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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:Let me preface this entire post by clearly stating my stance on the issue. I believe that marijuana is caught in an unfortunate double-whammy of currently established law- "quality of life" smoking bans and public intoxication law. I think other various methods of consumption that don't involve smoke or any other potential for third-party effect transmission may be perfectly permissible in public areas but may still be subject to public intoxication law. Existing laws support this; you may not be allowed to smoke in certain areas but that doesn't remove your right to enjoy chewing tobacco, snuff, snus, or any other style of tobacco consumption that doesn't involve smoke (e-cigs are a relatively new method which are still a mystery for many people regarding acceptable usage). It should be absolutely within one's rights to enjoy a legal substance provided consumption does not negatively impact the quality of life or endanger those around. Police in this day and age don't work by the book, and police forces throughout the country are heavily corrupt. Any way to decrease the number of interactions between police and individuals is a net good in regards to police abuse cases, at least until such time as police forces can be reformed in America. Even if we agree that the only result from public use of marijuana is a minor citation, that is money coming out of the economy (and let's be honest out of the pockets of people who can least afford to pay) that is not creating anything, is not serving anyone, and will simply be spent on paying an officer to walk around trying to smell marijuana instead of real crime. It's the governmental equivalent of make-work, because I'm sure you won't try and argue that anti-public consumption laws actually do anything to lower public consumption of marijuana. As for the studies, I am sorry but I joined this forum to post in LF so I am used to being able to mention commonly known facts without having to prove them, especially in a thread that is as focused as this one where the subject matter should be heavily researched by the participating posters. Nevertheless, let me appease you. Also I should note that you are trying to mischaracterize my statements as "claim that having everyone behind the wheel of a car [stoned]" and I should correct you. I didn't say that, go back and read it again if you have to. Here is a study made by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) stating that there is no correlation between THC and an increased accident risk, and in fact there may be lower rates of accidents for marijuana users. When compared with alcohol, the contrast is stark; alcohol is involved in 25% of traffic accidents. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/ In this study by the Dutch Road Safety Research Institute, it was found that "No increased risk for road trauma was found for drivers exposed to cannabis." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15094417 This study, made by 4AutoInsuranceQuote.com (a national auto insurance quote company) stated that marijuana users are safer drivers than non-marijuana users: http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2012/4/prweb9375729.htm Here is a study done showing that states that enacted MMJ laws had 9% fewer traffic fatalities than before MMJ was legal: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/12/02/driving-stoned-safer-than-driving-drunk/ Here's an entertaining video if you can't concentrate on all those words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5C0xdwbg_4 Here are studies showing that cannabinoids kill tumor cells in human tissue and live animals: http://norml.org/library/item/gliomascancer More rat studies: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272059096900482
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Powercrazy posted:the most we will get seems to be hookah bars where smoking weed is legal. But I don't know if those are possible in Denver or anywhere yet.
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Dec 31, 2013 12:22
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TenementFunster posted:expressly prohibited statewide Yea. Hopefully that changes. If I can go to a bar and get drunk, why can't I go to a similar (or even the same place), and get high.
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Dec 31, 2013 21:19
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Because think of the children! 
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Dec 31, 2013 22:45
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The Denver Post has published a list of the dispensaries that have told them they'll be opening tomorrow, as well as a few others that will be opening in the coming months. Looks like one of the Garden City dispensaries is opening, so not all hope is lost for residents of Greeley  quote:A definitive list of Colorado shops open for recreational marijuana sales on New Year's Day is difficult to nail down — some shops are still waiting for licensing, or other items, and may not decide until the last minute. By law, none can open before 8 a.m. Wednesday.
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Dec 31, 2013 22:57
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I think most smokers nowadays realize that their habit is generally pretty terrible. Hell, I smoke and I like the no smoking in bars rule because I don't come home smelling like I started a forest fire and I don't end up smoking a pack and a half in a night out. Everyone wins. A similar ban on marijuana doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me, not everyone enjoys the smell of a good skunky strain.
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Dec 31, 2013 23:20
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Does the ban on smoking establishments in the law as passed ban all consumption or just smoking specifically?
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Dec 31, 2013 23:22
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I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but as it is, you can't even have dedicated smoking places. As in a place with the explicit purpose of hanging out with friends and smoking in a public place.
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Dec 31, 2013 23:23
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Install Windows posted:Does the ban on smoking establishments in the law as passed ban all consumption or just smoking specifically? Is "welcome to the bar, enjoy our fine selection of edibles" in our future, perhaps?
