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Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

Since we're on the subject, have any of you looked into the transmission Honda is developing? It's an 8 speed DCT with a torque converter.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 03:22

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# ? May 19, 2024 17:48

Friar Zucchini: Aug 6, 2010

Throatwarbler posted:

The Colorado isn't a half-ton?

Got the idea from the wording that the Sierra doesn't have a low gear.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 03:23

Previa_fun: Nov 10, 2004

Since the company I am contracted to has quite a few Focii with the dual-clutch autos I can say that the general consensus from non car-people is that they're kind of poo poo. I have a co-worker that has figured out the best way to drive them is floor it everywhere, though. :v:

# ? Jan 13, 2014 04:18

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Q_res posted:

Since we're on the subject, have any of you looked into the transmission Honda is developing? It's an 8 speed DCT with a torque converter.

I wonder if they build the gears smaller and count on the torque converter to take out some of the shock.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 04:57

Comrade Flynn: Jun 1, 2003

More details on the Z06 leaking:

http://jalopnik.com/2015-corvette-z06-more-specs-leak-out-1499947862

"Numbers like 620 HP, 635 lb-ft, and 8 gears, if Hot Rod magazine is to be believed. They apparently gave up the goat, before quickly pulling it down, according to C7StingrayForum.com.
The numbers are pretty much bang-on with what we heard earlier. In addition to a seven-speed manual transmission, the Z06 will actually be offering an eight-speed automatic, as well, in the form of the 8L90E."

# ? Jan 13, 2014 05:04

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Comrade Flynn posted:

More details on the Z06 leaking:

http://jalopnik.com/2015-corvette-z06-more-specs-leak-out-1499947862

"Numbers like 620 HP, 635 lb-ft, and 8 gears, if Hot Rod magazine is to be believed. They apparently gave up the goat, before quickly pulling it down, according to C7StingrayForum.com.
The numbers are pretty much bang-on with what we heard earlier. In addition to a seven-speed manual transmission, the Z06 will actually be offering an eight-speed automatic, as well, in the form of the 8L90E."

"It will also have rockets mounted on both sides of the car for extra speed and a Turbo Boost button. KITT voice not included"

# ? Jan 13, 2014 05:51

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

Ford F150

New for 2015:

2.7l V6 engine
Power tailgate
360*　parking camera
No more 6.2l

Chrysler 200

quote:

All-new 2015 Chrysler 200 Engineered with Pride for an Exceptional Driving Experience

Segment-first standard nine-speed automatic transmission, innovative all-wheel-drive system, choice of two engine options, fuel economy improvements of up to 13 percent and spirited ride and handling characteristics equal a driving experience customers will look forward to

- Innovative, world-class powertrain is the basis for the extraordinary driving experience and improved fuel economy in the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan
- All-new 2015 Chrysler 200 is the industry's first mid-size sedan with a standard nine- speed automatic transmission, contributing to an estimated fuel economy improvement of up to 13 percent
- First mid-size sedan with innovative all-wheel-drive system that delivers best-in-class efficiency
- Segment-exclusive, standard e-shift rotary knob connects driver and driveline with precision; enables available sport mode
- Modern, state-of-the-art engines power the Chrysler 200
- Standard 2.4-liter MultiAir�2 Tigershark I-4 producing 184 horsepower and 173 lb.-ft. of torque while contributing to estimated fuel economy improvements of 13 percent compared with the outgoing model
- Award-winning available 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine producing best-in-class 295 horsepower and 262 lb.-ft. of torque
- All-new 2015 Chrysler 200 is developed from Chrysler Group's Compact U.S.-wide (CUS-wide) platform � the basis for superior, smooth on-road performance
- Improved aerodynamics helps reduce noise, vibration and harshness while benefitting the fuel economy boost

Exquisite style meets exceptional performance. The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan leapfrogs expectations in the mid-size sedan segment for comfort, ride and handling. Engineered to provide premium driving dynamics, improved fuel economy, a quiet cabin and an enthusiastic driving experience, the all-new Chrysler 200 will surprise and delight drivers and passengers alike.

The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 mid-size sedan represents an efficiency milestone, combining world- class engines with a groundbreaking standard nine-speed automatic transmission and available innovative new all-wheel-drive system that includes a "sport" driving mode and significantly reduces parasitic losses while delivering excellent performance in all driving conditions. With a world-class architecture and state-of-the-art technology, the new Chrysler 200 is engineered to exceed customer expectations in every category.

