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Keetron posted:He was joking right? Nope! Quarter end means don't you dare think of actually taking a break! That'd be great and all but we've been doing 10-11 hour days since October.
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White Phosphorus posted:Some bigwig recently: "We are looking to repenetrate the customer". If you work in a B2B (or especially a B2G) environment, he was just being honest: you're probably raping your customers.
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Xibanya posted:Nope! Quarter end means don't you dare think of actually taking a break! gently caress, that sucks. Does he fear the light and can he only come in when invited? Oh try a mirror!
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Yesterday was a good day. I found out I'm finally getting my own office with a door I can close. I just need to wait for the existing occupants to get out, which will probably be some time this next week.
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Kreeblah posted:Yesterday was a good day. I found out I'm finally getting my own office with a door I can close. I just need to wait for the existing occupants to get out, which will probably be some time this next week. Nice! Where I work, the entire building is cubes. No offices even for the C-suite. Of course because of this the C-suite is hardly ever here. Yep, no offices for legal, HR, or finance, because they really need to collaborate, gently caress privacy.
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I wish I had a cube. My office has an "open plan," where desks without partitions are arranged in groups of four - 3 flunkies per 1 manager - which means not even one minute can be spent cyber-slacking. One can't even take a minute to stare off into space and collect one's thoughts before the manager comes by to offer some "professional development." So I've started taking adderall at recreational doses in order to make it through the work day and one of the managers took me aside and commended me for improving my attitude. Looks like I picked a bad year to quit taking amphetamines.
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Xibanya posted:I wish I had a cube. My office has an "open plan," where desks without partitions are arranged in groups of four - 3 flunkies per 1 manager - which means not even one minute can be spent cyber-slacking. One can't even take a minute to stare off into space and collect one's thoughts before the manager comes by to offer some "professional development." Come in early and pick the desk that is in a corner and with the back to a wall. Assuming of course that you can pick you desk, as we have all flex-seating. The people coming in at 7:30 can pick the best sports. When someone asks me why I am staring in space, I tell the truth: - I am contemplating my existance - My work is done and I am giving my eyes some rest - Thinking about how to approach this task - Thinking about how to screw over our client while getting away with it and receiving a bonus / raise. The more honest the better, comedy options with a straight face are fun too.
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We went to an open plan last year, and it's been a disaster. Two of our longest-tenured managers who had their own offices got demoted to 1/4 of an open office, so they lost their ability to secretly not do work in favor of openly not doing work. This established the intended camaraderie, though, as both of them have established "I won't squeal if you won't" pacts with the coworkers in their respective layouts so now everybody does less work! They also had the bright idea of taking some of our guys and having them shill our new website layout via cold calls...in an open office layout with no walls or sound dampening of any kind, in a room that's somewhat of an echo chamber. Sure they could stagger calls so only one is on the phone at a time but why be logical when you can be petty? They all make their cold sales calls at the same time (coupled with the occasional intra-office call from those of us fortunate enough to not be on shill duty) so their shoddy uninspired sales pitches are as unintelligible as possible. We get "I can't hear the person I'm talking to over the chatter in the background" as feedback to these calls (when we get feedback; who knew just randomly calling somebody and trying to sell them something wouldn't be a great marketing strategy?) as a not-so-subtle reminder to the head honcho what a bad layout this has turned out to be. Not surprisingly, the three people most in favor of the new open office layout are the boss's favorite two employees (whose layout didn't change at all, and in fact they got walls around their area so they're shielded from prying eyes and at least some of the racket coming from the open offices on either side) & one of the head honcho's kids who turned a conference room into his own personal office.
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visceril posted:Nice! Where I work, the entire building is cubes. No offices even for the C-suite. Of course because of this the C-suite is hardly ever here. So, I've been a manager here for almost two years without an office because they didn't have enough of them. My boss told me he'd try to get me one, but it probably wouldn't happen until we expanded enough to need to lease more office space and there was a big reshuffle. That's what's happening and he came through for me. The sad thing is that I'm mostly excited because it means doing one on ones with my team won't be a huge pain in the rear end anymore. I've had to find conference rooms for them, which has meant they've been a lot spottier than I'd like.
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On Friday an email came in to berate me for some minor thing (I left early) and that I should tell my colleague about this who apparently got promoted to be my line manager now. This being an Indian company and me as a western employee is turning out to be a mismatch and this is becoming more obvious by the week now. Time to whip out the good old disobedience and just do what I think it best for the projects and myself while trying to find another job. Good thing is that it is obviously the new year as I received some calls from head hunters a direct email from one C-level guy who is looking for a Project manager. gently caress, I am so pissed off now.
