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It's loving insane that Bradley Cooper is voicing Rocket Raccoon in a movie.
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Gatts posted:Only if he was in a raccoon suit like Mario. I would pay $10 to see that on screen in a GoG movie. The idea of him in a fursuit, and playing it completely straight - like no one commenting on it, just him playing the exact same part as the CGI Rocket would - makes me kind of sad that we don't live in that world. Still, looking forward to GotG.
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Jan 6, 2014 20:30
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MrFlibble posted:The idea of him in a fursuit, and playing it completely straight - like no one commenting on it, just him playing the exact same part as the CGI Rocket would - makes me kind of sad that we don't live in that world. It would be amazing if he was trying to convince people that he is (or isn't a raccoon) repeatedly.
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Jan 6, 2014 20:31
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Dan Didio posted:It's loving insane that Bradley Cooper is voicing Rocket Raccoon in a movie. Yeah, it's kinda surprising to see the only two A-listers in voice only parts
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Jan 6, 2014 20:42
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MrFlibble posted:The idea of him in a fursuit, and playing it completely straight - like no one commenting on it, just him playing the exact same part as the CGI Rocket would - makes me kind of sad that we don't live in that world. Pair it with Vin Diesel with a bunch of bark tied to himself
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Jan 6, 2014 20:43
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PupsOfWar posted:I think there's a good chance they decided on a British accent You know when I heard Cooper was cast as RR over my preferred favourite of Jason Statham, I expected that a slight Cockney voiced Rocket Raccoon would never happen. But the fact that Cooper talks about it here. The fact that it was at least seriously considered? I can live with that, I suppose. It's definitely something.
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Jan 6, 2014 21:01
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So if a couple of rumors I read about today are true, MoS2/Batman V. Superman is looking to be......something alright. Something indeed. http://www.batman-on-film.com/BOF-Mailbag_1-1-14.html quote:“How big of a role do you think Wonder Woman will be in BvS?” and along with this tweet https://twitter.com/Peterg_TMT/status/418828995115745280 Yea, I dunno how I feel about this.
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Jan 6, 2014 21:15
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Not gonna spoiler because it's speculation and is also nothing about the plot, so: I think having the Amazonians be long-lost Kryptonians on Earth is a pretty good idea, especially if you're already committed to introducing Wonder Woman in a Superman movie. The guy talking in your quote makes a pretty good case for a tidy and neat origin of god-like sorority sisters if they don't want to go the Asgardian route. I imagine fans might not like the idea of Amazonians actually being Kryptonians but if it was so long ago, does it matter? Humans all come from Africa but we don't consider everyone now to be Africans.
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Jan 6, 2014 21:33
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It's a neat idea, but it completely reverses WW's mythical roots to say she's all Kryptonian science.
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Jan 6, 2014 21:46
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StumblyWumbly posted:It's a neat idea, but it completely reverses WW's mythical roots to say she's all Kryptonian science. Yeah but who gives a gently caress about her when there's men to have on screen! Loving the depowering of her too, that's great, really showing the equality off there folks. I can see it now. "Oh no! Wonder Woman! Get thee behind me, woman! This battle against nazi robots is no place for a lady!" Sion fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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Jan 6, 2014 21:54
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My main problem with that origin for WW is that it's sort of watering down her identity. Part of what makes the Justice League (and Avengers) so much fun is how diverse and unique all the characters are, and I'm worried that making WW a Kryptonian will hurt that. Rather than having these distinct and colorful characters, two of the big 3 will have more or less the same origin.
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Jan 6, 2014 21:55
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Hahahaahahahahahahahahaah. What a loving stupid idea. That's never going to happen.
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Jan 6, 2014 21:57
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Calm the gently caress down, it's just some idiot speculating. Zack Snyder is a lot of things and not all of them are good, but he does have a lot of reverence for source material. I sincerely doubt this will happen.
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Jan 6, 2014 22:00
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Yeah it ain't gonna happen but no film where The Rock would be Jon Stewart would be bad.
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Jan 6, 2014 22:12
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The depowering is the one aspect I didn't like, true. hi liter posted:My main problem with that origin for WW is that it's sort of watering down her identity. Part of what makes the Justice League (and Avengers) so much fun is how diverse and unique all the characters are, and I'm worried that making WW a Kryptonian will hurt that. Rather than having these distinct and colorful characters, two of the big 3 will have more or less the same origin. There's an origin for powers and then there's an origin for the actual character. No one would accuse the X-Men of all having the same origin even though all of their abilities originate from the same phenomena. Why Wonder Woman chooses to do what she does is what I hope a movie would focus on, and not whether her strength comes from the sun or magic clay.
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Jan 6, 2014 22:15
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That's some really backwards, reductive reasoning and it doesn't fly at all. Wonder Woman's origin is absolutely a huge part of her character and there's much more at play in those changes than just where her punching comes from. Homogenizing her into Superman-lite would be an utterly horrific change. This is literally the most common whiny criticism of a character, along the lines of Superman being 'too good' and thus boring. Making that a truth would be a bad joke.
