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First of all I am not playing him over and over, we actually only the very first game. My comment was only to point out that even when I win my players seem to get much less spp on average than with a bashy team.
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Coolguye posted:I can't speak to the Goonbowl since I haven't played in one, but the GGL, the open league we play and the one people have been suggesting instead, has pretty much a total dearth of this shittiness. I've played many dozens of games with those guys and only had one guy ragequit on me. And that was after I killed an AG3 Sure Hands Ogre (on an Ogre team). And the Apothecary rerolled to Dead. Rage quitting in open league play is the norm, i mean you can't really expect someone to waste an hour of their life when the match is for all purpose over. And wanting to sit there for an hour and killing of your opponents team when he cant fight back is just as lovely. Yeah some people, mostly dwarf coaches, take it to far and quit as soon as they lose a player, but thats a win.. checkmate in 3 moves wuhu.. Scheduled league play like goon bowl is diffrent since ragequitting have a huge impact on everybody and can really ruin a league.
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Dec 19, 2013 14:42
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If someone who knows what they are doing is happy to play as dwarfs against the vampire team of some rookie that person is an rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 19, 2013 15:07
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Friends don't play dwarfs against other friends. Unless the other friend is a dwarf too then it's just an abusive relationship.
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Dec 19, 2013 15:13
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I just started online play and I can see why ragequitting is popular. Almost every time some someone says "gl hf" it's a lovely, boring, 2-1 grind that drives all the fun out of the game. I mean, back when I played tabletop it was all scoring all the time and  That and it's super frustrating when a dude's agi 3 orcs are making dodges like gunners and never, ever failing a critical one die blitz! 
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Dec 19, 2013 15:36
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Hipster Occultist posted:I just started online play and I can see why ragequitting is popular. Almost every time some someone says "gl hf" it's a lovely, boring, 2-1 grind that drives all the fun out of the game. Who doesn't say "gl hf"? And the only way you don't get a boring 2-1 grind match is if both opponents aren't particularly committed to winning (or are both elfy), in which case they're probably doing less-than-optimal things which sometimes lead to their agi 3 orcs making dodges like gunners and never, ever failing a critical one die blitz!. Blood Bowl.  But seriously the only time I'm genuinely annoyed by someone complaining about 2-1 grinds or stalling is when they lose the ball through silly high-risk moves or when they're playing as Elves and decide not to go after the ball carrier. Elf coaches complaining about stalling are the worst. Just because my Elfy opponent is only interested in playing half the game (the half his team excels at) doesn't mean I'm an rear end in a top hat for not accommodating him. edit: Not a Dwarf coach.
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Dec 19, 2013 15:50
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Washout posted:Start playing vampires, pro elves, and skaven. I played tons of elves so I could have the passing game open, and I know how to screen and keep my guys from getting punched. It still doesn't really change my opinion about how RNG dependent actual fun play is, I guess I don't find setting up strong blocks and cage busting terribly fun. I played a couple leagues and did well, the game just bored me after a while.
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Dec 19, 2013 16:31
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Ragequitting is not the same as conceding a match. If you are done playing or need to go or simply don't want to continue the pain, you can click Menu and then concede. The game ends immediately and your opponent can go do something else too. If you instead just alt-F4 or kill your client or unplug the internet, your opponent has to sit there waiting for the clock to tick down before they get the win. That's kind of assholish. Unfortunately, if your client crashes (which is common because Cyanide) it is indistinguishable to your opponent from a ragequit. I have no issue with an opponent in open play (e.g., not a tournament) conceding a match for whatever reason. Conceding in a tournament is bad because it gives you an unfair reward (all the money for both sides, plus two MVPs, plus +2 scores over whatever your opponent had when they quit, plus your opponent gets no SPPs so his next opponent isn't facing as tough of a match). Ragequitting at any time is just being a giant baby. As for 2-1 being boring, you have two choices: always play as elves or skaven, or, don't play bloodbowl. 2-1 is the only way that many teams can win, so railing against it is kind of like saying "I don't think 80% of bloodbowl teams should ever be played."
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Dec 20, 2013 01:01
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I honestly can't remember the last time a match I had ended 2-1.
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Dec 20, 2013 03:09
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If you're set on winning, then trying for the 2-1 grind along with stalling and all that is probably the smart thing to do. I refuse to stall because it's not fun. I play Blood Bowl because it's a game about orcs punching elves while playing football. I don't care that I'll probably tie or potentially lose more games just because I don't stall. I'd rather actually play the game on defense and try to stop a score then stall for like 3 turns. Yes they are probably the most effective / efficient ways to play, but they're not the most fun, and no one is forcing you to follow them.
