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Found a larger photo on another forum: Notice the Z06 emblem behidn the shifter? Now notice the 246R patter on the shifter it's self?
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Lord Lilf posted:Found a larger photo on another forum: There's also some people pointing out that the photo is heavily shopped and little more than a render. We'll find out soon enough I suppose.
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Jan 12, 2014 02:16
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That is really strange, GM is loving with us. [edit] Maybe they shopped the interior and used an auto column by accident? Or on purpose, just to gently caress with everyone 
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Jan 12, 2014 02:16
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Throatwarbler posted:There's also some people pointing out that the photo is heavily shopped and little more than a render. We'll find out soon enough I suppose. I'm inclined to agree but I can't help but shake the feeling that GM knew this poo poo was going to leak and is pulling a fast one is saving some kind other kind of suprise.
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Jan 12, 2014 02:18
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I'm surprised they haven't pulled their fingers out and built a dual-clutch transmission, which would answer pretty much everyone's requirements outside of a traditional manual in one package.
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Jan 12, 2014 13:16
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InitialDave posted:I'm surprised they haven't pulled their fingers out and built a dual-clutch transmission, which would answer pretty much everyone's requirements outside of a traditional manual in one package. Except for durability, smoothness, and not costing a whole lot of money. Automatic Corvette owners are usually the boulevard cruiser market who don't care about lap times so why make things more expensive for them, especially since they'll probably just complain about the roughness compared to a conventional auto anyway.
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Jan 12, 2014 17:33
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One would hope that the Z06 owners would tolerate a little jerkiness about town for all the performance advantages, but one might be underestimating the folly of the Corvette owner base. I once saw C6 Z06 parked on the street in Ann Arbor and thought, "Nice race car, poseur. Bet it rides really nice on the way to Espresso Royale." Then I walked past and saw the roll cage and fire extinguisher. Prejudice is an ugly thing. Comedy option for the new Z06: CVT with gear ratio setpoints, which you can select via stick or paddle!
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Jan 12, 2014 19:07
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Cream_Filling posted:Except for durability, smoothness, and not costing a whole lot of money. What? DCTs are perfectly reliable and completely smooth. Try driving a modern one. I often can't even feel mine change gears around town.
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Jan 12, 2014 20:11
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SRT just unveiled a new color, option package, and wing for the Viper. That spoiler looks like it could belong to a future ACR, and they basically previewed the TA the same way with the yellow Mopar car a year back.
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Jan 12, 2014 20:42
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Comrade Flynn posted:What? DCTs are perfectly reliable and completely smooth. Try driving a modern one. I often can't even feel mine change gears around town. Possibly because it isn't attached to a huge V8/10/12 with 500+ horsepower. Admittedly I don't have any experience with them, but they seem to be panned by critics for things like parking and town use when fitted to assorted supercars.
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Jan 12, 2014 20:46
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Tekne posted:SRT just unveiled a new color, option package, and wing for the Viper. I don't care what they're calling it, this is TVR Green right here.
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Jan 12, 2014 20:52
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Linedance posted:Possibly because it isn't attached to a huge V8/10/12 with 500+ horsepower. Admittedly I don't have any experience with them, but they seem to be panned by critics for things like parking and town use when fitted to assorted supercars. Mine is attached to 600+ horsepower, although in a V6. The only weirdness is very very slow speeds like parking lots it gets a tiny bit jerky. Other than that it's smooth as butter.
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Jan 12, 2014 21:13
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Comrade Flynn posted:Mine is attached to 600+ horsepower, although in a V6. well that's me told. And puzzled. What's got a DCT and that much power coming from a V6? Porsches are flat 6, big Germans are generally 8s, Ford Falcon and M3 had an i6... TVR? But they don't have DCT transmissions. 
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Jan 12, 2014 21:50
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Linedance posted:well that's me told. And puzzled. What's got a DCT and that much power coming from a V6? Porsches are flat 6, big Germans are generally 8s, Ford Falcon and M3 had an i6... TVR? But they don't have DCT transmissions. A GTR
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Jan 12, 2014 21:51
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pik_d posted:A GTR GT- 
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Jan 12, 2014 21:51
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Linedance posted:well that's me told. And puzzled. What's got a DCT and that much power coming from a V6? Porsches are flat 6, big Germans are generally 8s, Ford Falcon and M3 had an i6... TVR? But they don't have DCT transmissions. The earlier GTRs were jerky but they've really refined it. The only way I can tell it's changed gears is a very slight clanking sound of it engaging the next gear. It also chatters like crazy in reverse.
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Jan 12, 2014 22:06
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Comrade Flynn posted:The earlier GTRs were jerky but they've really refined it. The only way I can tell it's changed gears is a very slight clanking sound of it engaging the next gear. Slightly off topic but are all of the changes to the GT-R's gearbox software related or were there legitimate mechanical changes throughout the years? What year is yours? I saw Cobb offers certain versions of the DCT software, can you get the 2012 launch control in the 2009 gearbox via software updates?
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Jan 12, 2014 23:45
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Pr0kjayhawk posted:Slightly off topic but are all of the changes to the GT-R's gearbox software related or were there legitimate mechanical changes throughout the years? What year is yours? I'm pretty sure it's all software. I have a 2012, but a buddy with an 09 got the Cobb DCT upgrade and said it shifts just like a brand new GTR now with the launch control.