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Jan 6, 2014 22:23
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There is no reason why the Kryptonian thing would take away from her origin. People in Ancient Greece see a bunch of Kryptonians doing poo poo, unable to comprehend aliens, they are now gods of Greek mythology. The Kryptonians become more isolated from humankind for whatever reason, these myths become entrenched in folklore and whatnot. Blam. There you go. As to whether this actually happens in the movie or is just hype/speculation we will have to wait and see.
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Jan 6, 2014 22:27
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It absolutely would take away from her origin. It makes a facet of her character, inadvertently, just a smaller part of Superman's world. It literally strips away some of her identity and patches it up with Superman. It's the very definition of 'taking away'. That said, there's absolutely no way that idea ever gets used.
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Jan 6, 2014 22:28
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Madkal posted:The Kryptonians become more isolated from humankind for whatever reason, these myths become entrenched in folklore and whatnot. Blam. There you go. Blam. You've destroyed the point of the character. Booyah.
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Jan 6, 2014 22:30
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Batman Vs. Superman (and girl superman jr., don't worry, she's on the back of the lunchbox)
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Jan 6, 2014 22:31
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Dan Didio posted:That's some really backwards, reductive reasoning and it doesn't fly at all. Wonder Woman's origin is absolutely a huge part of her character and there's much more at play in those changes than just where her punching comes from. Homogenizing her into Superman-lite would be an utterly horrific change. So far the only change I see, the only change I'm referring to, is whether she's made out of clay or whether they get juiced from the Sun. Everything about who she is and about Themyscira could be business as usual. Except for the actual issue of her power levels, which I disagree with, she would in no way be a Superman-lite. Every Superman story always makes a big deal about him being the Last Son of a dead planet before showing a dozen other convenient survivors anyway, so this would be par for the course. The only real problem I would have with this is that it would make Supergirl a non-starter but that's not a big loss to me anyway (since she's the real Superman-lite).
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Jan 6, 2014 22:31
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Lobok posted:So far the only change I see, the only change I'm referring to, is whether she's made out of clay or whether they get juiced from the Sun. Everything about who she is and about Themyscira could be business as usual. Apart from pretty much every facet of who she is and what Themysciria is, sure.
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Jan 6, 2014 22:32
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I greatly prefer the original version of Diana's origin-story, but I don't know that "she's descended from Kryptonians" diminishes her more than the current "She is the product of Zeus and Hippolyta loving" version does. Still bad. I've never thought Snyder, Nolan or Goyer has any particularly strong feelings against magical or mystical mechanics in their genre fiction, given their filmographies. But given all the "we want Superman to exist in a realistic world, even if he isn't realistic himself" quotes from Snyder and Goyer, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to knee-jerk away from anything that sounds "magical" and bullshit some kind of comic book quasi-sci-fi explanation instead.
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Jan 6, 2014 23:13
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There is absolutely no way Snyder would pass up the opportunity to depict Greek mythology.
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Jan 6, 2014 23:14
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I love the idea that Superman appearing serves as a catalyst for all these previously hidden and lost super powered beings to return. The Gods pretty much after a while realize humanity can take care of itself, so it retired to isolated parts of the planet, suddenly two god like beings have a fist fight that levels a city a kills a unknown number of people gets them off their asses and returns them to the world. Its kinda like that in the MCU with Thor. Cap and Iron Man are just extensions of human ability, suddenly there are literally gods running around, which escalates everything beyond that. Both Fury and Killian said exactly that "Thor means we have to be ready for something bigger and badder".
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Jan 6, 2014 23:50
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PupsOfWar posted:I greatly prefer the original version of Diana's origin-story, but I don't know that "she's descended from Kryptonians" diminishes her more than the current "She is the product of Zeus and Hippolyta loving" version does. So, easy fix. The "Ancient" Kryptonians were percieved to be Gods, with their advanced powers, and so took over Greece thusly. The entire pantheon was made up of Kryptonians. Problem solved. So, they play it like Thor. A writer with half a brain could probably make it work, and make people accept it. The only problem that exists is that the Greek Pantheon can't become part of a contemporary cast. Stuff the likes of New 52 Wonder Woman wouldn't be seen. (But... I don't know if that would Play on Film so well). The baddies will end up being other Amazon warriors or something. They don't need Wonder Woman to be a SMASH hit. They need her to be good enough in Bats V Supes to warrant her own film. They need her good enough in her own film to support The Justice League. Keep in mind, DC hasn't been doing that good of a job of planning very far beyond what they're currently doing.
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Jan 7, 2014 00:07
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Madkal posted:There is no reason why the Kryptonian thing would take away from her origin. People in Ancient Greece see a bunch of Kryptonians doing poo poo, unable to comprehend aliens, they are now gods of Greek mythology. The Kryptonians become more isolated from humankind for whatever reason, these myths become entrenched in folklore and whatnot. Blam. There you go. While I agree they need to copy Marvel to succeed I don't think a wholesale rip off is the best idea
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Jan 7, 2014 00:09
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Superman can help her lift the hammer.
