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darthzeta88 posted:Old news but ya. This probably belongs in the SCOTUS thread; it involves Europe but doesn't seem to involve Fascism. Also, The Blaze is probably not the best source to post.
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darthzeta88 posted:Old news but ya.
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Baron FU posted:While this is a horrible thing to have happen to any child. Most anti semitic attacks in my country (Denmark) are perpetrated not by Ethnic Danes with Nazi ties but rather Muslims typically of Arab heritage. It's actually a huge problem. Fun fact: Of all the anti-semitic poo poo I've had thrown at me(sometimes literally!) over the years not once have it been from muslims but rather from nazis and those who now proclaim to protect the jews; members of SD. Not saying antisemitism doesn't exist amongst muslims, far from it, but like most other prejudices it can and is educated away(I work in schools and have discussed this often). poo poo, as a teacher I've seen and debated antisemitism and prejudism and it's far from uncommon that the kids realize how insane they sound and that they should probably employ more critical thinking when it comes to other etnicities.
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computer parts posted:Of course the treatment of the Roma is always the elephant in the room regarding European racial relations, but they don't generally count as Maybe it's time to make a Roma thread in D&D again. Haha just kidding mods please don't probate me. Seriously though, if you want a euro-D&D honeypot...
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Yeah, it's ridiculous how accepted anti-Roma opinion is. Also Antwan3k, good point about the word allochtoon, I hadn't really realized how incredibly racist our use of the word actually is. It's basically a word for people from ethnicities we don't like 
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ekuNNN posted:Yeah, it's ridiculous how accepted anti-Roma opinion is. They're often the top rated posts on Reddit. People bring up racism and get logic'd and gaslighted away. Then somebody just brings up xenophobia, and suddenly they are apologists for theivery. "You see it is not the Roma that are the problem, but the gypsys, who are Roma!"
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Back in my late teens when I worked retail I was acquainted with a Roma guy who would come by the store often. We would shoot the poo poo in serbo-croatian/bosnian. One time he bought a bunch of mattresses. I was tasked with helping him get the things out of the back door, which provided a wider berth and was less busy. While we were dragging the things out, some towels got snagged by the big cardboard boxes we were pushing, the boxes housing the mattresses. This particular box was open up top. The towels fell in and slid down out of sight. I looked at the guy and he looked back, saying: 'you didn't see anything, right?' I replied: 'I didn't see anything'. Tl;dr Roma made me complicit in their pan-european theft practices!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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cargo cult posted:Europe is racist as poo poo and as a minority I've never felt welcomed anywhere there, with the sole exception of the UK, probably cause they have a hard-on for Americans and especially American Minorities, anyway, point being I think it's a lost cause and I'm not sure why anyone would even bother with anti-fascist action there. Just let them go all nationalist and kill the gently caress out of each other as they've been doing for basically all of history. Travelling through Spain and especially Holland were the absolute worst, I have no idea how the Dutch have managed to cultivate a reputation for tolerance, whatsoever. There's literally no hope for the continent where organized communist parties and unions exist and still maintain respectable power, we should just turn our heads to the United States and hope that Ron Paul finally liberates us barbarians from the shackles of national socialism. Orange Devil posted:Seriously though, if you want a euro-D&D honeypot...  if i had a dime for every time i see the Left Bloc being called "Gispy and friend of the family lovers" because they dared to talk about race in Portugal (racism ended when we stopped shooting black people in 1974  ) i would probably have at least a euro or two in my pocket.SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:Tl;dr Roma made me complicit in their pan-european theft practices!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the hell is going on in Hamburg?  http://revolution-news.com/activists-hamburg-protest-danger-zone/ Mans fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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Mans posted:Yeah an entire continent should just collectively kill themselves because they're stupid untermensch that don't understand the magic of federalism. To be honest it would be deeply satisfying to somehow have all the fascists and pseudofascists of Europe destroy each other in a way that didn't harm anyone else.
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Mans posted:Yeah an entire continent should just collectively kill themselves because they're stupid untermensch that don't understand the magic of federalism.
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cargo cult posted:Europe is racist as poo poo and as a minority I've never felt welcomed anywhere there, with the sole exception of the UK, probably cause they have a hard-on for Americans and especially American Minorities, anyway, point being I think it's a lost cause and I'm not sure why anyone would even bother with anti-fascist action there. Just let them go all nationalist and kill the gently caress out of each other as they've been doing for basically all of history. Travelling through Spain and especially Holland were the absolute worst, I have no idea how the Dutch have managed to cultivate a reputation for tolerance, whatsoever. It's probably because of their stance on weed and homosexuality. As for the British, they are pretty racist too, they just direct their disgust somewhere else. Just look up the whole Romania/Bulgaria scare, or earlier Poles-eat-swans bullshit.
