, that we could draft any number of positions.
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As far as WRs go, only Nicks and Maclin are at the top of the FA market (possibly going to Carolina and KC respectively???), so any receiver-needy team is gonna look to the draft. Nicks was a major disappointment this year and Maclin is coming off a serious ACL tear. I like Marquise Lee more than Sammy Watkins, but I can no longer doubt the legit speed of Clemson players after Spiller and Ellington have both fuckin turned on the jets in the NFL.
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Quest For Glory II posted:As far as WRs go, only Nicks and Maclin are at the top of the FA market (possibly going to Carolina and KC respectively???), so any receiver-needy team is gonna look to the draft. Nicks was a major disappointment this year and Maclin is coming off a serious ACL tear. I'd probably end up with a full chub if the Panthers paid Nicks, Kenny Britt is also out there, though I doubt he commands the number one wideout marquee he used to after such a lovely season.
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Quest For Glory II posted:As far as WRs go, only Nicks and Maclin are at the top of the FA market (possibly going to Carolina and KC respectively???), so any receiver-needy team is gonna look to the draft. Nicks was a major disappointment this year and Maclin is coming off a serious ACL tear. Is Maclin for sure going to leave Philly?
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Sataere posted:Is Maclin for sure going to leave Philly? Vick being a free agent will give them the spare cash to throw at him. Depends on how he fits with Kelly's long term vision and where he sees himself. So basically, no one really knows.
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Sataere posted:Is Maclin for sure going to leave Philly? WR is kind of a need in Philly too, as they could do better than Cooper, but he seems to have found a comfortable niche in the offense. Instead they should look to replace Avant in the slot, and again, I'd look to the draft there.
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Quest For Glory II posted:I think it comes down to Philly and KC, but receiver is clearly a bigger need in Kansas City and Reid personally selected Maclin when most people thought the Eagles would take Knoshown Moreno (they ended up with LeSean McCoy in the 2nd round, a pretty good consolation prize huh?). Maybe DJax can move to the slot? He really struggles with CBs who can jam - just as he did tonight.
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Any chance Philly tags Maclin? Also is there any reason to take this seriously? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000304701/article/teddy-bridgewater-a-secondrounder-afc-scout-says
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