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Jan 7, 2014 00:12
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Madkal posted:There is no reason why the Kryptonian thing would take away from her origin. People in Ancient Greece see a bunch of Kryptonians doing poo poo, unable to comprehend aliens, they are now gods of Greek mythology. The Kryptonians become more isolated from humankind for whatever reason, these myths become entrenched in folklore and whatnot. Blam. There you go. Wasn't that (at one point) sort of Marvel's thing with the Asgardians? They were just super-cool aliens and then all the Norse myths were based off of poo poo humans saw them doing? I know nowadays Thor's just a straight-up god, no questions asked.
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Jan 7, 2014 00:14
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I believe that's how Kirby personally conceived the characters, and he brought that idea with him when he went to DC and created the Fourth World.
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Jan 7, 2014 00:20
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With regards to magic and Gods, I'd prefer DC to go in the opposite direction of the MCU. They can have a hyper-rational scientist quote Clarke's third law at Wonder Woman before Zeus appears, zaps him with a lightning bolt and then turns into a swan to make out with the scientist's wife.
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Jan 7, 2014 00:21
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TwoPair posted:Wasn't that (at one point) sort of Marvel's thing with the Asgardians? They were just super-cool aliens and then all the Norse myths were based off of poo poo humans saw them doing? I know nowadays Thor's just a straight-up god, no questions asked. Possibly. I don't read much Thor and I wasn't a big fan of the movie (though that had nothing to do with how the Asgardians were portrayed as I thought that was the best part of the 1st movie while all the earth stuff was terrible), but if it was similar were people crying about how it takes everything away from Thor that he isn't purely myth based?
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Jan 7, 2014 00:26
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Yeah, having the Greek pantheon be Kryptonian isn't 'simplifying' Wonder Woman's origin. It's making her into Supergirl. The Marvel stuff works better as an interlaced universe because that notion was already in place with the JLA and such when Stan, Steve, Jack and co created the Marvel characters. They knew Thor might show up in a Fantastic Four issue or two, and that Spider-Man might see the X-Men on TV. Whereas the DCU is a hodge-podge of concepts that were never originally conceived of as co-existing.
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Jan 7, 2014 00:28
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Madkal posted:Possibly. I don't read much Thor and I wasn't a big fan of the movie (though that had nothing to do with how the Asgardians were portrayed as I thought that was the best part of the 1st movie while all the earth stuff was terrible), but if it was similar were people crying about how it takes everything away from Thor that he isn't purely myth based? No, they weren't, because it doesn't.
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Jan 7, 2014 00:32
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Wonder Woman: "What you thought was magic we call science!" Audience: "When's Thor showing up?"
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Jan 7, 2014 00:33
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Dan Didio posted:Apart from pretty much every facet of who she is and what Themysciria is, sure. Look, I'll cop to not being much of a WW fan but I'm not going to engage with someone just saying "no it isn't". What is fundamentally wrong about the Amazonians originally being alien? Is it because they then wouldn't be the actual gods?
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Jan 7, 2014 00:35
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I suppose if it's less "descended from Kryptonians" and more "human women found Kryptonian hypertech and two thousand years later here is the result," it'd be okay. But I still think it's a bad idea. I mean, putting aside the fact that "island full of Kryptonian women" sounds like a harem fanfic someone wrote for Superman, and putting aside the fact that it turns Wonder Woman into a version of Supergirl it's okay for Superman to gently caress and Thermyscaria into the Bottle City of Kandor, it takes something away from Superman's uniqueness as well as Wonder Woman's. Suddenly he's not the last Kryptonian. (Yes, I know, Kara Zor-El and Kon-El... and Donna Troy and Cassie Sandsmark, are they all going to be Kryptonians?) On top of that, you just know that if they go this direction in the movies, they'll take a good, long look at doing it in the comics, too. I'm the odd one out here because I do not care for Brian Azz's work on Wonder Woman, but a lot of people here do, and it's explicitly tied to mythology and magic. All that will get spiked if they want to make the movies more like the comics. I do not think this is a very good idea. I think it closes more doors than it opens. EDIT: As David Uzumeri said on Twitter, imagine a version of Batman's origin where Joe Chill turned out to be Jax-Ur. That's about what this feels like. Mike From Nowhere fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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Jan 7, 2014 00:36
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Roydrowsy posted:So, they play it like Thor. A writer with half a brain could probably make it work, Unfortunately, all we have is David Goyer.
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Jan 7, 2014 00:44
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Additionally they're not going to make Clark not the last Kryptonian all of a sudden. The whole basis for the pathos in his character arc in Man of Steel was the fact that he is alone, he killed the only other Kryptonian, and also in trying to stop his old foreign world from overwhelming his familiar one, he also destroyed every relic of Krypton that he'd just found. Zack Snyder is not Bryan Singer. The first 20 minutes of Man of Steel should be proof enough that he likes making comic book movies about comic books. You guys are delusional if you think Zack Snyder would pass up the opportunity to go full Greek mythology nut on the DCCU. And again, this isn't even a rumor, it's speculation on a fan site.
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Sion posted:Unfortunately, all we have is David Goyer. Ben Affleck called in the writer of Argo to fix Goyer's script. It's likely that this will continue with any future films given Affleck's influence at WB.
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