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Dec 20, 2013 03:20
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I think that's part of the problem with blood bowl leagues. You get people who want to play Serious Business to win, and you get people who want to play fun and/or gimmick teams, but the two types of players rarely enjoy games against each other. I know I stall a bit, but I just can't bring myself to embrace the 2-1 grind because I think it's tedious as gently caress. I would much rather have giant fights for the ball and crazy plays. I think I even conceded the last serious game I played because I just didn't have the patience for it.
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Dec 20, 2013 09:58
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Evernoob posted:First of all I am not playing him over and over, we actually only the very first game. What kind of vamp team are you playing? I like to start with only two vampires, but the normal start is with three. If you are starting with four or more you are going to lose the majority of your matches. Oh yeah and I also like starting with 5 rerolls. I start with two vampires and then once they are both level 3 with either block and pro or dodge and pro I buy my 3rd vampire. Then when those three all are level 4 with block, dodge, and pro I buy the 4th vampire and then at that point you wait for the new guy to get level 4 before buying your 5th or, more normally, just stay with 4 vampires. There is an alternate Vampire strategy of buying 3 vamps/4 rerolls to start, never getting pro, and never expanding beyond 3 vampires with 4 rerolls. edit: keep in mind AT BEST a vampire team is only going to win 50% of it's matches and it's entirely rng dependant if you win or not. This is just due to the swing nature of all the negatraits and how reliant you are on hypno working to break cages. Washout fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Dec 20, 2013 |
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Panzeh posted:I played tons of elves so I could have the passing game open, and I know how to screen and keep my guys from getting punched. Then quit taking the game seriously and play a passing chaos/nurgle team with only one (or none) killer players.
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Blackmage Yapo posted:I think that's part of the problem with blood bowl leagues. You get people who want to play Serious Business to win, and you get people who want to play fun and/or gimmick teams, but the two types of players rarely enjoy games against each other. You see this same tedious debate all throughout Games, whenever people have a game they play online that has win/lose conditions. There are always people who "just play for fun" and other people who play to win, and the former call the latter "tryhards" and etc. etc. ad nauseum. It's fine to play a game however you want that makes it fun for you. It's stupid to rail against other people who play a competitive game to win that game, using the strategies to win that are made optimal by that game's own rules and parameters. At the very most, you can politely decline to play that sort of game, and BB gives you the option to opt-out by conceding. If you're playing in a tournament, the default expectation is that you're playing to win, and you should discuss that with the other members of the tournament if you'd rather do it differently. If you're playing in an open league/matchmaker format, you should expect that a lot of players you will face will assume you (and they) are playing to win, and be both unsurprised and unperturbed when that happens frequently.
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I think it's also important to note that Blood Bowl is usually a game that people leave for a bit and then come back to. I know very few people that play it consistently week after week after week. I don't see this as a bad thing, nothing wrong with taking a break and then coming back to the game when you get an itch. On the whole 2 - 1 thing, I just see it as sounds strategy to play out your play in both halves, I mean you have a general plan and then you have the turn by turn plan. Even though I often plan for a 2 - 1 grind it usually doesn't happen. And those that do end up 2 - 1 has a tendency to get very tense at the end. Oh and never ragequit, always concede.
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Dec 20, 2013 20:20
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Yeah, peacing out because you're getting your rear end handed to you in casualties or because you're 3 points behind with 5 turns left in the game might be good sense. Hell during the Let's Play some of us did with Yapo, we had a few elf teams that conceded because they were clearly getting CAS spirals shortly after half time. That's fine. Ragequitting because your opponent drew first CAS, hurt your unique snowflake player, or blunted your cage in the first half is just being an rear end in a top hat.
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Washout posted:I start with two vampires and then once they are both level 3 with either block and pro or dodge and pro I buy my 3rd vampire. Then when those three all are level 4 with block, dodge, and pro I buy the 4th. That is exactly the route I went. My thralls get general skills like block, wrestle, kick, tackle. I do would like to try some strength skills on my reserve 4th vamp and see where that takes me.
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I simply haven't seen this game the same way since I accidentally deleted my 8-0-0 DE team 
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AlsoD posted:I simply haven't seen this game the same way since I accidentally deleted my 8-0-0 DE team Just make another one, it's not like that's unusual for DE, the Best Team.
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AlsoD posted:I simply haven't seen this game the same way since I accidentally deleted my 8-0-0 DE team Yeah if you can't handle losing one team then how would you have felt if the team had just gotten gutted in a normal game. Because when elves have a bad game you can easily lose like your 5 best dudes all in one shot. Whelp time to start a new team!!
