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Shageletic posted:Side-stepping the hell out of this conversation, but what good shows are back from the winter break. Other than New Girl? Brooklyn 99 is back, as well as Psych and @Midnight!
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Rarity posted:Pretty Little Liars does this as well and does it much better This is true but it's also heavy on the sexual predator angle so it's sort of a mixed bag.
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Shageletic posted:Side-stepping the hell out of this conversation, but what good shows are back from the winter break. Other than New Girl? Brooklyn 99, @Midnight, Community, Person of Interest, Hannibal [edit: Hannibal is back February 28th, so not that soon, actually] and Sherlock. [Edit: beaten on two shows, but they bear repeating] asecondduck fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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Jan 12, 2014 00:38
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When does Hannibal come back???
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February 28th, iirc.
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Oh my bad, for some reason I read the date as January 28th. Which in retrospect makes no sense because the 28th is a tuesday.
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Shageletic posted:Side-stepping the hell out of this conversation, but what good shows are back from the winter break. Other than New Girl? Raising Hope and Cougar Town are back, if that's the kind of thing you're into. Tomorrow we get Shameless and House of Lies. I think that True Detective starts soon, which looks quite promising.
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Sophia posted:This is true but it's also heavy on the sexual predator angle so it's sort of a mixed bag. Yeah but it's universally acknowledged as the only bad aspect of the show so that's something!
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Jan 12, 2014 01:42
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Oh yeah, I forgot that Archer's back on Monday. Parks and Rec is back too.
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Rarity posted:Agents of SHIELD is ba... Still have room in that cab ?
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Rarity posted:Pretty Little Liars does this as well and does it much better Why would you watch a show thats for little girls?
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Shageletic posted:Side-stepping the hell out of this conversation, but what good shows are back from the winter break. Other than New Girl? ...Mindy? Community too. Enlisted's a new one, and good too. So catch it while you can, because it will most likely not be back for another season. Also, pretty much everyone will be back come next week. Proposition Joe posted:Why would you watch a show thats for little girls? :mlp: 
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Proposition Joe posted:Why would you watch a show thats for little girls? It's aimed at the same age group as shows like Arrow, though (teens and young adults), so that's a stupid question to ask.
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Jan 12, 2014 02:05
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Jan 12, 2014 02:20
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Only Desperate Housewives was never a good show.
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Jan 12, 2014 02:27
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Pretty Little Liars suffers from loooong seasons. I feel like it would be better if the pacing were tighter or seasons shorter. As much as I didn't mind waiting an entire 22 episode span to find out who A is the first time, the fact that I had that to look forward to two more times just... Put me off it a little. Half the season is completely irrelevant by the time it ends anyway, so why not cut it out and just leave the good stuff?
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VorpalBunny posted:We actually started going to that racetrack out of morbid curiosity after watching the pilot for Luck. I had no idea horse racing was still a thing, and now I love it. Thanks HBO! At first, I was baffled that someone was unaware that horseracing wasn't still a thing. Then I remembered that some people are not near horse country 
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I was in NYC last week visiting friends so I'm pretty sure that makes me the authority on NYC race relations, and I didn't interact with a single black person. 
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Proposition Joe posted:Why would you watch a show thats for little girls? Yes, a show about murderers and stalkers is aimed at little girls. 
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Rarity posted:Yes, a show about murderers and stalkers is aimed at little girls. Oh so it's like Twilight.
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Rarity posted:Yes, a show about murderers and stalkers is aimed at little girls. It's funny how nobody complains about boys watching The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones but we've had multiple arguments about how Pretty Little Liars is inappropriate for girls because it features things like, gasp, murder!
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VDay posted:Oh so it's like Twilight. But for the fact that they don't romanticize it at all, and it's still a bad thing. Twilight puts Edward's behavior as sweet and romantic, PLL shows it for what it is, creepy. Especially with the revelation that (big spoiler from this season) Ezra is big A. That puts a really dark tinge on a pretty important relationship in the series. Also, I remember reading somewhere (likely in this forum) the notion that PLL is the most feminist show on TV, and honestly, I'm having difficulty coming up with a counter. Each girl acts with agency, they have conversations that don't revolve around significant others (though they have those, too, because that is an important part of their lives), they're each completely capable of handling themselves in their own ways. Of course they all have retarded moments, but that's more to do with the fact that it's a mystery show than that they're girls.