"Chrysler engineers used the latest technological advances combined with a passion for excellence when developing the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan," said Mitch Clauw, Vehicle Line Executive, C and D Segment Engineering - Chrysler Group LLC. "With an all-new body structure, a standard nine- speed transmission and an innovative all-wheel drive system, the 200 sedan has an amazing road presence and is so much fun to drive, we can't wait for our customers to get behind the wheel."

Engineered from the ground up

The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan was developed and engineered to exceed customer expectations for satisfaction, quality and reliability. FIAT Group architecture � complements of the award-winning Alfa Romeo Giulietta � is the basis for the underpinnings of the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200. The Giulietta is renowned for satisfying the most demanding customers in terms of exceptional driving dynamics and agility, and that DNA carries over to the all-new Chrysler 200 sedan.

The Giulietta's proven modular architecture means many models can be built using the same basic underpinnings. The result is better quality and reliability, as well as lower costs and less development time and tooling. The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 is the third Chrysler Group vehicle in North America to utilize the Compact U.S. Wide (CUS-wide) architecture.

The common, modular and interchangeable components allow for modularity of the wheelbase, front track, rear track, front overhang, length and width across vehicle lines. The front-wheel drive platform was engineered to accommodate compact or mid-size vehicles, cars, CUVs or SUVs, as well as front- wheel drive, all-wheel drive or 4x4 drivelines.

The all-new 2015 Chrysler's body structure has a high-strength steel content of approximately 60 percent, among the highest in the industry. Hot stamped-, high-strength- and ultra-high-strength steel are used to construct a strong, lightweight, solid vehicle architecture.

The Chrysler 200's chassis was engineered to deliver sporty European handling dynamics and steering precision with ride and comfort characteristics tuned for North American roads, resulting in excellent handling for the driver with maximum comfort for both the driver and passengers.

The exceptional balance of fun-to-drive dynamics, ride comfort, emergency handling and a quiet cabin is accomplished through the suspension bushing tuning and the exceptional body structure, including the front aluminum cradle, rear upper/under body structure reinforcement and superior suspension attachment stiffness.

The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 features the proven MacPherson strut front suspension, which is renowned for its packaging efficiency and lightweight. Chrysler engineers specifically tuned the front suspension geometry to minimize camber loss, resulting in more responsive steering and handling characteristics and a smooth ride with little to no road noise � all qualities drivers will appreciate.

The stiffness and low weight of the front suspension helps reduce typical rolling noise, keeping the road noise where it belongs � on the road and out of the 200's passenger cabin.

Many key front-suspension components improve ride quality, durability and safety.

Ride quality is improved, in part, thanks to the use of:
- Split dome anti-sway bar that optimizes the exchange of forces between the suspension and body, filtering out vibrations
- Telescopic hydraulic shock absorbers with high lateral stiffness
- Solid half-shafts throughout the range that help reduce weight and vibration
- Side load coil springs that optimize the thrust axis and help transfer loads on the shock absorber to improve comfort
- High-strength springs

Durability and perceived vehicle quality are improved in part by:
- Spring isolators interposed between the springs and their support bases to eliminate running noise
- One-piece cast-aluminum lower control arms to enhance durability

A third load path, which provides additional safety benefits for drivers and passengers, is created with attachments on the cast-aluminum, flat cross member that are strong enough to absorb loads in the event of an impact. The flat cross member enhances vehicle rigidity.

The 2015 Chrysler 200's front suspension cradle is constructed of high-pressure, die-cast aluminum, which is lighter than more conventional front cradle applications. The cradle also is stiff, helping stop the transmission of noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) into the passenger compartment, contributing to the 200 sedan's quiet interior.

A twist blade multi-link independent rear suspension enables European handling capability for those drivers who love to lean into corners and the smooth ride North American drivers covet.

Many key components of the rear suspension improve vehicle handling, reduce road noise and improve durability:

- Handling performance is improved, in part, thanks to the use of:
- An aluminum cross member with an optimized weight/stiffness ratio that improves the reaction to lateral loads
- A stabilizer bar with torsional stiffness that delivers sporty handling
- Bushings with stiffness characteristics that are designed to maximize handling
- Road and running noise is reduced through the use of:
- Spring isolators between the springs and their support bases
- Bushings with low dynamic stiffening ratios that minimize the noise levels transmitted from the road
- Vehicle durability is improved with the use of:
- Steel springs with high fatigue durability that allow for weight containment
- Chrome guide rods enable very long durability even under extreme use conditions

The rear suspension cradle is purposely isolated from the body, to reduce the transmission of NVH into the passenger compartment.

The 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan's all-season tires provide exceptional grip and balanced performance and contribute to the vehicle's excellent ride comfort. The standard 17-inch and available 19-inch tires were picked with an emphasis on fuel efficiency. The Chrysler 200S model's standard 18-inch tire puts a priority on steering and handling.