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Kreeblah posted:So, I've been a manager here for almost two years without an office because they didn't have enough of them. My boss told me he'd try to get me one, but it probably wouldn't happen until we expanded enough to need to lease more office space and there was a big reshuffle. That's what's happening and he came through for me. Yes that is our building. All of the former corners offices are conference rooms now, and managers get slightly larger cubes. I'm mostly pissed because for some reason I, in corporate finance, sit right next to marketing people who are always talking to each other or on the phones. I started to bring in noise canceling headphones so I could focus on my spreadsheets, but them my VP told me it gave off the wrong optics so now I'm doing the weak iPhone buds in one ear. Sometimes I really get the feeling that the true purpose of the open floor plan is to create a panopticon and not real estate costs or whatever
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Our old manager was planning a redesign of the room, and it had just gotten started when he found himself a new job and left. Nobody was left in charge of it and it became a giant clusterfuck. The plan was to remove the offices in the back, and replace the half cubes with rows of desks so that we'd have more desk for people to sit, since we were running into space issues where we had more employees than desks, as well as a corporate mandate to share our space with other troubleshooting groups so we could work more closely together. By removing the office, we could fit an extra row of desks. When the contractors came to remove the wall to the office, they found immovable structural supports in the wall, as well as all of the ethernet for the room. So they left the wall there, but punched a hole in the middle of the wall and replastered it. Then they installed the new desks anyway, but couldn't fit the new row. So what we have now are flat, uncomfortable rows of desks with no net increase of seats and a hole in the wall that I have no doubt we spent millions on. The plaster on the hole in the wall is falling apart as well, and the corners have cardboard taped to it so nobody cuts themselves on it. Also the desks are too high and don't have rounded edges, so I go home every day with bruises on my arms from leaning on them too much. And six months later, over half of the patch panels stopped working as well and nobody knows who's responsibility it is to fix.
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The true point of an open floor plan is to make some hr schmuck's career because it is the biggest change you can implement without having to help workers (the fact that it actively ruins their quality of life is a feature) That or some misguided monied rear end in a top hat thinks it will make his company "more like Google"
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Good has dedicated nap rooms for their employees. I want a nap room. We should be more like Google and have a nap room.
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We actually have a nap room - it's right next to the HR directors office. 
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Nap rooms don't mean poo poo if valuing employees isn't part of your corporate culture. When I worked at "Canadian consultancy whose American arm botched the Obamacare launch" we had nap rooms. And someone would go tell your manager if you were in there taking a time out for yourself.
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We have an open floorplan and most of us really like it. But it's only for IT and Development so there's only like 18 of us in one large room. We all have really large desks (no cube walls) and we have them structured so everyone who really wanted their back to the wall has their backs to the wall. One wall in the room is windows so lots of light gets in. Everyone also gets along really well and are courteous to each other. We mostly take personal calls out in the hall, and those of us who have desk phones have headsets so we can hear and talk comfortably. We also feel fine telling people to quiet down if they're being too loud. We used to have a nap room but it got taken away in a move, so the Xbox got moved to another empty office and the couch is in my boss' office. He doesn't mind if we need to lay down for a bit in there. We also have a lounge for the entire office (though it's in a semi-busy area) that has couches and laptop desks for comfortable working if you want to get out of the big room. Mostly it works for us because we all really like each other, our company culture is pretty great, and have jobs where we're naturally pretty quiet but do actually need to collaborate. I can see how in most situations it wouldn't work.
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I love my office... "We can't input anything for 2014 billing into our computer system until 2014 because of magical reasons we're not telling you" *my assistant, the one who inputs stuff into the billing system leaves at the end of 2013; company won't discuss replacement during 2013* "Please ensure you have everything that need to be billed for January in the system by end of day" Yep, that ain't happening. Luckily I have the power to just straight up say it isn't happening, but still, they put the rule in place saying not to do something (for no specific reason) and then don't bother to consider the repercussions of that direction.
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HipGnosis posted:Nap rooms don't mean poo poo if valuing employees isn't part of your corporate culture. When I worked at "Canadian consultancy whose American arm botched the Obamacare launch" we had nap rooms. And someone would go tell your manager if you were in there taking a time out for yourself. Worked for this same company and indeed, they give no poo poo about their employees unless it is about retention and turnover being to high. Recently I cane to the horrible realization that: Companies that care about their employees AND pay well can afford to hire only the best as they have so many applicants to choose from My (and that of many others in this thread) work history is companies who do not give a poo poo and pay mediocre No job offers came in for anything but this Conclusion can only be that I am a mediocre employee and get the work environment fitting that. Basically, I suck as much as the company I work for because if I had the possibility I would move. The hard reality is always this. Does your job suck but you cannot find anything else? You found your best possible spot in the current job market. Free market working in the job market.