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Jan 13, 2014 00:03
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My GF works in architecture and deals with rendering, it is expensive and time consuming. Also,her company at least, outsources a lot of work to east asian firms and the results are often really bad due to language barrier or just flat out poo poo work. It is very possible that Z06 weirdness is just a rendering gently caress-up by a non-car person and or confused vendor that was either not caught by GM or caught but would cost too much to be worth redoing. I wouldn't lose your mind just yet.
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Jan 13, 2014 00:16
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 2015 GMC Canyon. Differences between it and the Sierra are available 2 speed TC and "All Terrain" trim with uprated suspension and mud tires.
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Jan 13, 2014 00:24
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What is 2 speed TC?
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Jan 13, 2014 00:35
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Ziploc posted:What is 2 speed TC? 2 speed transfer case, you know, 4 LO, that sort of thing.
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Jan 13, 2014 00:39
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So Autoblog and a few other places are reporting about Mazda starting to build cars in Mexico in a couple months. People's reactions are ridiculous. Everyone is acting like the cars are going to fall apart. Is there some basis for this or are people just being racist dickholes?
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Jan 13, 2014 00:40
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A Proper Uppercut posted:So Autoblog and a few other places are reporting about Mazda starting to build cars in Mexico in a couple months. Mexican built VWs have been known for quality problems.
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Jan 13, 2014 00:44
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Autoblog's comment sections rank somewhere in the neighborhood of youtube, which is to say that they're terrible and utterly not worth reading.
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Jan 13, 2014 00:45
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Cream_Filling posted:Autoblog's comment sections rank somewhere in the neighborhood of youtube, which is to say that they're terrible and utterly not worth reading. This is also true.
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Jan 13, 2014 00:46
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Hog Obituary posted:Mexican built VWs have been known for quality problems. I think it has everything to do with where the parts that are used to build the cars come from, rather than where the cheap labor that builds the cars comes from.
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Jan 13, 2014 01:07
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Throatwarbler posted:2 speed transfer case, you know, 4 LO, that sort of thing. Oh god. I read that as traction control. OOPSIE.
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Jan 13, 2014 01:11
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A Proper Uppercut posted:So Autoblog and a few other places are reporting about Mazda starting to build cars in Mexico in a couple months. It's mostly just that VW buyers are racist dickholes. Mexican built VWs are garbage, just like German built ones, and yet other car companies building cars in Mexico seem to have no issues.
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Jan 13, 2014 01:27
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Ah, good stuff. Very objective. 
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I'm a dickhole, and I don't own any VWs. I might not be racist though, that might be my problem.
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Jan 13, 2014 01:37
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Throatwarbler posted:2 speed transfer case, you know, 4 LO, that sort of thing. ...So there's a 4x4 half-ton pickup that doesn't have a low gear?  I thought that was a given.
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Jan 13, 2014 02:03
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KakerMix posted:I think it has everything to do with where the parts that are used to build the cars come from, rather than where the cheap labor that builds the cars comes from. Nowadays the 'cheap labor' is overwhelmingly robotic anyway; there is a human element in quality control but it's increasingly above the unskilled labor line. The Volkswagen QA legend comes from production decades? ago when that wasn't true. Manufacturing locations tend to be more determined by trade treaties and other policy issues as anything else these days. It's been said here repeatedly but Mazda's been behind the curve moving production out of expensive Japan, and pretty much every major carmaker (including all the 'domestics') builds cars in Mexico already.
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Jan 13, 2014 02:20
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Friar Zucchini posted:...So there's a 4x4 half-ton pickup that doesn't have a low gear? The Colorado isn't a half-ton? EDIT: The source I read it from was wrong. The Colorado does have low gear, but it's a manual locker while the Canyon has "Autotrac" added on as well. Here's have a family photo.  The littlest GMC. 
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Jan 13, 2014 02:25
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I have a German VW that isn't a piece of poo poo and that I'm happy with. What does this make me? 
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A Nazi?
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RE: DCT stuff, I think the big complaint from reviewers (I think Clarkson specifically mentioned this) was the slightly longer time it takes to change into reverse and back, for parking or 3-point turns or whatever. Seems extremely nitpicky to me.
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That 7 speed VW uses in its less powerful models seems pretty bad to me - it isn't particularly smooth and can never quite decide on what gear it should be in (I'm guessing that latter is some type of 'optimization' for the fuel economy tests). Also the 7 speed does have a pretty poor reliability rep so far (at least in my part if the world) The 6 speed from the GTI and bigger diesels does seem much better though.
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dissss posted:That 7 speed VW uses in its less powerful models seems pretty bad to me - it isn't particularly smooth and can never quite decide on what gear it should be in (I'm guessing that latter is some type of 'optimization' for the fuel economy tests). I think it's an issue of, with a dinky 1.6 or smaller there's only so much you can do to make it smooth at low RPM without a torque converter or the kind of extra rev + heavy clutch slip + granny gear only a manual will do. That seems to be the case with all the small NA engine + DCT combos, with Ford usually being described as the worst. They do get good MPGs, though. Mate a DSG to a 2.0t and it's another story; mine has some weirdness when going from a stop facing uphill and that's about it, and that's a small and manageable thing once you learn to expect it. I have a hunch the complaints with supercars come from Ferrari and their race-derived boxes, which I doubt have seen tremendous development time making them kittens at city speeds, nor is that anything their customers will admit wanting.
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dissss posted:That 7 speed VW uses in its less powerful models seems pretty bad to me - it isn't particularly smooth and can never quite decide on what gear it should be in (I'm guessing that latter is some type of 'optimization' for the fuel economy tests). Isn't the 6 speed a wet clutch and the 7 speed dry? I thought that was what made a huge difference between them.
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