Exceptional handling on the road and in all weather conditions

The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 provides a choice of two drivelines for exceptional driving dynamics in all road and weather conditions, standard front-wheel drive or Chrysler's available innovative all-wheel drive (AWD) system. The 2015 Chrysler 200 is the first mid-size sedan to feature complete rear-axle disconnect, which reduces energy loss to improve fuel efficiency. The rear-axle disconnect seamlessly switches between front- and all-wheel drive for full-time torque management and does not require input from the driver.

"The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 is a showcase of powertrain engineering," said Mircea Gradu, Vice President, Transmission, Powertrain, and Driveline Engineering - Chrysler Group LLC. "In addition to exhilarating performance, it delivers the deep satisfaction that comes with owning a dazzling car packed with pioneering technology."

The available all-wheel-drive system uniquely disconnects and reconnects the rear axle � automatically and seamlessly � as needed and at any speed.

On its own, the system accounts for a parasitic loss reduction of up to 80 percent compared with competitive part-time all-wheel-drive systems, which are limited by conventional technology.

The power transfer unit (PTU) and rear-drive module (RDM) are the lynchpins of the system, which proactively engage and then disengage depending on road and environmental conditions. This dramatically reduces spin losses.

As a result, components that would normally contribute to the greatest parasitic loss � driveshaft, ring/pinion, input clutch plates, servo-hydraulic pump assembly and planetary gear sets � are all stationary when the vehicle is in front-wheel drive.

When AWD is engaged, the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan benefits from improved traction and enhanced driving dynamics. Sensors gather vehicle data that compel sophisticated algorithms to smoothly distribute torque fore and aft as required.

System triggers range from road-surface changes to electronic stability control (ESC) activation. As much as 60 percent of available torque can be transferred to the rear wheels, contributing to a total driving experience that inspires confidence and ignites passion.

The experience is further intensified when sport mode is engaged, leveraging the AWD system's full capabilities, the benefits of ESC and the unique character of the available award-winning 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine.

Sport Mode activation is achieved via the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan's segment-exclusive, standard, E-shift rotary dial. The stylish, console-mounted shifter functions electronically.

In sport mode, the all-new 200 sedan's drivetrain is configured to deliver all-wheel-drive when needed, with torque biased toward the rear. It also modifies the ESC's yaw response for more dynamic handling, while seamlessly adjusting the Pentastar V-6 engine's pedal map for livelier performance feel.

Most significantly, the shift schedule of the segment-exclusive nine-speed automatic transmission is altered for firm, quick engagement � a level of responsiveness further intensified by paddle-shifter activation.

Segment-first nine-speed transmission, world-class engines

The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 is the world's first mid-size sedan to feature a nine-speed automatic transmission, which comes standard.

The benefits of the advanced-technology transmission are manifested in a range of characteristics as wide as its 9.81 ratio spread. Most noticeably, the addition of more gear ratios optimizes both fuel economy and performance by precisely matching the gear state to the most efficient engine operating condition.

Paired with the standard 2.4-liter MultiAir�2 Tigershark I-4 engine, the all-new Chrysler 200's fuel- economy improves by up to 13 percent in highway driving, compared with outgoing 4-cylinder engine in the previous model.

When equipped with the available award-winning 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine, which delivers best-in- class 295 horsepower, the all-new 200 sedan's highway fuel economy improves nearly seven percent compared with the outgoing model.

The high-tech transmission dispenses power smoothly for elevated refinement. Such performance is made possible because the ratio steps between its gears are smaller than those of other transmissions.

The nine-speed's first-gear ratio of 4.71 accommodates the superior low-end torque required for more aggressive launch performance. Six-speed automatic transmissions � the segment norm � offer first- gear ratios closer to 4.0.

The transmission ratios for the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 mid-size sedan are:

1st � 4.71
2nd � 2.84
3rd � 1.91
4th � 1.38
5th � 1.00
6th � 0.81
7th � 0.70

Precise shift schedules combine with the transmission's four overdrive ratios to reduce overall NVH levels.

Owners will appreciate an innovative rotary e-shift dial that replaces the traditional console shifter. The exclusive rotary e-shift enables intuitive operation with a direct and confident feel. The convenient, center-mounted, easy-to-understand and operate system provides total control of the sophisticated nine-speed transmission. This new design allows easy shifting and also yields space for more functional and usable storage in the center console.