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HipGnosis posted:Nap rooms don't mean poo poo if valuing employees isn't part of your corporate culture. It never ceases to amaze me how toxic and downright sadistic most 'corporate cultures' have become. I know I've picked some unfuckingbelievable companies to work for, but you should see the ones I've rejected offers from. Paraphrasing an interview with the head of a pharma company site in Lincoln, Nebraska: "If you take this job, I'm going to yell and scream at you all day long to push you to higher productivity. You're going to go home crying at the end of the day. You could make a 25% increase in output this year, but I'll still fire you if it's only 2% next year. CAN YOU HANDLE THE PRESSURE?" Nope! I'd rather be unemployed, and that's why I rejected their oh so generous (ha) offer. 
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We're in a brand new building and our main office was supposed to have walls giving each of us offices. Instead, they ran out of money and nobody has an office, including the Director and VP, who have cubes. They have their own cubes, we mostly share. This is dumb because any time the VP or Director have to take a confidential phone call they have to take it on their cell and go into a conference room since those have walls and doors. They get less work done, and we have one less conference room we're allowed to book for our actual project meetings.
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Sundae posted:It never ceases to amaze me how toxic and downright sadistic most 'corporate cultures' have become. I know I've picked some unfuckingbelievable companies to work for, but you should see the ones I've rejected offers from. And the really sick thing is that person probably got your rejection and thought, "phew, really dodged a bullet on that one. Glad we didn't hire someone who couldn't handle our awesome, pressure filled, bullshit environment." Rather than, "drat. Maybe there's something wrong with us that needs to be addressed."
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quote:Rather than, "drat. Maybe there's something wrong with us that needs to be addressed." The part they don't ever seem to understand is that stressful environments cause mistakes. In any health-related industry, mistakes are very bad. Excessive, unrealistic goals and pressure cause things like this happen... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-novartis-pill-mix-up-may-involve-prescription-painkillers/ http://journalstar.com/business/local/novartis-to-cut-jobs-at-lincoln-plant/article_f79ca02e-3217-594a-8a61-b1d0cf5f0b85.html Bullet dodged.
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Keetron posted:The hard reality is always this. Does your job suck but you cannot find anything else? You found your best possible spot in the current job market. Free market working in the job market. Alternately, you live in an area with lovely jobs or you just don't market yourself very well, or you don't interview very well. Learn Android, make a few Android apps, work for a lovely consulting company, and watch your star ascend if you are so highly competent as to understand what a for loop is.
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Layoffs this week, after promise upon promise that no one would lose their job as part of this budget bullshit. Not sure if I'll still be employed at the end of the week, especially since some dickhole spread a false rumor I was leaving next month to upper management  Also our heat's broken and they're taking their sweet time fixing it.
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Note: I am trying my best to get the gently caress out of here. I'm supposed to have an interview this week, but it hasn't been scheduled yet. With that said, here's the latest on this sinking ship that is my place of work. Dec 6th, 2013: QA coworker #1 puts in 2 weeks notice. Dec 16th, 2013: QA coworker #2 puts in his 2 weeks notice. As he is in my manager's office talking about it, QA coworker #3 (in Arizona) contacts manager over internal chat...to tell him he is putting in his notice. Dec 17-Jan 5: I'm on vacation and have a promising phone interview. They want to bring me in for an onsite, but hey Christmas and New Year's fucks everyone's schedules. Jan 6, 2014: I come in to work bright and early ready to work. By noon, 3 more people (a manager, the lead build guy, and a hotshot support girl) have put in their notice. This leaves 2 QA people in my office (me and a guy that was hired last January) and one in Arizona (been with this group for at least 7 years). This also means that almost all of my resources for this particular product are gone. Are we backfilling any positions? Hell gently caress no! Why would they do that? I know what I'm working on for now but if I can't GTFO soon I'm positive I will be back on at least 3 products (all products in this group have the same release schedule. We're all one big ball of gently caress You) and responsible for a ridiculously large amount of work being done on the legacy products. One would think "Ah, but that means you are valuable and you can get them to pay you more!" BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Management has no power to do anything than offer a 5% raise. This is not a small mom-and-pop outfit. This company has been around for literally over 100 years. If this is not a sign that I and anyone else with any kind of talent in this department should jump ship, I don't know what is.
