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You know, the entire thing about losing what you are and theoretically becoming like the people of the land is probably even more terrifying than death in a way... Does this make me a NPC racist? I think it's a tad irresponsible from Shiroe not to spill the beans, even if it'd cause people to become a lot more nervous. I was certain that Rudy is a player until the friends list thing. I mean the way he reacted to all of the conversation would imply he has information from the outside world, or is at least incredible good faking it. Fair enough, I can see several reasons against it - Heck, I would probably make the same decision for the time-being: My only point against is really allowing people to make their choices regardless of what they are. | v Dessel fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jan 11, 2014 |
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Dessel posted:You know, the entire thing about losing what you are and theoretically becoming like the people of the land is probably even more terrifying than death in a way... Does this make me a NPC racist? I think it's a tad irresponsible from Shiroe not to spill the beans, even if it'd cause people to become a lot more nervous. He's probably concerned that the knowledge could undo all of the good work they've done trying to get people motivated again. Not to mention that they haven't confirmed it yet; it's only a theory at best, and at worst, it could be a deception intended to get the adventurers afraid of death.
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Jan 11, 2014 18:52
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I suppose they haven't confirmed it, but it definitely seems like Rudy turned into a PotL. He obviously is from the outside world, but it also seems like he no longer has the same status. Given his rash personality, he could have inadvertently done something that left him in his current state (probably just dying a lot).
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Jan 11, 2014 21:14
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ViggyNash posted:I suppose they haven't confirmed it, but it definitely seems like Rudy turned into a PotL. He obviously is from the outside world, but it also seems like he no longer has the same status. Given his rash personality, he could have inadvertently done something that left him in his current state (probably just dying a lot). Wait what seems so obvious about this?
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Dessel posted:You know, the entire thing about losing what you are and theoretically becoming like the people of the land is probably even more terrifying than death in a way... Does this make me a NPC racist? I think it's a tad irresponsible from Shiroe not to spill the beans, even if it'd cause people to become a lot more nervous. It's a tough choice. Another issue is right now, there's no real reason for player-murder. You might get a little kick out of harassing someone, but you can't really hurt them long-term. Finding out that killing people has real consequences like that would have pretty big consequences. It would give those with power a much, much stronger ability to oppress the weak. ViggyNash posted:I suppose they haven't confirmed it, but it definitely seems like Rudy turned into a PotL. He obviously is from the outside world, but it also seems like he no longer has the same status. Given his rash personality, he could have inadvertently done something that left him in his current state (probably just dying a lot). Yeah, there were a lot of little things. Like Dessel said, some of the ways he reacted (sandwich shop) seem like he had outside-world knowledge, but I suspect it's all really vague. When someone talks about outside-world concepts, it sounds familiar to him, but he can't really remember specifically. He knows that Bard-girl should have been able to friend him, and he could tell that something wasn't right there, but he's not really sure why it didn't work or what's wrong or even what was supposed to happen. That's the feeling I get, anyway.
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XboxPants posted:Yeah, there were a lot of little things. Like Dessel said, some of the ways he reacted (sandwich shop) seem like he had outside-world knowledge, but I suspect it's all really vague. When someone talks about outside-world concepts, it sounds familiar to him, but he can't really remember specifically. He knows that Bard-girl should have been able to friend him, and he could tell that something wasn't right there, but he's not really sure why it didn't work or what's wrong or even what was supposed to happen. That's the feeling I get, anyway.
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Mygna posted:I got precisely the opposite impression from those things you mentioned. Notice how he simply and quickly agrees with Bard-girl, without offering any knowledge of the outside world himself. And he clearly clams up and looks concerned as soon as she mentions adding him, but before she even tries. The last bit was because he knew it wouldn't work. But with the first bit, I doubt they have a lot of hot sandwiches in the game, so I assume he had them a lot in the outside world and has a vague notion of having ate them a lot.
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Jan 11, 2014 22:11
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Alternatives: he is a spam bot that gained sentinence/he was put in as an advertisement originally/PoL have or had internet access
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Jan 11, 2014 22:24
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There is a sentient chinese goldfarming bot in a sidestory, but that is on another continent and hasn't been translated.
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ViggyNash posted:The last bit was because he knew it wouldn't work. But with the first bit, I doubt they have a lot of hot sandwiches in the game, so I assume he had them a lot in the outside world and has a vague notion of having ate them a lot. Or he has only eaten completely tasteless garbage for his entire life, until buying a hot sandwich from one of the new food stands in Akihabara, explaining his weird obsession with them. Hell, given how much they joked about it this episode, I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually a prince, instead of just roleplaying one.
