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It makes me curious if the Tea Party will evolve into a racist, worker's party once the GOP tries to sever ties to it.
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I firmly believe that the fantasy of there being an actual split between GOP and the Tea Party will never happen. At best, they'll just get quieter, stop explicitly trying to primary people in the Tea Party's name, and continue to vote Republican.
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Jan 7, 2014 21:50
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Radish posted:It makes me curious if the Tea Party will evolve into a racist, worker's party once the GOP tries to sever ties to it. ...and the circle is complete  The GOP will likely remain home to a segment that identifies as white before identifying as working class for the foreseeable future though. /\ There's something to be said for their tow the line/authoritarian mentality too. I fall back on it coming down to which Rs are in congress after this year's election. e: doh Erghh fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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Jan 7, 2014 21:59
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Erghh posted:...and the circle is complete  I think the Tea Party will just slip into obscurity, probably once Obama is gone. They have a few pet issues that are mostly just dependent on the times, even if they'd have you believe they've been around forever. They're mostly concerned with lack of jobs and a black man in office. Once those issues are solved I expect them to disappear.
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Jan 7, 2014 22:08
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Happy birthday Michelle from all of US! Taxpayers foot the bill for First Lady's extended..quote:To: C19fan quote:To: Gaffer quote:To: C19fan quote:To: C19fan Moochie is out of town?! Think of all the gay sex Obama is having! I can just picture it in my mind right now  quote:To: C19fan Robert E. Lee: American Patriot and Southern Hero quote:To: Politicalkiddo quote:To: BigReb555 quote:To: stinkerpot65  quote:To: tomkat  No! Wait! Obamacare is slavery! quote:To: BigReb555 This is pretty obvious, even today  quote:To: BigReb555
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Jan 7, 2014 22:08
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kik2dagroin posted:They go on to have a passive aggressive slap fight for several more exchanges So did the South/CSA apologists ever address rockrr's point?
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Jan 7, 2014 22:15
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Zwabu posted:So did the South/CSA apologists ever address rockrr's point? He probably gets the zot. Can't have dissenting opinions.
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Jan 7, 2014 22:23
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It's kind of crazy, even by Freep standards, that you can't even say "hey guys slavery was pretty bad" without everybody turning on you, Invasion of the Body Snatchers style, and accusing you of being a liberal plant. I know they're nuts, I know, but it still bugs me that they discuss slavery as though it were just some other controversial government policy. In fact it is an issue of liberty but not in the way that they seem to think!
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Jan 7, 2014 22:42
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Zwabu posted:So did the South/CSA apologists ever address rockrr's point? If we had just waited a bit longer the issue of slavery would have just went away *ignores about a hundred of years of exactly this happening in American history* This one is pretty good too quote:To: BigReb555 
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Jan 7, 2014 22:47
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kik2dagroin posted:Nope. They do discuss slavery a bit elsewhere in the thread, but it plays out much like you would expect on an extreme right-wing site: the North imposing its will on the South unjustly. It's almost as if the Southerners, set upon by the aggressive and more powerful North, were the REAL slaves!  Except that, in a more correct sense, the people held in literal bondage and forced into lives of brutal servitude performing back breaking labor through the threat and performance of acts of brutal violence and murder were in fact, the real slaves. 
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Jan 7, 2014 22:55
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quote:These statist fools believe that the Civil War was about slavery. Even Lincoln wasn’t in favor of freeing them. Oh cool! So I guess Freepers will stop saying that the Republicans are the party that ended slavery and that Lincoln is proof the Dems are racist, right? 
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Jan 7, 2014 22:59
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"In protest of national holiday recognition, I am causing my own daughter undue harm in her learning and development." That'll show us libs. Except it really will when his daughter doesn't learn how to think critically and escape from the spiral that is her family's politics
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Jan 7, 2014 23:03
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Ainsley McTree posted:I know they're nuts, I know, but it still bugs me that they discuss slavery as though it were just some other controversial government policy. I'm waiting for them to argue that all those businesses in the South actually wanted to serve black customers, but they were prevented from doing so by Jim Crow laws.
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Jan 7, 2014 23:05
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Holy poo poo they are literally defending slavery.
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Jan 7, 2014 23:31
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PUGGERNAUT posted:Holy poo poo they are literally defending slavery. I've seen a lot of 'the slaves actually had it BETTER than today' poo poo, but this is one of the first times I've seen them outright say 'the South was right.'
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Jan 7, 2014 23:40
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quote:There are Robert E. Lee haters on this site. They will even send you to websites that accuse Lee of the most hideous crimes. But if you are going to criticize Lee for owning his wife or father-in-law’s slaves, then you are going to have to condemn George Washington as well. Okay, let's do that.
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Jan 7, 2014 23:45
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Lycus posted:Okay, let's do that. I mean, have you ever seen a liberal criticize Thomas Jefferson or any of the founding fathers for owning slaves? I haven't looked but
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TravBot posted:"In protest of national holiday recognition, I am causing my own daughter undue harm in her learning and development."
