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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:How do you figure? Have there ever been 1440p TN panels before? I doubt ASUS would spring for yet another new TN panel design just so they could slap G-Sync on it. IIRC, there's no IPS panel on the market that would come close to giving a "1 ms" response time. It isn't explicitly stated, but it's the most plausible guess.
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Zero VGS posted:The ultimate troll: This pleases me. I'm looking forward to seeing the refinements in a few months.
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unpronounceable posted:IIRC, there's no IPS panel on the market that would come close to giving a "1 ms" response time. It isn't explicitly stated, but it's the most plausible guess. I can see where you're coming from. I think I was repulsed a little when I happened upon a dumb post from another forum basically saying "ASUS didn't mention what type of panel it was, so it must be lovely TN because they didn't want to draw peoples' attention to that fact". It might just be my wishful thinking, but if ASUS is going to manufacture a brand-spanking new TN panel (new as in, nobody's ever made a 1440p TN), I hope they sparkle some fancy magic dust on it and turn it into something with better color quality, etc. or perhaps even make it a VA panel like the way EIZO touts their own, as being somewhat "better".
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Anandtech's liveblog comment: quote:03:17PM EST - Looks like it's not IPS though, apparently really good for a TN panel We'll see what the reviews look like after it's released.
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Been rocking a 47" Sony Bravia as a monitor, would it make that much of a difference to downsize to a smaller monitor but with higher resolution?
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shin01176 posted:Been rocking a 47" Sony Bravia as a monitor, would it make that much of a difference to downsize to a smaller monitor but with higher resolution? Yes, lots. Text size alone will blow your mind.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:It might just be my wishful thinking, but if ASUS is going to manufacture a brand-spanking new TN panel (new as in, nobody's ever made a 1440p TN), I hope they sparkle some fancy magic dust on it and turn it into something with better color quality, etc. or perhaps even make it a VA panel like the way EIZO touts their own, as being somewhat "better". It's a 'gaming' monitor so its going to be like every other 'gaming' monitor - image quality is going to come a distant second to response time
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We may need a thread title change soon - Toshiba laptops with 15.6" 4K display. ~293 PPI.
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Factory Factory posted:We may need a thread title change soon - Toshiba laptops with 15.6" 4K display. ~293 PPI. Its too bad windows DPI scaling is still horribly broken.
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Don Lapre posted:Its too bad windows DPI scaling is still horribly broken. Really want to see a non-scaling windows program with sub-millimeter-tall text now.
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Factory Factory posted:We may need a thread title change soon - Toshiba laptops with 15.6" 4K display. ~293 PPI. If that was a standalone monitor I'd buy it in a second. Glad to know the panel now exists. GPUs are probably never going to catch up to monitors from here on out, are they?
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well, GPUs are going to get better and better, whereas even 4K isn't going to be mainstream for at least another couple years (there aren't really any 4K sources, and good luck getting 4K netflix and poo poo in the US), so there'll probably be some sort of equilibrium like there was with 1080p a few years ago. If res quadruples again any time soon I guess you're hosed unless you scale down to 4K but that'll still look good, so.
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GPUs will catch up. The Apple standard for "retina" resolution for a display is about 53 pixels per degree of arc (PPD; the human eye at 20/20 vision can resolve about 0.3 arcminute or ~0.005 degrees, which is three times that, but let's go with Apple for the moment). The 15.6" 4K display is about 98 PPD. So we can't get THAT much bigger without hitting even theoretical limits, and this display is probably well more pixels than is practical.
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So why did TV's skip 1440p totally? Was it too small of a jump (hah) for the average person to notice?
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:I can see where you're coming from. I think I was repulsed a little when I happened upon a dumb post from another forum basically saying "ASUS didn't mention what type of panel it was, so it must be lovely TN because they didn't want to draw peoples' attention to that fact". El Scotch posted:Anandtech's liveblog comment: Alereon fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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4K is fine and dandy but let's be real. Until ISPs remove data caps, 4K isn't going to get any love soon. My family back home (2 parents, 3 kids - 2 of them gamers) easily hit their 250gb cap between PS3, Netflix, Steam game downloads, and HD YouTube videos. I mentioned that Redbox instant was available to them since they use it so often, but then they're already hitting their cap and paying overages constantly that it's not really viable for them right now. e: For content, I've been waiting for the WASD CODE keyboards to come back, but it's looking bleak. I thought about doing their customized keyboards but they don't have backlit keys. Is there an alternative company that does custom keyboards with backlits?
