|
John Brown posted:A few texts between myself and a friend who is a Bama fan got me thinking: How could a scout try and defend AJ's performance last night? quote:McCarron is a player that elicits a wide range of opinions from NFL evaluators. I've talked to executives that believe he is a lock to be a solid NFL starting quarterback, while others have told me they view him as a long-term backup signal-caller at the next level. My opinion lands somewhere in the middle of those two camps. I do believe McCarron has the potential to be a functional starting quarterback in the right system/situation, but he really needs to work on his lower-body mechanics. "Functional starting quarterback" is pretty faint praise.
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 22:42
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 13:29 |
|
|
Quest For Glory II posted:"Functional starting quarterback" is pretty faint praise. "I have certainly seen him stand and throw a football, I have no reason to doubt that he will be able to continue standing and throwing footballs"
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 22:52
|
|
|
bhsman posted:JFF probably doesn't make it out of the top 10, or even top 5 after his game against Duke. One game hardly decides where a prospect is going. Manziel probably won't test amazingly at the combine.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 22:53
|
|
|
Doltos posted:One game hardly decides where a prospect is going. Manziel probably won't test amazingly at the combine. Well no poo poo the one game won't decide that alone, but that game did a lot to redeem him for the previous two games. And how will Manziel not test well at the Combine aside from the reveal that he's always been 4'9?
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 22:58
|
|
|
I feel like Manziel will be Colt McCoy 2.0 and end up concussing his way out of the league pretty quickly.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:05
|
|
|
Can the state of Texas produce two QBs with amazing names (or nickname in JFF's case) and have them both bust? Let's find out!
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:07
|
|
|
Does being short make his skull especially thin or something
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:08
|
|
|
Quest For Glory II posted:I feel like Manziel will be Colt McCoy 2.0 and end up concussing his way out of the league pretty quickly. I legitimately can't even remember who was the coach that drafted him. Mangini? That was when they had poo poo for an offensive line and skill positions outside of Thomas IIRC, or am I mis-remembering?
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:09
|
|
|
Elotana posted:Does being short make his skull especially thin or something It lines it up with shoulders pretty well. Also passing lanes, all the normal short QB worries that everyone's forgotten after Wilson.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:10
|
|
|
Elotana posted:Does being short make his skull especially thin or something Well if he plays the way he does in college in the NFL he's going to take a lot of hits
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:10
|
|
|
Intruder posted:Well if he plays the way he does in college in the NFL he's going to take a lot of hits I'd like to see him go to a team (whether Houston or otherwise) that forces him to play a lot like Wilson: using his ability to escape the pocket as a backup and exploit his accuracy as a pocket passer.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:26
|
|
|
bhsman posted:I'd like to see him go to a team (whether Houston or otherwise) that forces him to play a lot like Wilson: using his ability to escape the pocket as a backup and exploit his accuracy as a pocket passer. I think he would have been ideally suited for Gary Kubiak's offense
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:39
|
|
|
bhsman posted:JFF probably doesn't make it out of the top 10, or even top 5 after his game against Duke. You never know how the draft will play out. Bridgewater and Bortles will likely go before him and it's possible Manziel's workouts don't measure up to the athletic ability he's displayed.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:45
|
|
|
bhsman posted:Well no poo poo the one game won't decide that alone, but that game did a lot to redeem him for the previous two games. And how will Manziel not test well at the Combine aside from the reveal that he's always been 4'9? Slow 40 time mostly. He'll also test lower in vertical and cone drills, and will probably look pedestrian in throwing drills. His magic is on the field, not off it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:47
|
|
|
bhsman posted:JFF probably doesn't make it out of the top 10, or even top 5 after his game against Duke. I do not think his stock rose all that much from playing well against Duke.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:47
|
|
|
Quest For Glory II posted:I feel like Manziel will be Colt McCoy 2.0 and end up concussing his way out of the league pretty quickly. Depends if he gets a coaching staff who's going to throw him back out there when nobodies home.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2014 23:49
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:I do not think his stock rose all that much from playing well against Duke. Not overall, no, but it could help erase any doubts people had after his games against Mizzou and LSU. Doltos posted:Slow 40 time mostly. He'll also test lower in vertical and cone drills, and will probably look pedestrian in throwing drills. His magic is on the field, not off it. We'll see, but I'd argue that the cone times are where his quick-twitch would come in handy.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 00:15
|
|
|
SlipUp posted:Depends if he gets a coaching staff who's going to throw him back out there when nobodies home.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 00:54
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:I do not think his stock rose all that much from playing well against Duke. I think it helps his case that his poor play in the two previous games could be attributed to injury, especially to the thumb on his throwing hand.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 01:45