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Powercrazy posted:I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but as it is, you can't even have dedicated smoking places. As in a place with the explicit purpose of hanging out with friends and smoking in a public place. Are hookah bars not strictly legal, or is there a legal exception of some kind for them?
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showbiz_liz posted:Are hookah bars not strictly legal, or is there a legal exception of some kind for them? I'm pretty sure they get a special exemption, since in most states smoking indoors/public places isn't legal. However with marijuana in Colorado, there isn't an exemption available, (that I'm aware of.) So while a hookah bar with tobacco/whatever is fine, marijuana is explicitly not allowed, and I'm sure any licensed dispensary would lose their license if they were caught operating a Marijuana Hookah bar.
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Jan 1, 2014 00:08
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Powercrazy posted:I'm sure any licensed dispensary would lose their license if they were caught operating a Marijuana Hookah bar. In CA, the new dispensary I went to offered me "a hit of wax" as a bonus for being a first time patient. So apparently they're either allowed to let you smoke on the premises or are just trusting that no one's going to complain to the cops. I declined, because I was driving! I'm very safe with my federally illegal drug use.
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Jan 1, 2014 00:13
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WampaLord posted:Is "welcome to the bar, enjoy our fine selection of edibles" in our future, perhaps? Probably not. Looking at the text of A64, it prohibits marijuana consumption being "CONDUCTED OPENLY AND PUBLICLY OR IN A MANNER THAT ENDANGERS OTHERS." A bar explicitly selling edibles to be consumed on-site would probably fall under open consumption, and I doubt a bar/restaurant/coffee shop could get a retail marijuana store license in the first place. However, private establishments can regulate consumption (within the bounds set by A64) on their property; hypothetically you could grab a brownie on your way over and eat it at the bar if the owners don't mind. That would mostly depend upon Colorado and the individual locality's definition for public and private spaces though(ie does Colorado consider a private establishment open to the public a private or public space?). I suspect that any use of packaged, licensed marijuana products will be considered open consumption. TenementFunster, being both an actual lawyer and a resident of Colorado, will probably have a definitive answer. EDIT: Actually, looking at TF's posts, he has already answered this. Retail marijuana establishments cannot allow consumption on premises, and commercial enterprises open to the public are considered a public space. So, no, you cannot buy edibles at a bar or even bring in edibles from elsewhere and consume them there. On an unrelated matter, I'm applying to a graduate program at CSU-Ft. Collins. If I end up going there, will Garden City be the closest place to buy retail marijuana? I didn't see anywhere else that was closer, at least based off of Google maps and the article posted earlier. Preem Palver fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jan 1, 2014 |
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Jan 1, 2014 00:58
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WampaLord posted:In CA, the new dispensary I went to offered me "a hit of wax" as a bonus for being a first time patient. This is so repulsive. Not you, but the culture surrounding medical marijuana. It's obviously a sham, and yet it's allowed to go on undermining the entire purpose of prescription drugs (which if you think is stupid anyway, fine, but if you find some value in in the current OTC vs Prescription drugs dynamic, you shouldn't be a supporter of medical marijuana.)
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Jan 1, 2014 01:57
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Powercrazy posted:This is so repulsive. Not you, but the culture surrounding medical marijuana. It's obviously a sham, and yet it's allowed to go on undermining the entire purpose of prescription drugs (which if you think is stupid anyway, fine, but if you find some value in in the current OTC vs Prescription drugs dynamic, you shouldn't be a supporter of medical marijuana.) In California MM clearly also backdoor legalization. The restriction of prescription drugs is to protect people from genuinely harmful compounds and isn't really a big concern for marijuana.
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Dusseldorf posted:In California MM clearly also backdoor legalization. The restriction of prescription drugs is to protect people from genuinely harmful compounds and isn't really a big concern for marijuana. Agree about the harmlessness of marijuana, but you are actively undermining the prescription system, which includes drugs that are genuinely harmful if abused.
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Jan 1, 2014 02:09
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Yea, CA's medical is widely considered to be a joke. The "patients" I see when I go to dispensaries aren't cancer patients or old people with glaucoma, they're just fellow stoners who were smart enough to pay $40 and claim they had anxiety and trouble sleeping so some quack doc would write them a recommendation. It's basically just pure legalization hidden behind a $40 paywall. Also, they're not "prescriptions" they're "recommendations" so I'm not sure why you're concerned about the prescription drug industry.