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ViggyNash posted:The last bit was because he knew it wouldn't work. But with the first bit, I doubt they have a lot of hot sandwiches in the game, so I assume he had them a lot in the outside world and has a vague notion of having ate them a lot. Or they're one of the foods from the real world that's most accessible to a PotL in Akihabara who wants to be an adventurer and do adventurer things?
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Jan 11, 2014 22:48
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That last bit reminded me of invasions from old school muds. I don't remember Rudy ever mentioning "real world" knowledge. To me, he acted confused at first, then realized his cover was blown (or at least damaged). In fact, I'm wondering if PotL even know about menus and such like friend lists. Rudy just knows how often he can do something because it's a natural aspect of the world, and that guilds are a thing that exist.
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Jan 11, 2014 22:58
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One thing I'm still not clear on even though the nobles have talked about all these wonderful new foods coming out of Akiba is, did they really subsist on the wet cardboard food for all of their recorded history? Did the PotL use the menu all that time instead of manually cooking, well, anything?
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Jan 11, 2014 23:03
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Wet cardboard food isn't so bad when you've never eaten anything else before.
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Jan 11, 2014 23:07
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veekie posted:Wet cardboard food isn't so bad when you've never eaten anything else before. But they still had fruit and ingredient items which included bread and sausage.
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Jan 11, 2014 23:08
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I think the bread and sausage were also cardboard. Only fruits and vegetables had taste. Man, salads would be way more popular.
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User0015 posted:In fact, I'm wondering if PotL even know about menus and such like friend lists. The crazy elder sage guy that was telling Shiroe about world history was quite fluent with menus, but who knows how much of an exception he is. Hell, he could even be a gm or developer or something.
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darkgray posted:These episodes are always over so fast. Especially when you skip 2/3rds of it. At least that's over with now.
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XboxPants posted:Yeah, there were a lot of little things. Like Dessel said, some of the ways he reacted (sandwich shop) seem like he had outside-world knowledge
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Aleksei Vasiliev posted:I assumed those sandwiches were sold in Akiba. I imagine a lot of Adventurer 'chefs' don't really have the culinary skills to do anything more complicated than a sandwich(which is practically universal nerd food).
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Based on what we've seen I'm convinced that Rudy is just a standard PoTL. He seemed nervous when Isuzu wanted to add him to her friends list, and even more telling didn't bring up the idea himself. I think any player wouldn't have even thought before asking about adding each other to their friends lists. The hot sandwiches thing even seems to support this; if it was first decent thing he s ever ate he'd obviously be fixated on it. I'm betting it's setting up for a more concrete demonstration of PoTL being sentient/sapient. The only real difference between adventurers and PoTL seems to be their relative combat ability/maximum level (though this might extend to other disciplines, like crafting), and the revival deal. I'd be worried about having a PoTL in my adventuring group though, they'd be a huge liability even if revival magic does work on them. Any wipe on a raid boss and they're dead for good. If they go down in any encounter and you don't have a healer handy they're screwed too. Adventurers are just going to be able to do things and take risks that PoTL can't keep up with. It might cause a point of tension where Rudy or other adventurer-wannabes feel like they're being looked down on by the adventurers. Now a bit of speculation based a little on the OP about the upcoming episodes: On the other hand there are a lot more PoTL than adventurers and they presumably have some solid soldiers. PoTL might be a poor choice for small, elite adventuring parties because better options (adventurers) exist, but there might not be enough adventurers to keep them out of a large war. We saw some scenes in the OP, and the previews, that hint really strongly at a goblin and murloc invasion. It even seems like those goblins/murlocs are weak enough that PoTL soldiers should be able to deal with them, since even newbies should be able to handle them individually. I can see PoTL being a defensive force while adventurers take the offense or PoTL being the conventional army where adventurers become specialists. Desuwa fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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Finally caught up with this series. Having not seen SAO or .hack, I've been pleased with the "stuck in an MMO" treatment thus far. It's cool that we got to see the low level characters adventure while Shiroe and company hobnobs with the nobles. Although it seems that with the imminent invasions, everything is about to come back together. Regarding Rudy: Kind of bummed that the OP presages his death... although, who knows? Maybe another plot twist will save him.