Fully electronic, the standard nine-speed automatic transmissions features on-the-fly shift map changing, with manual shifting capability via the available paddle shifters. More than 20 individual shift maps for very specific conditions optimize shift quality and shift points for fuel economy, performance and drivability. The intelligent software takes into account variables, such as engine torque gradients, kick down events, longitudinal and lateral acceleration, hill detection, friction detection and downshift detection to determine the appropriate shift map. Additional parameters integrated into the control strategy include vehicle speed control, electronic stability control interaction and temperature. The result is automatic shifting ideally attuned to the performance requirements of almost any driving condition.

Internally, the transmission has four planetary gear sets, two of which are nested for economical packaging. The transmission weighs approximately 30 pounds less than a six-speed gearbox designed for a similar duty cycle.

Of its six shift elements, which comprise four multi-disc clutches and two dog clutches, only three are open at any time. With fewer open shift elements, drag losses due to multiple rotating parts are reduced, further improving fuel efficiency.

Tale of the Tigershark

Efficiency and refinement also are hallmarks of Chrysler Group's 16-valve, 2.4-liter Tigershark
I-4 engine with the MultiAir2 electro-hydraulic fully variable valve-lift system. The high-tech engine, which comes standard in the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200, churns out 184 horsepower and peak torque of 173 lb.-ft. at 4,600 rpm.

MultiAir technology, which is exclusive to Chrysler Group in North America, uses a column of oil in place of the traditional mechanical link between the camshaft and intake valves. The resulting precision maximizes intake manifold pressure, significantly reducing pumping losses.

MultiAir2 takes the innovation further by simultaneously controlling both valve opening and closing events to more effectively manage combustion quality. This ensures the appropriate, effective compression ratio and efficient internal exhaust-gas recirculation (EGR) for improved fuel economy.

Refinement was a key consideration in the design of every Tigershark component, from its fully isolated aluminum head cover with integrated oil-separation system, to its high-pressure, die-cast aluminum block.

Sandwiched between the block and the steel oil pan is a lightweight, aluminum ladder frame with integral oil filter and oil cooler adapter. This lends additional structural rigidity.

The oil pan itself benefits from refinement. Acoustic material is sandwiched between its outer and inner stampings.

The Tigershark's polymer-coated piston skirts and tighter piston-to-bore tolerances contribute to reduced NVH. The cast-aluminum piston, combustion chamber and ports align with the MultiAir2 system for optimal combustion and fuel economy.

Cast-aluminum pistons with a compression ratio of 10:1 are designed specifically for the engine and MultiAir system.

Each bore is fitted with individual oil-squirters in the block that spray oil on the bottom of the pistons and bore walls to maintain cylinder-wall and piston temperatures. This feature also helps prevent hot spots that could lead to knock, while improving performance and fuel economy.

Fitted to the forged-steel crankshaft are new powder-forged-steel connecting rods that feature a full- floating piston pin with diamond-like carbon coating. This further reduces friction and improves fuel efficiency.

Vibration is minimized with the use of a balance shaft module. And to maintain adequate oiling at all engine speeds, the 2.4-liter MultiAir2 Tigershark features a two-stage oil-pressure relief system that reduces engine-oil pumping loads at low engine speeds for better fuel efficiency.

Other key features of the 2.4-liter MultiAir2 Tigershark I-4 engine include:

- 360-degree engine-to-transmission attachment
- Coil-on-plug ignition with dual precious-metal spark plugs
- Front-end accessory drive with automatic tensioning single-belt drive
- Similar to the Pentastar, the Tigershark delivers reduced operating costs because its cam drive, cam-phasing and valve-train components require no scheduled maintenance

Acclaimed for its power and refinement, the available 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine has been listed multiple times among Ward's 10 Best Engines. In the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200, it boasts best-in-class 295 horsepower and generates peak torque of 262 lb.-ft. at 4,250 rpm.

Its defining feature: individual exhaust-manifold runners integrated into the aluminum cylinder-head casting. This not only reduces weight and produces packaging benefits, it increases manufacturing efficiency.

To boost fuel efficiency and volumetric efficiency across the torque band, the celebrated Pentastar V-6 engine boasts variable-valve timing (VVT) with dual-independent cam phasing.

The 24-valve engine's 10.2:1 compression ratio also aids in lowering fuel consumption and improves performance while the variable-displacement oil pump further maximizes fuel efficiency by reducing parasitic losses. The pump is programmed to operate as needed, staying in low-pressure mode below 3,500 rpm, and then bumping up pressure as demand follows engine-speed.

The 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engine features a centrifugal oil separator that reduces operating costs by cutting oil consumption.

Its cam drive and valve-train components require no scheduled maintenance. A 60-degree, deep-skirt, die-cast-aluminum cylinder block with six-bolt main caps affords optimal stiffness for mitigation of NVH.

