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Gatts posted:The Dark Knight Trilogy has a different viewpoint that's darker and down on it.
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Let's see what happens when the next F4 inevitably bombs.
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Dec 30, 2013 22:13
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Reckon it'll be Fox's Green Lantern?
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Dec 30, 2013 23:02
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I really want the FF movie to fail, and the rights to revert back to Marvel only so I can see Avengers Vs Doom/Galactus/Skrulls.
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Dec 30, 2013 23:08
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If Fantastic Four flopped it would just speedin' the X-Men vs FF film as X-Men is pretty much a guaranteed sell for Fox.
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Dec 30, 2013 23:21
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If they stick with the First Class stuff and set the FF in the 60s/70s that could actually be pretty cool
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Dec 30, 2013 23:40
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hey I can see Trank pulling this off if it's Ultimate Universe Fantastic Four complete with Teen Shithead Reed (which it might be, given the casting rumors that have been pitched around) PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Dec 30, 2013 |
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Dec 30, 2013 23:50
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Opopanax posted:If they stick with the First Class stuff and set the FF in the 60s/70s that could actually be pretty cool X-Men Apocalypse is reportedly sticking with the First Class characters.
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Dec 31, 2013 00:09
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The MSJ posted:X-Men Apocalypse is reportedly sticking with the First Class characters. And Wolverine. Don't forget. Hugh Jackman will always be there. ESPECIALLY in an FF vs X-Men movie.
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Dec 31, 2013 00:43
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Spitballing, maybe the FF get their powers after mutants are a big public issue, then become superhero celebrities, so the conflict is about why the world loves the team that got powers from space and hates the huge underclass that was born with them?
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Dec 31, 2013 00:45
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It's not actually happening, it was just one of those occasions where someone cited an old rumor which then became recirculated as a new rumor http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1719706/fantastic-four-x-men-movie-rumor.jhtml
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Dec 31, 2013 00:51
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Gatts posted:And Wolverine. Don't forget. Hugh Jackman will always be there. ESPECIALLY in an FF vs X-Men movie. Like that's a bad thing? BTW, the deleted scene with the costume makes it look seriously awesome.
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Dec 31, 2013 00:55
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Gatts posted:And Wolverine. Don't forget. Hugh Jackman will always be there. ESPECIALLY in an FF vs X-Men movie. Wolverine was already in First Class.
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Dec 31, 2013 00:57
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That's not a bad thing. Just saying. Wolverine will headline it.
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Dec 31, 2013 01:00
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He was almost practically in the original Fantastic Four. If Marvel ever does get the rights back to Fantastic Four, I hope they treat it like Reed Richards has always been there and is the biggest deal in the world. I'd love a movie where Tony and Banner just spend a whole movie having a big boy crush on their idol.
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Gatts posted:That's not a bad thing. Just saying. Wolverine will headline it. Oh course I mean he has headlineg all the other films. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Dec 31, 2013 |
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Dec 31, 2013 01:02
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Timeless Appeal posted:The Dark Knight Trilogy isn't really down on heroism. I've said this before in CineD, but Nolan's progression through the films reminds me of Kirby's career where both really like the big metaphor of superheroes but abhor violence. The final message of his trilogy is that Batman is a metaphor. When he punches the Joker to save Gotham, the thing you should get from it is that you too should stand up for other people and do the right thing, not that you should go out and punch people. The dopey CIA agent using completely ineffectual scare tactics and Bloombergmanuel offer the real world horrors if you get the wrong message from a character like Batman. But there is also stuff like a repented criminal making a stand for the lives of others or the big HINT HINT with Bruce's last great deed for Gotham being redistribution of his wealth and property. It didn't strike me until I watched the animated Dark Knight Returns, but the message that comes across is that Batman is loving insane but it's obvious that Miller thinks Batman is brilliant and those fanged liberals are always getting up on their high horse and complaining when he viciously disfigures some gang members. There's a neat dissonance to it. Omnomnomnivore posted:Spitballing, maybe the FF get their powers after mutants are a big public issue, then become superhero celebrities, so the conflict is about why the world loves the team that got powers from space and hates the huge underclass that was born with them? Was there ever anything in the comics about this?
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Sockser posted:It didn't strike me until I watched the animated Dark Knight Returns, but the message that comes across is that Batman is loving insane but it's obvious that Miller thinks Batman is brilliant and those fanged liberals are always getting up on their high horse and complaining when he viciously disfigures some gang members. There's a neat dissonance to it. You should read All Star Batman and Robin
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Dec 31, 2013 03:47
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Opopanax posted:You should read All Star Batman and Robin You should read this amazing thing. http://frankmillerink.com/
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Dec 31, 2013 03:49
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Oh I've read it. I kind of feel bad for Frank because he seems like he went so far overboard there might be some underlying thing
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Dec 31, 2013 03:52
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bobkatt013 posted:You should read this amazing thing. This right here is why I suddenly saw millers contempt when I watched the animated DKR.