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cool kids inc. posted:Pretty Little Liars suffers from loooong seasons. I feel like it would be better if the pacing were tighter or seasons shorter. As much as I didn't mind waiting an entire 22 episode span to find out who A is the first time, the fact that I had that to look forward to two more times just... Put me off it a little. Half the season is completely irrelevant by the time it ends anyway, so why not cut it out and just leave the good stuff? My counter to that would be that the stuff that happens in between the big revelations about the overarching mystery IS the good stuff. Like, who really gives a crap who A is? A is important because it provides an external motivator to drive their behavior forward and provide conflict but ultimately the why and who and where is never the most interesting thing in and of itself. What it does to the four central characters and the ancillary characters and how it changes their own complex relationships (against their will at times) is the cool stuff. Since the show is basically about how you have a life as a young person in the 21st century, when people are always watching everything you do and everything is forever thanks to social media and everyone having a video camera in their pocket all the time, I don't think watching the show for the mystery is really appreciating what it brings to the table. Like teenagers are always giving themselves their own narrative of what their life is, like they're a character in a book, only now they're also having to see what narratives other people are putting on them and this is the most extreme example. Spencer thinks she is a driven achiever but A twists it to her being a desperate second-best. Hanna thinks she is the queen of the school but A twists her into being an attention seeker. Etc. Their own stories start to change because of it and they have to navigate it. Plus deal with all the other normal bullshit of being a teenager like can you really trust your parents, can you trust adults in general, are your friends really your friends, where do you draw the line in right and wrong, is love a real thing or is it just what you need in the moment, etc. Obviously anyone who's heard me talk about it knows I'm crazy about the show, but it's not because the mystery is great. It could be a million episodes long and I'd probably love it more if they had story to tell about these 4 girls and their lives.
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So uh, Intelligence is literally PoI with Sawyer.
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Josh Lyman posted:So uh, Intelligence is literally PoI with Sawyer. Intelligence is basically the child of Jake 2.0, John Doe, and Chuck all in one.
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PriorMarcus posted:Critics asking questions and having opinions are what they paid to do; even if they are lovely questions and lovely opinions. People are disappointed in the Girls team because they took a chance to give viewers further insight into the show and to defend against lovely questions eloquently (something they clearly believe themselves capable of) and instead turned it into a high school pissing match. Thank you. Exactly the point. It has nothing to do with misogyny, which is just a cheap buzzword to hide behind in order to avoid really answering questions in a meaningful way. No matter how poorly worded a reporter's question, is it really justified to ask back "Do you have a girlfriend? Is she happy with you?" gently caress Lena Dunham, and gently caress Judd Apatow.
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precision posted:Thank you. Exactly the point. It has nothing to do with misogyny, which is just a cheap buzzword to hide behind in order to avoid really answering questions in a meaningful way. Yeah, you have absolutely no right to complain when you're told that you like the sex scenes in Game of Thrones better because you know they're there to titillate. (EDIT: That may not be what he was saying, but the question was worded poorly enough that it was VERY EASY to interpret it that way.) I know you hate Girls, I trust your reasons are legit, and I agree that the press conference was poorly handled, but let's not use the existence of glaring problems to paper over the existence of other glaring problems. DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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precision posted:misogyny, which is just a cheap buzzword to hide behind in order to avoid really answering questions in a meaningful way.  what the gently caress is wrong with you
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precision posted:No matter how poorly worded a reporter's question, is it really justified to ask back "Do you have a girlfriend? Is she happy with you?" Ok, I've been going over this in my head. Is this question supposed to mean "You're not so hot yourself, so shut up" or something else? Also, the other person's "Well she must be a misogynist," statement also didn't make sense to me. Letting a man walk all over you isn't necessarily misogyny, it might be dependency. This is all unless I'm the idiot or she meant that your girlfriend must be a misandrist. As an aside, my first thought was really, "If he had said he was gay, would that have changed anything or would Judd have said, you still can't comment on women's bodies?"
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Josh Lyman posted:So uh, Intelligence is literally PoI with Sawyer. [Edit: \/\/\/ oh okay, nm then] asecondduck fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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lelandjs posted:... It's actually Chuck with Sawyer. Don't let Lyman fool you.