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Jan 8, 2014 01:07
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PUGGERNAUT posted:Holy poo poo they are literally defending slavery. After Mandela's death Freep responded with page after page with about how awesome Apartheid was for them ungrateful coloreds and what a monster Mandela was for ending it. That Freepers would be slavery apologists is hardly surprising.
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Jan 8, 2014 01:11
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kik2dagroin posted:I thought it was more amusing saying MLK "did not knowingly confront those who would like to kill him" when in fact he did exactly that and was assassinated for doing it. Yet somehow he is below a soldier and shouldn't be honored? They mean that he didn't shoot, blowup, or waterboard them.
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Jan 8, 2014 01:18
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Man, how the hell can someone write apologia for slavery and in the same breath insist that no, they are not the real racist? I can't comprehend it, my brain straight up refuses to recognize that someone can hold the belief that slavery was okay and that they aren't racist as racist can be. I find myself wanting to write them off as mindless parrots totally incapable of understanding actual concepts, and that they just mindlessly regurgitate whatever right wing garbage they've been spoonfed but that's coming awfully close to dehumanizing them and I'm really getting worried that I'm starting to do that. Christ what a horrible bunch of misanthropes. If we could somehow harness freeper hate as an energy source we wouldn't need the sun anymore.
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Pokemaster #421 posted:Man, how the hell can someone write apologia for slavery and in the same breath insist that no, they are not the real racist? I can't comprehend it, my brain straight up refuses to recognize that someone can hold the belief that slavery was okay and that they aren't racist as racist can be. I find myself wanting to write them off as mindless parrots totally incapable of understanding actual concepts, and that they just mindlessly regurgitate whatever right wing garbage they've been spoonfed but that's coming awfully close to dehumanizing them and I'm really getting worried that I'm starting to do that. Christ what a horrible bunch of misanthropes. If we could somehow harness freeper hate as an energy source we wouldn't need the sun anymore. 2. Slavery introduced them to the saving grace of our Lord, Jesus Christ (unprovable) 3. Slavery meant that black people are now living in The Greatest Country In The World instead of in Africa (seriously) 4. The Southerners of the Civil War were eager to get rid of slavery (so much bullshit; Eli Whitney's cotton gin reversed any trends away from black chattel slavery, and early efforts at slave-worked industrial facilities got good results from an economic perspective) 5. It wasn't ABOUT RACE, because some blacks became slaveowners (while there were a handful of freed blacks who did own slaves, these were very decidedly edge cases) 6. It wasn't ABOUT RACE, because there were also white slaves (whites were certainly indentured servants but there were strong trends against it in favor of chattel slavery, and any putative difference in treatment between your temporary servant and your permanent slave is, as with point 1, highly fuckin dubious) 7. It wasn't ABOUT RACE, because there were black Confederate soldiers (probably a few here and there, and some half-assed efforts to raise black units did occur in the South... in the last few weeks of the Confederacy's existence as an organized state) 8. Many Southerners weren't super racist, like Bobby Lee!! (writings indicate that many Confederate people were more nuanced than we might think, yet they were generally on board in fighting for a constitution that "recognized the great truth that the negro is inferior to the white man," to paraphrase the Confederate vice president) 9. Yankees were racist too!! (often yes; also irrelevant) 10. DON'T YOU INSULT MY ANCESTORS LIKE THAT YOU YANKEE LIBERAL DOG (don't make lies about the living because you're mad about the truth about the dead)
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Not to mention like half the declarations of secession said "WE WANT TO KEEP SLAVES"
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Nessus posted:6. It wasn't ABOUT RACE, because there were also white slaves (whites were certainly indentured servants but there were strong trends against it in favor of chattel slavery, and any putative difference in treatment between your temporary servant and your permanent slave is, as with point 1, highly fuckin dubious) This one is also bullshit because by the time the civil war rolls around, indentured servitude of that sort was basically non-existent in America. "White" indentured servants were used as plantation labor early on in the Caribbean, but a) they were soon replaced by the even cheaper slave labour from Africa and B) mainly consisted of the Irish and a few other ethnic groups (central and eastern European) who weren't considered white at the time. You think Englishmen, Frenchmen, or Americans were being rounded up to serve on plantations? Slavery always has a racial component, going back to ancient times. It's almost always been justified based on xenophobia.
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Jan 8, 2014 02:21
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Nessus posted:1. Slavery was better than their lives in Africa at the time (disputable to say the least) Ah, that makes sense as to how it allows someone to kid themselves just enough to hold some bullshit it's about heritage not racism garbage. So do you think they actually admit to themselves when no one is around that they are racist as all hell or is their head so far up their own rear end they actually believe their own bullshit? I'm honestly not sure which one would be worse.