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Dec 31, 2013 03:52
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The Dark Knight Returns is so weird. There is a lot of anti-authoritative stuff, but there is also this appreciation for Batman as someone who takes back the streets. Nolan's Batman has always had a bit of a social conscience to it. Even in Batman Begins which is the most straight up action adventure, petty crime is never really seen as the big problem as institutionalized corruption. There's also the quick line about Bruce having to steal to survive that I love. Then the next two films are about Nolan and Bruce really following through on some of the problematic stuff with Batman while still having very operatic moments of optimism like the Joker's defeat. bobkatt013 posted:You should read this amazing thing.
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Dec 31, 2013 04:37
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It's kind of what's got me a little worried about the Batman under Snyder thing, cause it seems they may be going for the Dark Knight Returns Batman and well that's uh no. I think what I liked most about Thor 2 was that it didn't wallow in misery which is basically what all of the Nolan Batman films did, now they were really loving good and I love them, but they wallowed in misery.
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Hollismason posted:It's kind of what's got me a little worried about the Batman under Snyder thing, cause it seems they may be going for the Dark Knight Returns Batman and well that's uh no. I don't think we will ever see a DC, or even maybe another Marvel film that was as fun as Thor 2.
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Hollismason posted:It's kind of what's got me a little worried about the Batman under Snyder thing, cause it seems they may be going for the Dark Knight Returns Batman and well that's uh no. Snyder has straight up said that he's not adapting any part of The Dark Knight Returns: http://youtu.be/2559riZ7u5g?t=2m12s
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Dec 31, 2013 05:25
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prezbuluskey posted:I don't think we will ever see a DC, or even maybe another Marvel film that was as fun as Thor 2. DC I'll agree, but I think both GOTG and Ant-Man will be really fun considering the cast and directors involved.
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Dec 31, 2013 05:32
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Sockser posted:It didn't strike me until I watched the animated Dark Knight Returns, but the message that comes across is that Batman is loving insane but it's obvious that Miller thinks Batman is brilliant and those fanged liberals are always getting up on their high horse and complaining when he viciously disfigures some gang members. There's a neat dissonance to it. Considering that Miller was satirizing Reagan and his policies as well I don't think it is fair to say that DKR was just a critcism of liberal ideals.
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Dec 31, 2013 07:11
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Dacap posted:DC I'll agree, but I think both GOTG and Ant-Man will be really fun considering the cast and directors involved. I honestly cannot be more excited about GoG, it just looks like a ton of fun and a great space opera to boot. Still more excited about Avengers 2, but if it didn't have Scarlett Witch in it, GoG would be the one I was most looking forward too.
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Dec 31, 2013 07:38
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I miss the Paul Dini/Bruce Timm Batman. That was an awesome Batman, and am awesome Bruce Wayne.
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Dec 31, 2013 14:26
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Dini and Timm made me actually care about Superman. That's how good they were.
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Dec 31, 2013 15:08
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Timm and a lot of other people including Dini. Hollismason posted:I think what I liked most about Thor 2 was that it didn't wallow in misery which is basically what all of the Nolan Batman films did, now they were really loving good and I love them, but they wallowed in misery.
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SaintFu posted:More pictures from The Winter Soldier: Man, they're really trying to recapture the Loki fangirl love with Bucky, aren't they? He's fabulous.
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Dec 31, 2013 17:04
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Lurdiak posted:Man, they're really trying to recapture the Loki fangirl love with Bucky, aren't they? He's fabulous. By giving him long hair? I think there was a bit more to it than that
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Dec 31, 2013 17:05
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Timeless Appeal posted:Timm and a lot of other people including Dini. Superman: The Movie and Superman 2 
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Dec 31, 2013 17:36
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Lurdiak posted:Man, they're really trying to recapture the Loki fangirl love with Bucky, aren't they? He's fabulous. He reminds me of something from a Capcom game, like Strider or some minor character from Mega Man.
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Dec 31, 2013 19:12
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Waterhaul posted:Superman: The Movie and Superman 2
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Dec 31, 2013 19:41
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Waterhaul posted:Superman: The Movie and Superman 2
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Dec 31, 2013 19:45
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achillesforever6 posted:Don't forget the Fleischer's Superman Shorts which the DCAU owes a lot of its style and existence to Those things are nearly 100 years old and they still look amazing. Except Japatures.
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twistedmentat posted:Those things are nearly 100 years old and they still look amazing. Except Japatures. 
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Timeless Appeal posted:Christopher Reeves's performance is amazing, but things break down if you really read into his actions. There is stuff like Clark going back to beat up the trucker that is very un-Superman and stuff in the cinematic cut like mind-wiping Lois that is straight up indefensible. I think the schizophrenic nature of the Donner Superman films, especially 2, do create problems as they aren't complete films due to studio meddling. With that said though the introduction of Superman in 1, having him save people from a crashed helicopter, stopping a break in, stopping criminals escaping from the police and topping it off by rescuing a cat from a tree for a child and then introducing himself to Lois/humanity as "a friend". That's superhero defined.
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