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Edit: never mind. Just having some corporate flashbacks. Watching Office Space this weekend was a bad idea. Topanga, some things you wrote sound eerily similar to the place I escaped from a year ago. I learned that in the year since, they have had five people try to fill my former QA position, but they have all either gotten fired or quit. This was a $52K/year glorified filing position, but the management there is such poo poo that nobody wants to stick around longer than a few months. But what incentive do you have to be good management when the new head of one of your divisions has been outed as outright lying about having went to college, yet still gets to keep his job because he's one of the CEO's cronies? New Weave Wendy fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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New Weave Wendy posted:Edit: never mind. Just having some corporate flashbacks. Watching Office Space this weekend was a bad idea. I caught the name pre-edit. That place has one hell of a bad reputation, and I don't think I've ever heard about anyone having a reasonable, fulfilling career there.
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topenga posted:Are we backfilling any positions? Hell gently caress no! Why would they do that? When I agreed to take a promotion they told me they would backfill my old position and I'd hand off my projects to that person. After I signed the paperwork they told me they didn't have the money to backfill it so I just have all my old projects plus my new job. I am closing old projects as fast as I can at this point.
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New Weave Wendy posted:Edit: never mind. Just having some corporate flashbacks. Watching Office Space this weekend was a bad idea. This happened at another software company I worked for too. I was there Feb 2010-June 2011 and they hired and fired 4 technical writers during my time and I've seen the posting for the positions come up about 10 times since.
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This has been quite the interesting thread - I perused the entire thing over the holidays and it's saddening seeing the corporate culture is alive and well, perhaps now more than ever. My exposure to the lying, the backstabbing and the outright hostility in the workplace began in the Mecca of corporate culture: tower number two of the World Trade Center, where I was regarded as little more than a knuckle-dragging lackey at a fiduciary back. Sure, the buildings are no longer there, but the overall culture is chugging right along, full steam ahead. I left the east coast for middle America and reinvented myself in the tech sector a decade later and suffered another several years of the cube farms, different managers quarterly (few of whom even knew what my team did), simultaneous conference calls between the two phones at my desk, back-to-back meetings all day long, deciphering the season's newest buzzwords that cryptically described nothing at all and dodging the ever-looming tap on the shoulder from an HR douche. Eventually, my team designed and implemented an online ordering system completely devoid of bugs and were summarily given walking papers (along with six months' full salary as compensation). Lesson learned: don't deliver perfect products - leave some scattered problems here-n-there for better job security. Not everyone there was bad, though. I made a lifelong friend in an officemate when we bonded over 1) our fondness of whiskey and 2) our hared of the sales teams. True, a salesman will say or do drat-near anything to seal the deal and collect his/her commission check, but some of these people were pieces of work. Perhaps the best example of the type of hijinks they'd pull was selling more space in a colocation facility rack than was physically available. I could only image the conversation sounding something along the lines of, "You need to put seven servers in space designed and wired for six? That's okay - our guys can make it work. They might have to mount one of 'em sideways to fit and splice some cables, but it'll be fine, trust me. Oh, and sign right here." I was the bearer of bad news on more than one occasion when the install didn't happen as promised until my team convinced a VP with some actual authority to allow us to tweak a few features of the installation and provisioning software. Most important move we implemented was replacing the free-form field describing the number of components with a drop-down list dependent on rack location; a salesman couldn't simply type "6" in a space designed for five pieces of equipment. His only options from the drop-down were 0 to 5 and the order would not process without acceptable values selected. Naturally, this resulted in more than a few extremely irate phone calls to my team from the sales people and their bosses' bosses, but we were prepared: we'd received complete buyoff from the highest ranking guy we could find and he was gracious enough to accept responsibility for the decision while we did the real tasks of creating seamless interfaces and keeping the sales people honest (what a novel concept - an honest salesman!). I overheard the VP's side of the conversations when he addressed the manchildren who were no longer able to lie their way into fat commission checks and the type and volume of his language reminded us that we'd never, ever want to occupy space on his poo poo list, but he was the kinda guy to where you had nothing to fear so long as you did your best given the information you were provided, worked with the company's best interests in mind and most importantly, stuck by the decision your group made, because even if it wasn't the best choice, those involved were steadfast in their decisions and if nothing else, the whole thing could serve as a learning point sometime later on down the line. These days I pay bills by working in the non-profit sector (helping people!) and don't intend on returning to the corporate/business environment if I can help it. Yeah, I kinda miss the income, but that's about the only thing. As I've aged, I've come to greatly appreciate a regular schedule and especially my supervisor's understanding that if I can plow through my day's work in a few hours, usually less than that, the rest of the day is mine to enjoy: reading the forums, self-studying programming, youtube, whatever. The boss is occasionally a stickler for our being at work on time (well, at least within ten minutes of start time or so); all else is conditional at best. Another added plus about working in this particular agency is overtime, or rather the lack thereof. Time-and-a-half work/pay aren't even written into our annual budget, so the concept simply doesn't exist. I work weekdays, banker's hours, with an hour for lunch and we're closed on postal holidays. The normalcy of the schedule and the fact that I work with some pretty cool people trumps the limited income without a doubt, as far as I'm concerned. 