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Pokemaster #421 posted:Ah, that makes sense as to how it allows someone to kid themselves just enough to hold some bullshit it's about heritage not racism garbage. So do you think they actually admit to themselves when no one is around that they are racist as all hell or is their head so far up their own rear end they actually believe their own bullshit? I'm honestly not sure which one would be worse.  , and Tea Partiers more generally, have a total immunity to cognitive dissonance. They'll insist that MLK was a philandering America-hating commie agitator, but that he was also a True Conservative who would be supporting them if he hadn't gotten what he deserved. They say that Democrats are "the real racists" and they are keeping blacks in servitude, while also whisperingly darkly about the need to arm themselves in preparation of the day the SNAP cards stop working and the subhuman feral hordes come boiling out of the cities.Black President has sent some of them into such paroxysms of racist rage that every once in a while one of them will hint that hating black people isn't racist, it's just "realist". But for the most part, racism is more of the symbolic or aversive kind than the overt.
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Jan 8, 2014 03:49
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Joementum posted:Say hello to "General" Goodson of the New Confederate Army From the DnD pictures thread. I just thought this thread would appreciate it.  Hardcore Confederates
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Pokemaster #421 posted:Ah, that makes sense as to how it allows someone to kid themselves just enough to hold some bullshit it's about heritage not racism garbage. So do you think they actually admit to themselves when no one is around that they are racist as all hell or is their head so far up their own rear end they actually believe their own bullshit? I'm honestly not sure which one would be worse. My uncle in law ascribes to this worldview (I'm almost certain he's in the KKK or is otherwise a literal Nazi), but doesn't see himself as racist - it's just that all blacks are horrible irresponsible lazy gangsters out to murder and rape white women, and all Mexicans are dirty drug smugglers out to steal our jobs. You can't really see something as a racial bias if you believe it to be a universal truth. I got tired of putting up with his poo poo just because "he's family" at one point so I came out as gay over dinner and called him a jackass. He never spoke to me again 
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Jan 8, 2014 06:36
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Pokemaster #421 posted:Ah, that makes sense as to how it allows someone to kid themselves just enough to hold some bullshit it's about heritage not racism garbage. So do you think they actually admit to themselves when no one is around that they are racist as all hell or is their head so far up their own rear end they actually believe their own bullshit? I'm honestly not sure which one would be worse. It all comes down to
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Jan 8, 2014 06:39
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Radish posted:It makes me curious if the Tea Party will evolve into a racist, worker's party once the GOP tries to sever ties to it. "will evolve"?
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Jan 8, 2014 07:46
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Well they're not much of a worker's party right now.
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Jan 8, 2014 07:47
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At least not for workers in general, but they are party for workers that think immigrants are the source of all their problems.
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Jan 8, 2014 07:56
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Install Windows posted:It all comes down to Ich bin Patriot, kein Nazi 
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Jan 8, 2014 11:15
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Fiat Banking Nazi posted:From the DnD pictures thread. I just thought this thread would appreciate it. Ahaha He's responding to every "LOL are you mentally ill" in the comments.
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Jan 8, 2014 12:15
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Fiat Banking Nazi posted:From the DnD pictures thread. I just thought this thread would appreciate it. Not available in Germany. Good luck selling your cotton to us 
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Jan 8, 2014 13:23
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bpower posted:Ahaha He's responding to every "LOL are you mentally ill" in the comments. This guy is pretty great.
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Jan 8, 2014 14:11
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He's practically Hulk Hogan! Well, a jobless, out-of-shape, trailer park Hulk Hogan. "Why should I care, you live in your mums basement" <3
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Jan 8, 2014 15:31
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Jagged Jim posted:After Mandela's death Freep responded with page after page with about how awesome Apartheid was for them ungrateful coloreds and what a monster Mandela was for ending it. That Freepers would be slavery apologists is hardly surprising. I remember years ago seeing somewhere in LF a quote, I want to say from Freep but I can't remember for sure, on an article about the rapidly growing Chinese influence/investments in Africa, and someone posting how Africans (aka blacks) would thrive under the "yoke of the yellow man" Basically, while being totally not racist ever, most people like this honestly believe that the urban feral is like a wild dog, but can thrive and be a part of society when under the firm control of a superior race. I think the racism has always existed with these people because its an old white conservative thing to begin with, but Obama being elected really broke something in their brains after ending 200+ years of white male POTUS domination and his subsequent re-election instead of their dreams of the proto-yuppie white male who is filthy rich and morally and ethically bankrupt winning in a landslide compounded it. Sprinkle in the fact that the Obama family has been scandal clean for 5 years and counting and they're going insane over it. Surely these filthy usurper feral scumbags must conform to my racial stereotypes and its driving me crazy that they aren't!
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Jobless benefits bill clears key Senate hurdle, over GOP complaints on cost(Reid's subject change)quote:To: vpintheak; faithhopecharity; TexasFreeper2009; chopperman; Buckeye McFrog I christen thee the Republic of Dave!  quote:To: sickoflibs; All quote:To: sickoflibs  ----------------------------- Global Cooling: Is an Ice Age Coming? quote:To: xzins quote:To: xzins quote:To: xzins
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Lycus posted:At least not for workers in general, but they are party for workers that think immigrants are the source of all their problems. I mean, I don't want to get too far into hyperbole, but isn't that how fascism starts? I guess that the Tea Party is different from most fascist parties because of their distrust of the state, but they do like to deify their leaders at least.
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