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What's up guys, come play in our semi-regular Blood Bowl cup-style league, Goonbowl. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3599493 Fresh teams, divisional play followed by a single elimination tourney. At the very least go look at how many words I wrote about joining a tournament. League starts January 19th, first come first serve for spots
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GNU Order posted:What's up guys, come play in our semi-regular Blood Bowl cup-style league, Goonbowl. I can't wait to have another go at this. Who's going to man up and play Vampires this season? I'm upgrading to Nurgle so I still have an excuse when I don't make the playoffs.
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Roshambo posted:I can't wait to have another go at this. Who's going to man up and play Vampires this season? I'm upgrading to Nurgle so I still have an excuse when I don't make the playoffs. Nurgle are bad and you should feel bad.
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Jan 6, 2014 06:40
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Yeah he should play Dwarfs instead.
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Jan 6, 2014 06:42
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Nurgle are the ultimate spoilers for any stupid elfy teams. More people should play nurgle.
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Nurgle are the puns of bloodbowl, a lot of the enjoyment from playing them comes from the suffering of your opponent
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Nothing like the thrill of killing the enemy's best player and then putting him on the field as a basic zombie in the second half 
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Blood Bowl II News (courtesy cKnoor's YouTubes) Confirmed 8 teams at release: Humans Orcs High Elves Dark Elves Dwarfs Skaven Chaos Bretonnians And there will be a way to trade players between teams- no details on how that works but I'm pumped about this. I want Madden with Orcs.
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These are the Bretonnians I've seen around most often, and if that's what's getting put in I'm pretty pumped 
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How many planned rereleases for me to get all the teams?
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Jan 22, 2014 16:24
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Wow what a loving cash-in this has become.... 
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8 teams, nothing with regen, or dead-raising. No stunty apart from the goblins on Orcs, which also means the only thing lacking for a goblin team is the pogo-er and the secret weapons. Even fewer than that if they're doing the full star player line-up, because orcs should get a pogo-er and a bomber. No norse or amazons, but a brand new team. Really rather odd.
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goatface posted:8 teams, nothing with regen, or dead-raising. Not odd at all. That is more expansions they can make.
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goatface posted:8 teams, nothing with regen, or dead-raising. It kinda makes sense as a poor developer, if not as a guy that likes blood bowl? Most of the listed teams function exactly the same mechanically(probably in the case of the brets), whereas adding in necromancers and raising the dead is adding in new features. If you accept that cyanide is going to release them in waves(unfortunate but sadly likely), it makes sense for them to build the waves around added functionality, so all the dead raising regen teams at once for instance. The only thing that really doesn't fit in is that a couple of teams(Norse, amazon, pro elves for instance) aren't in the generic rules set they're releasing at first. Perhaps they're saving them to pad out future versions?
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Amazons need nothing extra, the pieces are the same skeleton shape (and they have to have a female model already because of witch-elves) with different skins and have no specialist skills that need to be coded. There's no big-guy, no off-model positionals, no special mechanics, they don't need mutation models. They're about as simple as it gets.
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I didn't even know there was a Blood Bowl thread, i guess i never looked. There are a handful(5 most nights, 10 busy nights) of us playing this in the GROON league. GROON is a goon only Eve spaceship thing but some of us don't play spaceships anymore so instead we play fun games. We basically just hang out in TS, get drunk and then feel bad when we kill someones star thrower. Or laugh, whatever. We also do some tournaments at different point values, currently running is all new teams. After this one is over the next one is a 1700-2000 point deal for the big boys. We'll probably end up with 12 teams. You'll never get any games spinning or whatever 'cause we do all of our matchmaking in TS by asking who wants to play a game. Anyway if anyone wants to put some teams in the league and play some games. Register on our forums and PM me there(the angry denizen), or PM me here and i'll get you setup on our TS.
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You guys should fold your whole league into our Giant Goon League! And join us on IRC. Because there's like, dozens of goons in GGL but only five to ten of you. Right?
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I assumed that all the stuff in the OP was completely out of date. I'm sure some of us will put teams in that league.
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denizen posted:I assumed that all the stuff in the OP was completely out of date. I'm sure some of us will put teams in that league. Yeah it never dies, you should all get into IRC, wel regulars all have each others SKYPE names set up but I'm sure most people will be willing to talk to you right in IRC and join your teamspeak too. I have not been playing lately because I'm in Hawaii now and I tried to do a Lets play and failed miserably. But I've been thinking of playing again.
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Washout posted:Yeah it never dies, you should all get into IRC, wel regulars all have each others SKYPE names set up but I'm sure most people will be willing to talk to you right in IRC and join your teamspeak too. People are actually starting to play again a bit. I think we may be starting into the nth blood bowl revival.
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