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cargo cult posted:Organized communist parties and unions are probably filled with racists and don't really balance out the fact that you have the FN, Golden Dawn, EDL, whatever. None of those parties would last a single second in the US, was my understated implication. In the house of "democracy", where only two parties are allowed to exist (with some leeway from fringe green and libertarian idiots), i'm not surprised any organized party to the left or right of the status quo doesn't exist in the United States. Looking at how U.S. police acts in suburbs i'd be a little shy in saying the U.S. prevents Golden Dawnesque structures from existing.
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Gantolandon posted:It's probably because of their stance on weed and homosexuality.
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cargo cult posted:It absolutely is because of their acceptance of pot and homosexuality (which are undeniably progressive), however, I can't help but question how we've managed to attain peace in such a diverse nation without legally limiting free speech or political organization. With firearms and smallpox.
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cargo cult posted:It absolutely is because of their acceptance of pot and homosexuality (which are undeniably progressive), however, I can't help but question how we've managed to attain peace in such a diverse nation without legally limiting free speech or political organization. It helps that you're seen as crazy if you claim "ancestral right to the land" like many in the Old World do (because we killed all of the people who could claim that).
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The acceptance of homosexuality varies by province and it's still more of a tolerance ('whatever') thing rather than acceptance.
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Yeah, Europe can be surprisingly behind what people expect if they don't live there, on the matter of LGBT rights: http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/ilga-europe-rainbow-map_5198e5ff9736c.jpg
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I love it. The US totally fucks over the mexican worker with NAFTA and the war on drugs tanking their economy in the process forcing them to up and leave their homes to come to the US and it's them that are the problem. It's their fault they won't eat the poo poo sandwich we foisted on them. It's their fault the US has cultivated an attitude of complete negligence and disinterest towards the welfare of the worker that has permeated every level of the economy. On The Left, thanks for outing yourself out as scum.
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Gantolandon posted:With firearms and smallpox.
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I thought France was accepting of homosexuality up until we actually legalized same sex marriage so yeah. (I actually didn't watch the Tour de France this year because of all the bigots on the road, not that I watch much of it anyway, kind of glad I didn't see it in Corsica but I think that's just people there are just too busy mucking up bilingual road signs to do anything meaningful about it )cargo cult posted:Yeah and where would you be without the Gallic Wars? Romanes eunt domus. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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cargo cult posted:Organized communist parties and unions are probably filled with racists and don't really balance out the fact that you have the FN, Golden Dawn, EDL, whatever. None of those parties would last a single second in the US, was my understated implication. I believe they're called the Tea Party, draped in the flag and carrying the cross.
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cargo cult posted:Europe is racist as poo poo and as a minority I've never felt welcomed anywhere there, with the sole exception of the UK, probably cause they have a hard-on for Americans and especially American Minorities, anyway, point being I think it's a lost cause and I'm not sure why anyone would even bother with anti-fascist action there. Just let them go all nationalist and kill the gently caress out of each other as they've been doing for basically all of history. Travelling through Spain and especially Holland were the absolute worst, I have no idea how the Dutch have managed to cultivate a reputation for tolerance, whatsoever. Wow, you win the thread for failing to recognize that there are no differences between the several European countries. And of course you don't understand that many of the European racists/nationalists are actually pretty relaxed about other white Europeans so there would not be any mutual killing anyway. And of course if you look at America, where they totally freaked out with a massive overreaction after 9/11 and started killing Muslims in the thousands and are responsible for tens of thousand dead Muslims because they cannot keep the peace in Afghanistan or Iraq. Not to mention how absolutely enlightened they were when there was this issue with the Islamic community center on Ground Zero. Oh and thankfully only one of the two parties in the USA is racist, much better than in Europe because reasons. And hey, nice that after living closely together with black and hispanic people for centuries the American whites are a bit less racist than the rather homogeneous European societies. But when the Republicans have finally managed to restrict voting rights to whites only you are certainly welcome to emigrate to Europe for a better life. Edit: Not to say that there are no serious problems with racism in Europe, because they are certainly present to varying degrees in every European country, but this post was just rubbish, just as my reaction was a bit of an exaggeration (except the part about 9/1).
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That was a pretty big exaggeration too because several European countries were part of the Afghan war.
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computer parts posted:That was a pretty big exaggeration too because several European countries were part of the Afghan war. I think the Afghanistan war could have been defended. If the US had not invaded Iraw afterwards but instead concentrated on Afghanistan it the war might have been won. But Iraq was the nail in the coffin. And what I meant about 9/11 being not an exaggeration was that the USA really did have a massive overreaction. Just look at that NSA stuff, airport security, FBI changing it's primary mission statement from law enforcement to "national security", the militarization of ordinary police forces, Guantanamo and blatant disregard of the Geneva conventions etc. And there are serious pundits out there who tell the people that the world is a more dangerous place than it was at the height of the Cold War and especially the radio audiences swallowing it up.And remember that Bush Jr. got something like 75% of the Muslim vote in 2000? Can you really see the GOP repeating that feat in the next elections, the way they turned on the Muslims? Benghazi truthers, Obama the secret anti-American Kenyan Muslim (one in six Americans believed this!), these things are all a massive overreaction to 9/11.