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As I recall, PotL levels are around 10-15 for the typical farmer or noble. 15-20 for soldiers and the like. 20-30 for the elite bodyguards. Presumably this is because over 20 years of the game the NPCs have been grossly outleveled as the level cap goes up with new content. This puts paid to the idea of a PotL defense force, remember, the Sahaugin can do low damage to even a level 90 cleric, which means PotL defenders are going to be taking losses against a large force. HP and MP chips away, though for the Adventurer, loving up just means they're out until they can get back to the field. Against this many sahaugin it'd be a complete meat grinder.
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Was anyone else hearing the Murloc "Mgrlllmgrlrrr!" agro sound in their head when the Sahaugin started charging up the beach? I had to rewatch the segment to make sure I hadn't really heard it.
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thegloaming posted:Regarding Rudy: Kind of bummed that the OP presages his death... although, who knows? Maybe another plot twist will save him.
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:Gotta believe it's simply a dramatic fake-out kinda deal. Especially with two healers in their party. Hell there's probably revival items that are standard inventory for adventurers, worst case scenario. Especially since they emphasized in the previous episode that revive spells works on NPCs too if used promptly.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Was anyone else hearing the Murloc "Mgrlllmgrlrrr!" agro sound in their head when the Sahaugin started charging up the beach? I had to rewatch the segment to make sure I hadn't really heard it. I did. There were some neat things hidden in that sequence too, like the faceplanting Sahaguin and the one guy in the entire invasion who decided to bring goggles. Vengarr fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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Vengarr posted:I did. There were some neat things hidden in that sequence too, like the faceplanting Sahaguin and the one guy in the entire invasion who decided to bring goggles. You linked the same thing twice.
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I liked that detail when asked what his favorite food item is you can essentially see a query being run saying "List FOODS_EATEN, sort by Favorite, get 3 first rows" and then he essentially says the same item three times.
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Mordaedil posted:I liked that detail when asked what his favorite food item is you can essentially see a query being run saying "List FOODS_EATEN, sort by Favorite, get 3 first rows" and then he essentially says the same item three times. You know...I imagine as a PotL Adventurer he just doesn't have much money(due to low level, and having no immortality safety net or guild), and just bought the cheapest type of real food he could get. Which would be sandwiches, which might have saturated the market already given how easy they are to make even for the nerdiest gamers.
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veekie posted:You linked the same thing twice. Whoops, fixed.
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Mordaedil posted:I liked that detail when asked what his favorite food item is you can essentially see a query being run saying "List FOODS_EATEN, sort by Favorite, get 3 first rows" and then he essentially says the same item three times.
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Sindai posted:I really doubt that's the idea, since the whole point of this arc is that the natives are real people, not programs. Maybe the point is that he was an adventurer that was programmed into the game for some reason, and isn't from the real world, and somehow that AI program propagated into this world after the Apocalypse as an adventurer. That would have some interesting implications. Isn't there a spin-off manga where one of the main characters is a former gold-farming bot? It'd be kind of like that.
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Clarste posted:Especially since they emphasized in the previous episode that revive spells works on NPCs too if used promptly. The key is if those classes have those spells. Druid is healing over time and Miko is damage prevention. I can definitely see one of them having a Revive upon death spell, but not a standard Revive spell.
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ViggyNash posted:Isn't there a spin-off manga where one of the main characters is a former gold-farming bot? It'd be kind of like that. It's a spinoff webnovel, the specific bit being that the bot is unmanned. Shiroe's currently hypothesis is that mind and body were once split when it was a game but now they're no longer once Elder Tales became a reality. The gold-farming bot was always an adventurer but has now achieved intelligence and self-awareness despite not really having any before.
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So am I the only one a bit miffed that Marielle didn't get to murder some sahaguins herself and instead played the part of damsel in distress? I mean she's level 90 herself and these punks are only 20 or so, even if she's a healer she should still be able to wreck them.
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A Cup of Ramen posted:So am I the only one a bit miffed that Marielle didn't get to murder some sahaguins herself and instead played the part of damsel in distress? I mean she's level 90 herself and these punks are only 20 or so, even if she's a healer she should still be able to wreck them. She has her cosmetic gear equipped. She has no weapon to use her skills.
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Her own fault for bringing bikini instead of breastplate.
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veekie posted:Her own fault for bringing bikini instead of breastplate. Have they ever shown her in adventuring gear? I can't imagine her regular outfit is actually armor, even for a healing class.
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