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Jan 1, 2014 02:11
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Powercrazy posted:Agree about the harmlessness of marijuana, but you are actively undermining the prescription system, which includes drugs that are genuinely harmful if abused. Maybe if it was done in a traditional pharmacy but there's a clear firewall between MM and every other prescription drug. WampaLord posted:Yea, CA's medical is widely considered to be a joke. The "patients" I see when I go to dispensaries aren't cancer patients or old people with glaucoma, they're just fellow stoners who were smart enough to pay $40 and claim they had anxiety and trouble sleeping so some quack doc would write them a recommendation. I'm not sure why easy access is a "joke". The idea that MM can only be for the old or terminally ill is ridiculous. The system is "abused" but that doesn't devalue it. Bip Roberts fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Jan 1, 2014 |
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Jan 1, 2014 02:11
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Dusseldorf posted:I'm not sure why easy access is a "joke". The idea that MM can only be for the old or terminally ill is ridiculous. The system is "abused" but that doesn't devalue it. That's pretty much what it's got actual medical application for. The rest of it would be on the order of having "medical Mountain Dew".
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Jan 1, 2014 02:17
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Dusseldorf posted:Maybe if it was done in a traditional pharmacy but there's a clear firewall between MM and every other prescription drug. I'm not familiar with the minutia of California Prescription Laws, but what is required to be a "medical" marijuana dealer, as opposed to a pharmacists? And are their Doctors, with MDs and the legal right to write prescriptions, and a different class of people, who aren't necessarily doctors, but can write marijuana prescriptions exclusively?
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Dusseldorf posted:I'm not sure why easy access is a "joke". The idea that MM can only be for the old or terminally ill is ridiculous. The system is "abused" but that doesn't devalue it. Oh, I'm all for legalization in all forms, obviously, and using medical as a backdoor is a perfectly fine tactic. But let's not kid ourselves, the system in CA isn't being used for medicinal benefits by the vast majority of its participants. There was an Entourage episode about this where Drama gets his weed card. It's pretty accurate from my experience with the CA system. Edit: In case Powercrazy is interested about the process of getting a card in CA: Step 1 - Google "weed prescription" and find a "evaluation center" Step 2 - Go in and fill out a bunch of forms that say "No, really, this is only for medicine and you need to be serious about this." Step 3 - See the quack doctor, who takes your blood pressure and asks you a few basic questions. Took about 5 minutes. Step 4 - Go out to the counter and pay $40, plus $15 extra for the actual wallet-sized card (I actually need a new one, I lost mine). Without the card, you get a big piece of paper that works too but is more awkward to carry around. The girl at the counter helpfully gave me recommendations for local dispensaries that offer first-time patient deals. Step 5 - Go to a dispensary, fill out a bunch more serious paperwork that says "Really, only for medicine" then go back into the shop and talk about how high each strain gets you with the "budtenders" Step 6 - Buy weed WampaLord fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jan 1, 2014 |
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Jan 1, 2014 02:23
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Powercrazy posted:This is so repulsive. Not you, but the culture surrounding medical marijuana. It's obviously a sham, and yet it's allowed to go on undermining the entire purpose of prescription drugs (which if you think is stupid anyway, fine, but if you find some value in in the current OTC vs Prescription drugs dynamic, you shouldn't be a supporter of medical marijuana.) Yeah, maybe we should have just waited for the FDA to approve cannabis as a medicine so the SANCTITY OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS was preserved. How dare I take coffee beans for good liver health don't I realise that I'm UNDERMINING THE FDA! KingEup fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Jan 1, 2014 |
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Jan 1, 2014 03:23
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You don't understand the purpose of prescription drugs, Or you are a libertarian who thinks that drug regulations are unnecessary. Prescription drug abuse is a huge issue, and by wantonly abusing the system you are actively harming people. If weed were a placebo the issue would be equally valid.
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Jan 1, 2014 03:37
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It's not really the system since they aren't prescriptions and none of the doctors or vendors are the same as the doctors or vendors who do anything else. Also you probably shouldn't argue against lovely strawmans like that when his opinion is probably more like "the process for how we determine whether a drug is prescription or not is hosed up and its possible to subvert it in the cases where its wrong without undermining it in the cases where its right."
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Jan 1, 2014 03:40
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weed legalization will coincide with the public and common realization that performing fewer activities physically in life alongside decreased caloric consumption leads to a longer lifespan. muffled cough
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Jan 1, 2014 05:48
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Powercrazy posted:You don't understand the purpose of prescription drugs, Or you are a libertarian who thinks that drug regulations are unnecessary. Again the actual problem is prohibition, not the abuse of a system designed to victimize people and profit for their suffering. Same goes for prescription drugs being abused.