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kloa posted:4K is fine and dandy but let's be real. Until ISPs remove data caps, 4K isn't going to get any love soon. I saw a video about Ducky's new line of keyboards (IIRC, they're green or yellow) and from the looks of them they didn't have keys painted on the keyboard and it was backlit as well. Also there's a keyboard thread in this subforum that would be a better place to ask  .
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Alereon posted:I think Sidesaddle Cavalry is on the right track and this may actually be a 1440p MVA panel, like the 1080p one used in the Eizo Foris FG2421. These panels have a claimed 1ms response time and officially support 120Hz, and at a glance they look visually somewhere between TN and IPS. They do have off-axis color shift so they aren't good where you'd use IPS, but they aren't NEARLY as bad as TN so colors don't look weird just from moving around or slouching in your computer chair. I have read that they also don't use (or benefit from) overdrive, which simplifies designs. I'm really curious now on the timeline/availability of AMD's 'free-sync'. If this monitor from Asus (or something similar from other makers) basically gets the review of 'yeah, it's not IPS but it's still really good for not being IPS' then it'll be awfully tempting to go back to team green and try one of those monitors. My biggest resistance to g-sync thus far as been my refusal to go back to something less than 1440p.
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El Scotch posted:I want something like LG's new 34" 1440p 21:9 with G-Sync. KingEup posted:That would be the perfect monitor and too much to expect from this stupid industry. Ruin Completely posted:You can't fault anyone for not doing it considering like 6 people would actually buy one. On reflection, I agree. Who would want this ghastly thing:  Edit: http://www.displaywars.com/34-inch-21x9-vs-27-inch-16x9 KingEup fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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Factory Factory posted:We may need a thread title change soon - Toshiba laptops with 15.6" 4K display. ~293 PPI. Doesn't mention whether it'll be IPS or not. Plus, the size and aspect ratio of Chromebook Pixel is still pretty unique and stand-out.
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Hey guys, I have some questions about 4k monitors. For one, I poked around on newegg and there don't seem to be any real 4k monitors for sale, only 3840x2160 ones. And there are only two models available. Is 4k still too new to really be available? If I want to push 4096x2160 (assuming I can get/afford such a display) do I need a graphics card that supports displayport or can I run it off of DVI? I'd like a 30" 4k display with accurate color for photo editing. I don't think I want to compromise and get a 1440p or 1600p monitor but I guess that depends on when I can expect to see prices drop below $2000 for a 30" 4k with accurate color. If it's still 2 or 3 years away I might have to settle.
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My question is once you're dealing with 3840 horizontal pixels, what difference will 256 pixels make? Are 256 horizontal pixels really make or break for you?
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Coredump posted:My question is once you're dealing with 3840 horizontal pixels, what difference will 256 pixels make? Are 256 horizontal pixels really make or break for you?
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Coredump posted:My question is once you're dealing with 3840 horizontal pixels, what difference will 256 pixels make? Are 256 horizontal pixels really make or break for you? No it's not. I thought it was weird that the displays I was seeing advertised as 4k weren't 4096.
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Dren posted:No it's not. I thought it was weird that the displays I was seeing advertised as 4k weren't 4096. Ohhhhh, I see what you're saying now. My bad.
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Dren posted:Hey guys, I have some questions about 4k monitors. For one, I poked around on newegg and there don't seem to be any real 4k monitors for sale, only 3840x2160 ones. And there are only two models available. Is 4k still too new to really be available? Dren posted:If I want to push 4096x2160 (assuming I can get/afford such a display) do I need a graphics card that supports displayport or can I run it off of DVI? Dren posted:I'd like a 30" 4k display with accurate color for photo editing. I don't think I want to compromise and get a 1440p or 1600p monitor but I guess that depends on when I can expect to see prices drop below $2000 for a 30" 4k with accurate color. If it's still 2 or 3 years away I might have to settle.