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cargo cult posted:Yeah and where would you be without the Gallic Wars? Your understanding of European history is a bit incomplete. Gallic Wars were fought by the Roman Republic, which not only doesn't exist anymore, but also didn't leave any countries that could claim to be its direct descendants. The US slaughtered Native Americans long after the Declaration of Independence. In case of the US, they either slaughtered their minorities, or assimilated them when they were in no condition to struggle (as with were with immigrants). Even then, its history was not entirely peaceful - wars with Mexico or even the American Civil War comes to mind.
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Cargo cult when you say you're indian-american do you mean indian as in India or Indian as in Cherokee or Iroquois because i literally can't comprehend what kind of persecution you'd suffer in Europe because of it. Indians suffer brutally in the American continent but i never heard of Indian persecution in Europe. And if you think the right wing of Mexico or Brazil would give you solidarity then i don't know what to tell you.
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Mans posted:Cargo cult when you say you're indian-american do you mean indian as in India or Indian as in Cherokee or Iroquois because i literally can't comprehend what kind of persecution you'd suffer in Europe because of it. I'm a little amazed to hear the UK was the best place he went to because our racists are just as dumb as anywhere else and will have a go if you're non-white pretty much regardless of any other factors.
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Really the problem is that in certain neighborhoods you just get a face full of racism and xenophobia, and you go ten streets further and there's tolerant and accepting people everywhere. Europe has a lot of racists and idiots, and they tend to stick together. But we don't have a widespread, popular Republican party and I'm pretty glad we don't.
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Deltasquid posted:Really the problem is that in certain neighborhoods you just get a face full of racism and xenophobia, and you go ten streets further and there's tolerant and accepting people everywhere. What policies do Republicans advocate that Britain's Conservative Party isn't actively implementing?
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Enjoy posted:What policies do Republicans advocate that Britain's Conservative Party isn't actively implementing? Voter suppression? And apart from racism, fascists and Republicans are also generally not fond of gay marriage.
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Torrannor posted:Voter suppression? And apart from racism, fascists and Republicans are also generally not fond of gay marriage. The Conservative Party fought against voting reform in 2011 and suffered a massive rebellion over gay marriage (more of Cameron's MPs opposed it than supported it, including two Cabinet ministers) so I don't see how they are so different. The Conservatives and Republicans have shared remarkably similar worldviews for many decades.
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Enjoy posted:The Conservative Party fought against voting reform in 2011 and suffered a massive rebellion over gay marriage (more of Cameron's MPs opposed it than supported it, including two Cabinet ministers) so I don't see how they are so different. The Conservatives and Republicans have shared remarkably similar worldviews for many decades. I don't know that much about the conservatives in the UK, so I guess British politics are even shittier than I imagined. 
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UK conservatives are just like those in most western countries. They're no way nearly as crazy as the Republicans.
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bpower posted:UK conservatives are just like those in most western countries. They're no way nearly as crazy as the Republicans. People keep asserting this but please explain how so!
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bpower posted:UK conservatives are just like those in most western countries. They're no way nearly as crazy as the Republicans. Counterexample: Thatcher.
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Both are right wing Conservative/Reactionary groups maintained by big businesses and supported by nostalgia and a general concept of 'Christian morality'. However the Republican party actually has true believers of right wing religion and right wing economics with actual control over the course of the party which makes it operate on completely different lines compared to the UK Conservatives who ultimately don't need to worry about rightwing religious sentiment and are more than happy to take progressive steps about gay rights and things so long as their economic agenda (consciously making the rich richer) is furthered by it. There's a twisted belief behind the Republican Party while the Conservative Party doesn't really give a poo poo.
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Enjoy posted:People keep asserting this but please explain how so! Do you want me to list a bunch of crazy stuff the Reps did in the last two years that UK Cons would never do? Captain_Maclaine posted:Counterexample: Thatcher. I'm taking about the parties as they are today.
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Enjoy posted:People keep asserting this but please explain how so! So imagine a minority of the Republicans in Congress would be for same-sex marriage. Can you imagine Boehner allowing a vote on it to happen, in the knowledge that it would pass with D assistance? Can you imagine a president Romney whipping up support for SSM against much of his own party? Are the Conservatives trying to privatize the NHS? Banning abortion? Injecting intelligent design into the school curriculum? As a non-Brit I am seriously asking. I don't think they are but please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Torrannor posted:Are the Conservatives trying to privatize the NHS?
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bpower posted:UK conservatives are just like those in most western countries. They're no way nearly as crazy as the Republicans. IIRC there's a Norwegian PM with a bust of Ayn Rand outside of her office.
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