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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good on you, dude. The Berzerker posted:When I agreed to take a promotion they told me they would backfill my old position and I'd hand off my projects to that person. After I signed the paperwork they told me they didn't have the money to backfill it so I just have all my old projects plus my new job. I am closing old projects as fast as I can at this point. We've been bitching about backfilling for a couple of years. They finally stopped lying and just admitted they weren't going to. Not only are we not going to hire anyone, they aren't going to allocate any "resources" (because we're not people, right?) from India (kill me) or China (motherfucking rockstars). I can't help but laugh and laugh because I simply don't care anymore. I gave up being angry long ago.
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I was headhunted and had a phone interview yesterday, the question is do I leave my nice government job for something that would require me to deal with real pressure.
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sbaldrick posted:I was headhunted and had a phone interview yesterday, the question is do I leave my nice government job for something that would require me to deal with real pressure. Do you value money over sanity, hard work over time off? Define for yourself how much money the increase would need to be to deal with the pressure, the bullshit, the long hours and continuous looming layoffs then multiply that by two and if your new job offers you more then go for it. More content: today I received another berating email for my lack of visibility so I asked (by email, stupid I know) if my boss could provide me with a metric to follow, be it results or time and to pick one. Wonder how that will go. Anyway, the client still loves me and demanded my name on the list of people allocated to a certain project so I am enjoying that cushy position while it lasts.
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sbaldrick posted:I was headhunted and had a phone interview yesterday, the question is do I leave my nice government job for something that would require me to deal with real pressure. I have two jobs (while in school), both government. Yesterday at one of them one of my co-workers had a problem; she got a call from her husband that none of the plumbing was working at her apartment, due to the extreme cold we've been having. She left early - at about 2:30p - to get back home and try to thaw things out before a pipe burst and caused a lot of damage. Had she been working at one of the corporate places I was at before going back to school, she'd have been forced to stay. Regardless of the manager knowing a pipe might burst and her apartment would flood as a result.
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sbaldrick posted:I was headhunted and had a phone interview yesterday, the question is do I leave my nice government job for something that would require me to deal with real pressure. Keetron posted:Worked for this same company and indeed, they give no poo poo about their employees unless it is about retention and turnover being to high. Recently I cane to the horrible realization that:
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sbaldrick posted:I was headhunted and had a phone interview yesterday, the question is do I leave my nice government job for something that would require me to deal with real pressure. I realize you might not be in the same spot, I left (local) government for industry just over two years ago. I don't what everyone else is talking about, because although I had "union" representation it was worthless. I worked long awful hours (drat near mandatory 13 hour overnights, whenever it snowed which included Christmas four years in a row); didn't get overtime, just got comp time which couldn't be taken at my discretion; significantly lower than market pay; a pension that included the extremely comforting phrase in the yearly pamphlet: "PERS will be there for you, it's guaranteed by law!" (Great, good thing those never change, especially in the direction of reducing earned benefits for public employees.); inept and horrible management; rampant cronyism; continuous discrimination lawsuits against management, including one against the loving HR director (nearly all founded or settled in the claimants favor); sure you can't get fired, but we can eliminate your position due to "downsizing" and "budget issues" if we want you gone. Honestly I identify much more of the complaints in this thread with my old gov'mint job than what I've experienced at my actual corporate job. I hemmed and hawed over leaving, but the thing that really got me off my rear end was the realization that I could either sit at the same desk, and do the same work for thirty years until I died or retired or I could go out and actually challenge myself. I chose the latter, and I haven't looked back once. (The only thing I miss is the good health insurance, but I just went from good to middling and made up for it in the pay structure, and bonuses help too) catspleen fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Feb 28, 2016 |
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