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Thanks for the info DrDork. I'll wait and see what's available in 6 months to a year from now. I'm willing to spend more to get something more like what I really want, especially if I'm gonna have to wait to get it and I can save up in the meantime. One thing I've learned from photography is that the poor man pays twice. It looks like the monitors need time to mature too, the two virtual displays thing sounds hinky to me. Looking at the prices for current 1440p and 1600p NEC color accurate displays that ship with color calibration hardware I seriously doubt that under $2000 is a realistic price point for a color accurate 30" 4k display. I think I'm willing to compromise on size and get a 27" or 28" as long as the color is good enough and there is 4k resolution. That Lenovo display sounds like it could be promising.
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I'm torn between the larger (36 inch+) 4k "monitors" that aren't really deskable for most people and the smaller (<30 inch) ones that are going to have really tiny text without any scaling when viewed at normal desk distances. It just seems that for conventional usage: "its a monitor sitting on its factory stand on a desk" there's a fairly small sweet spot for 4k monitor size. I guess on the plus side for smaller you could always just play games on FHD and get crazy mad FPS for those of us who already have 1440p or 1600p capable rigs.
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Dell has a 32" 4K display with 99% AdobeRGB coverage. List price is $3500 but maybe it will go down? http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=210-ACBL
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Unless you're doing like specific imaging applications or you have like six GTX780 Ti's, I feel like 4k on monitors under 40" is wasted on Windows because of how bad the scaling is. Or am I totally off on that? I really just want like a 42" 4k monitor because I have a ridiculous desk and priorities.
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fookolt posted:Unless you're doing like specific imaging applications or you have like six GTX780 Ti's, I feel like 4k on monitors under 40" is wasted on Windows because of how bad the scaling is. Or am I totally off on that? I really just want like a 42" 4k monitor because I have a ridiculous desk and priorities. I'm with you on this feeling. Until Windows and other applications can scale their UI's better the extra resolution becomes wasted at a point. But the push for this to happen wouldn't come until these monitors came out, so we're kinda at a chicken and egg point.
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Coredump posted:I'm with you on this feeling. Until Windows and other applications can scale their UI's better the extra resolution becomes wasted at a point. But the push for this to happen wouldn't come until these monitors came out, so we're kinda at a chicken and egg point.
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Windows 8.1 scales fine. It's the applications that can't scale worth poo poo, and these applications tell Windows that they're High DPI aware and do their own lovely scaling instead of letting Windows handle it. Windows App Store apps scale perfectly fine.
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DrDork posted:The upside is that, since 4k is simply 2x1080p, scaling is stupid-easy, to the point where even Microsoft should be able to get it right. The problem with trying to scale to x1440 or x1600 is that there's no sensible whole multiple to use, so you have to figure out dithering and aliasing and crap, which is a lot harder. Which is why we should stick to a 2:1 aspect ratio. Mmhmm.
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GrizzlyCow posted:Windows 8.1 scales fine. It's the applications that can't scale worth poo poo, and these applications tell Windows that they're High DPI aware and do their own lovely scaling instead of letting Windows handle it. Windows App Store apps scale perfectly fine. Microsoft actually doesn't get enough credit for this. They had display scaling in, what? Vista? The only problem is that nothing takes advantage of it. Businesses and consumers both use a tremendous amount of legacy software that was written for Windows 2000 or Windows XP (or even earlier), and these applications will likely never see a reasonable UI refresh. The general move to web-based front-ends hasn't helped things any, although even there designers ought to be leveraging dynamic scaling (e.g. SVG graphics) more regularly. Personally, I find it odd that most "all-in-one" PCs have glossy monitors, but most standalone monitors do not. Fanboys rave about Apple's displays, but then bitch about any non-Apple that doesn't have a matte display. I just want a trio of 24" glossy, frameless, IPS monitors with response times < 5ms, 100% sRGB coverage, and VESA mounting, for under $200 USD. Is that too much to ask?
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Alereon posted:I think Sidesaddle Cavalry is on the right track and this may actually be a 1440p MVA panel, like the 1080p one used in the Eizo Foris FG2421. These panels have a claimed 1ms response time and officially support 120Hz, and at a glance they look visually somewhere between TN and IPS. They do have off-axis color shift so they aren't good where you'd use IPS, but they aren't NEARLY as bad as TN so colors don't look weird just from moving around or slouching in your computer chair. I have read that they also don't use (or benefit from) overdrive, which simplifies designs.
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IPS 1440p g-sync (or free-sync if they make it work) will come; not sure when though. I was hoping we'd see something at CES but so far no dice. :|
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