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Jan 1, 2014 06:11
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As far as Washington goes, all I have read is that sometime in spring is the earliest you will be able to buy since growers have to start everything from seeds. Is it literally going to be whoever finishes their grow the quickest will be able to be first to the market or will their be some kind of 'soft date' that shops cant open up before?
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The Maroon Hawk posted:The Denver Post has published a list of the dispensaries that have told them they'll be opening tomorrow, as well as a few others that will be opening in the coming months. Looks like one of the Garden City dispensaries is opening, so not all hope is lost for residents of Greeley Yeah ok this is loving straight up awesome.
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Powercrazy posted:You don't understand the purpose of prescription drugs, Or you are a libertarian who thinks that drug regulations are unnecessary. As others have pointed out, MMJ really doesn't have anything to do with prescription drugs at all. You can't be "prescribed" marijuana under federal law (which governs all prescription medications) because it's a schedule 1 substance which by definition does not have any legit medical uses (which is obviously crap, but that's what the law is right now). So, you get a "recommendation" from a "practitioner". This is legal because free speech, and a "recommendation" doesn't carry any legal weight under federal prescription drug regulations. The practitioner specifically does not need to be an MD. Once you have that, you go to the marijuana store and buy some. The marijunana store is not a pharmacy and they can't sell any medications other than weed. So there's really no danger here of someone going to a dredlocked holistic care provider and getting a scrip for Oxycontin or something. Mind you, this is all completely separate from the question of whether MMJ is a stalking horse for marijuana legalization, which it absolutely is, and which I have no problems with. Or, for that matter, whether an increased availability of certain prescription drugs might lead to reduced abuse of more dangerous, but easier to obtain alternatives. Meth springs to mind. Edit: I think the most  thing I've seen so far is this page on the Denver Government website, which helpfully lists all the businesses selling weed now, and includes a helpful map.
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Powercrazy posted:You don't understand the purpose of prescription drugs, Or you are a libertarian who thinks that drug regulations are unnecessary. . Here is what would happen if people had listened to you and successfully stymied the introduction of medical marijuana: quote:Pharmaceutical Privilege
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Excuse me HELLO, I would like to stop everything in order to describe why marijuana must be illegal, Around the turn of the century, the "decorticator" was invented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorticator This allowed products such as paper, oil, cloth, most drugs to be created using a backyard, god given ray of light from heaven which naturally aerates soil and is resistant to bugs and weeds. Around the turn of the century, oil, paper, cloth and many other products already had plants and resources which were being harvested in order to create them. William Randolph Hearst. So if someone said that "you can just use this easy plant which is annually renewable and right here which everyone loves" then they would look like loving stupid idiot rear end in a top hat pieces of poo poo. They don't want to look like that.
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Jan 1, 2014 07:00
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Who must admit to themselves and to the public that they have been unbelievably stupid and harmful failures?
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Yeah ok this is loving straight up awesome. loves the names, also a side note the LoDo wellness clinic happens to be across from the really awesome book store The Tattered Cover. quote:• CitiMed, 1640 E. Evans Ave.
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Cool Bear posted:Who must admit to themselves and to the public that they have been unbelievably stupid and harmful failures? Who will we defeat?
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Cool Bear posted:Who must admit to themselves and to the public that they have been unbelievably stupid and harmful failures? Imagine the man who is opposed to marijuana and he fully understands the difference between alcohol and marijuana and the man is not racist in any way,
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Let us imagine the man who says that the legalization of marijuana is good. Let's imagine him. Maybe he looks like zany Ron Paul. Maybe he looks like shy Paul Krugman. Maybe he looks like shy John Maynard Keynes but JMK would be forceful he would be a force for change if you ask me. Who else?
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I'm planning on hitting up a few shops tomorrow and experiencing history first hand. I'll post a trip report. Hopefully they don't sell out before I get there!
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"Is that weed I smell?" "As a United States Senator, I have been made aware that when you want to create plastic like tupperware, hemp is the best. Hemp plastic is actually better in every way if we are talking about serious plastic manufacturing.."
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Am I the only person who gets their recommendation from an actual doctor? The guy I got mine at is also an internalist at UCSF, and my GP asked if she had written my rec or not.
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EBT posted:Am I the only person who gets their recommendation from an actual doctor? The guy I got mine at is also an internalist at UCSF, and my GP asked if she had written my rec or not. I'm sure the nice gentleman who saw me had a medical degree. Probably from the Caribbean.
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