|
|
|
How a prospect played in their bowl game is overrated. Unlike 15-20 years ago, you can get all the tape you need on just about every snap a prospect ever played. The only reason bowl games might have some effect is because drat near every team scouts it in person
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 03:28
|
|
|
I would not be sad to get Sammy Watkins in the first. We don't have anyone with speed on the Bucs offense and hot drat is he fast.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 03:39
|
|
|
Also as far as passing lanes go, physically, his OL and SEC DL are as close as you'll get to an NFL preview and it was never an issue at all
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 03:41
|
|
|
Relentlessboredomm posted:I would not be sad to get Sammy Watkins in the first. We don't have anyone with speed on the Bucs offense and hot drat is he fast. If the Raiders end up taking him because they don't like Bortles or JFF, there's going to be too many lovely jokes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 03:54
|
|
|
What is Tajh Boyd projected at? He seems like he's been getting better as the year progressed.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 03:55
|
|
|
No Butt Stuff posted:What is Tajh Boyd projected at? He seems like he's been getting better as the year progressed. He's fluctuated throughout the year from late first to late 3rd.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 03:58
|
|
|
I'd be so upset if my team needed a QB and drafted Tajh Boyd.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 04:05
|
|
|
Ehud posted:I'd be so upset if my team needed a QB and drafted Tajh Boyd. Incidentally I'd be fine with the Dolphins taking a flyer on Boyd in the fourth or so
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 04:07
|
|
|
Nawid posted:If the Raiders end up taking him because they don't like Bortles or JFF, there's going to be too many lovely jokes. They won't. The Raiders have desperate needs at too many positions to take a WR.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 04:10
|
|
|
So where is the defensive line talent in this draft? Is it Clowney with a significant drop off, or is there a lot of talent to be had? It is almost assured we go defensive line in the first, and I suspect it would cost a ton in draft picks to get up and get Clowney at 14.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 04:11
|
|
|
Barr is good, but he gets manhandled by bigger TEs
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 05:11
|
|
|
Excuse me, but uh...why didn't OSU call their second timeout on 2nd & 20 after the clock was stopped by a penalty???
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 06:21
|
|
|
Is Sammy Watkins gonna drop to #10 Sammy Watkins isn't gonna drop to #10 is he
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 06:37
|
|
|
Sataere posted:So where is the defensive line talent in this draft? Is it Clowney with a significant drop off, or is there a lot of talent to be had? It is almost assured we go defensive line in the first, and I suspect it would cost a ton in draft picks to get up and get Clowney at 14. Listening to the draftnik podcasts it sounds like its basically clowney, decent falloff to #2, then a pretty major cliff.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 07:14
|
|
|
VJeff posted:Is Sammy Watkins gonna drop to #10 People have been occasionally mocking him top five, usually fourth to the Browns. It's possible that he drops but, after today's game, I wouldn't bet on it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 07:16
|
|
|
No Butt Stuff posted:What is Tajh Boyd projected at? He seems like he's been getting better as the year progressed. UDFA because he's a loving bum
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 07:31
|
|
|
Devante Parker is staying in school according to his twitter feed http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1908997-devante-parker-passes-up-2014-nfl-draft-to-return-to-louisville Probably a third rounder if he declared but his absence will make the 2014 receiver class that small measure less beautiful.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 08:16
|
|
|
Azhais posted:Listening to the draftnik podcasts it sounds like its basically clowney, decent falloff to #2, then a pretty major cliff. This is said every single draft since the beginning of time, "oh there's three or four blue chip guys, then the rest of the class is a big drop off" then come week 8 there's a whole swath of dudes who're playing well. There's always value to be had. Clowney is obviously the guy everyone's jizzing over, but lets not get hyperbolic over the rest of the class being sacks of poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 08:43
|
|
|
VJeff posted:Is Sammy Watkins gonna drop to #10 Makes sense for Tampa at 7 or Buffalo at 9 to me, plus the Rams if they trade back. I think Detroit should probably take one of the linebackers anyway, this WR class is deep as hell and I don't think it's as big of a need for them as most Lions fans seem to.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 08:53
|
|
|
If the Texans do decide on Bortles and manage to, say, trade the pick for Cleveland's two firsts (assuming he doesn't rise after the combine) and take him at 4, what pass rushers would be available at 26? Though the Browns might be reluctant to make another Trent Richardson type trade
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 09:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 13:29 |
|
|
Intruder posted:If the Texans do decide on Bortles and manage to, say, trade the pick for Cleveland's two firsts (assuming he doesn't rise after the combine) and take him at 4, what pass rushers would be available at 26? Trent Murphy could be there, though after Chase Thomas going from late-first to UDFA last year, I'm a little wary of Stanford linemen. I'd rather grab a tackle at that point.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2014 09:22
|
|