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DivisionPost posted:Yeah, you have absolutely no right to complain when you're told that you like the sex scenes in Game of Thrones better because you know they're there to titillate. (EDIT: That may not be what he was saying, but the question was worded poorly enough that it was VERY EASY to interpret it that way.) I'm not defending anything the reporter said, I'm laughing at how completely unprofessional Dunham and Apatow's responses were. One of my favorite bands ever is A Silver Mt. Zion. They are composed of members of Godspeed You! Black Emperor, a band that was broken up from 2001 until 2012. At a concert in 2006, someone yelled "WHEN IS GODSPEED GETTING BACK TOGETHER?!" Efrim Menuck, the lead musician in both bands, responded with "I don't know, when are you getting back together with your girlfriend?" It was an unprofessional, rear end in a top hat thing to say - but in that kind of informal environment, it was also hilarious. So I can appreciate artists going off the cuff, but there is a line. quote:I know you hate Girls, I trust your reasons are legit, and I agree that the press conference was poorly handled, but let's not use the existence of glaring problems to paper over the existence of other glaring problems. I don't hate Girls, I just don't like it. Despite the way I type sometimes, I actually try not to actually "hate" anything, because as Rollins says, "To hate someone is giving them too much of yourself". The press conference was poorly handled. We agree. BrooklynBruiser posted:what the gently caress is wrong with you A poorly worded, but probably not truly misogynist, question was asked. Why someone who's been in the business as long as Apatow couldn't handle it, or Dunham who has had years of criticism about her show, or anyone should use the term "rage spiral", is quite beyond me.
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precision posted:A poorly worded, but probably not truly misogynist, question was asked. Why someone who's been in the business as long as Apatow couldn't handle it, or Dunham who has had years of criticism about her show, or anyone should use the term "rage spiral", is quite beyond me. You still don't get to call misogyny a cheap buzzword.
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precision posted:I don't hate Girls, I just don't like it. Despite the way I type sometimes, I actually try not to actually "hate" anything, because as Rollins says, "To hate someone is giving them too much of yourself". Yeah, you don't get to call misogyny a cheap buzzword and you don't get to drop that Henry Rollins quote after saying precision posted:gently caress Lena Dunham, and gently caress Judd Apatow.
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BrooklynBruiser posted:You still don't get to call misogyny a cheap buzzword. I'm sorry I was unclear. I did not mean it always is. Of course real misogyny exists. I've been around long enough that I think one can gather that from my post history. I was referring to using it as a means of avoiding engaging someone in actual substantive discussion; in that company, "misogyny" is hardly the only word that gets thrown around as an excuse to avoid having a calm discussion. DivisionPost posted:Yeah, you don't get to call misogyny a cheap buzzword and you don't get to drop that Henry Rollins quote after saying Saying "gently caress Judd Apatow" isn't the same as saying "I hate Judd Apatow". I don't hate Tim and Eric, but I have no trouble saying "gently caress Tim and Eric". I don't hate Scary Movie, but I have no problem saying "gently caress Scary Movie". I disagree with Bill O'Reilly, but I have no trouble saying "gently caress Bill O'Reilly". It's shorthand for "I have concluded these people are too silly to care about". I hope that makes things more clear. Before I go to bed, maybe you or someone could address me in a calm, substantive matter (like I'm trying to do now) and let me know how I could have expressed myself better. Or is this one of those cases on the Internet where, no matter how much I clarify and attempt to be explanatory, I've been judged "wrong", "terrible", "the worst" etc. and can never recover? Because you know, that's one bad habit that people on the Internet need to kick. I was under the (probably mistaken) impression that we're all friends here. If a majority wants me to, literally, , I'll refrain from posting in TVIV any further I guess.
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"Professional" and "unprofessional" are cheap buzzwords. Despite conventional wisdom, there are stupid questions and pointing them out and mocking them is perfectly acceptable. What response could that reporter possibly have expected to his question? Also, Intelligence is pretty crappy and holy poo poo is Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ever going to be anything other than dull as dishwater?
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Slamhound posted:is Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ever going to be anything other than dull as dishwater? I asked a friend this question who watches and is a fan of the show. She spent the next five minutes explaining how SHIELD is dull by design, largely due to Marvel something something and ABC something else something else, the gist being that SHIELD will have to suffer through two seasons of being milquetoast before anything interesting will even be allowed. All I really took away from that is that SHIELD will almost certainly be cancelled before it gets good.
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Manos del Sino posted:I asked a friend this question who watches and is a fan of the show. She spent the next five minutes explaining how SHIELD is dull by design, largely due to Marvel something something and ABC something else something else, the gist being that SHIELD will have to suffer through two seasons of being milquetoast before anything interesting will even be allowed. It has to really really tank for ABC to shitcan it though. They've put way too much into it and the execs at Marvel and Disney are probably really resistant to getting rid of it.
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