Additional features that benefit NVH control are:

- A structural windage tray to complement block stiffness
- A structural aluminum oil pan
- Direct-mounted alternator and air conditioning compressor that increases stiffness
- Select-fit pistons with polymer-graphite-coated piston skirts
- "Silent chain" timing drive with inverted teeth for minimal sprocket contact
- Contoured composite cylinder-head covers
- Glass-reinforced nylon composite intake manifold

Further enhancing the Pentastar driving experience is the specially designed intake manifold, which features low-rumble tuning.

The Pentastar's benefits extend beyond the 2015 Chrysler 200's engine compartment to the environment. A unique paper cartridge replaces the conventional spin-on oil filter and can be incinerated.

Since its introduction in model-year 2011, Chrysler Group has produced more than three million 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6 engines that have provided customers with billions of miles of reliable service and driving enjoyment.

Power steering system

The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan's steering system is designed and engineered for the best performance for the driver in sporty driving conditions, as well as excellent handling and reduced effort during parking maneuvers. With a 15.2:1 steering ratio, the 2015 Chrysler 200 is one of the fastest- steering vehicles in the mid-size sedan segment.

The all-new 200 employs standard electric power steering (EPS). All of the power assist is provided via an electric motor system rather than a traditional hydraulic system. Because the system is fully electronic, the driver experiences optimal steering effort at all vehicle speeds, and there is less noise and better fuel efficiency since there is no parasitic loss from a power steering pump.

The boost, or assist, is variable and speed sensitive, responding to sensors monitoring steering torque, steering wheel speed and angle and vehicle speed. The steering system is fully integrated with the vehicle's ESC system and helps to compensate in split-traction, torque steer and pull-drift (crowned road) situations.

NVH and passenger comfort

Drivers and passengers will enjoy conversations when traveling in the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 complements of the available acoustic windshield and side glass, dash construction with inner and outer acoustic pads, and premium NVH insulation.

The 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan offers outstanding heating and cooling performance, including heat up, cool down and defrost, as well as quiet performance.

Engineers used Computational Fluid Dynamics to deliver just the right amount of airflow through the ductwork. A variable displacement condenser continually matches the requested cooling load, which keeps the system stable and helps it operate quietly and efficiently. The central unit doors of the system are electronic; there are no cables, so drivers and passengers experience a more consistent feel when the system is on.

The air outlets are adjusted with rack-and-pinion vein adjusters, which make them both feel pleasant to the touch and give a consistent feel when they're repositioned. Models equipped with automatic temperature control also include a humidity sensor, which creates an automatic defog capability.

Customer-focused vehicle development

The all-new 2015 Chrysler 200 was developed and engineered to exceed expectations for customer satisfaction, quality and reliability. Engineers used Design for Six Sigma (DFSS) to ensure the voice of the customer was captured during the vehicle development process. DFSS folds in voice of the customer data along with lessons learned to ensure every vehicle is of the highest quality possible.

All-new 2015 Chrysler 200 sedan delivers drivers a beautiful, well-crafted, smart sedan with exceptional driving dynamics and is loaded with features that will surprise and delight both drivers and passengers � it's everything a customer wants at a price they can afford.

Exterior shots have already been posted, here's the interior which I think is rather nice.

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jan 13, 2014

# ? Jan 13, 2014 07:01

Kia Soul Enthusias: May 9, 2004; zoom-zoom; Toilet Rascal

A Proper Uppercut posted:

So Autoblog and a few other places are reporting about Mazda starting to build cars in Mexico in a couple months.

People's reactions are ridiculous. Everyone is acting like the cars are going to fall apart. Is there some basis for this or are people just being racist dickholes?

They are going to be making small Mazda 2 based cars for Toyota, also.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 07:17

INCHI DICKARI: Aug 23, 2006; by FactsAreUseless

Thank god, Toyota's been really struggling to break into the small cheap and reliable car market for decades.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 08:15

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

CharlesM posted:

They are going to be making small Mazda 2 based cars for Toyota, also.

Huh? What about the Yaris?

# ? Jan 13, 2014 08:28

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

The Yaris is currenlty imported from France. I imagine production in Mexico will save a bit of money especially since it's a pretty low margin car.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 08:33

INCHI DICKARI: Aug 23, 2006; by FactsAreUseless

What they should do with all the shipping costs they free up then is take the engine out of a FR-S, slap that poo poo in the trunk, and relive the glory days of the Toyota 914.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 08:54

Kia Soul Enthusias: May 9, 2004; zoom-zoom; Toilet Rascal

Throatwarbler posted:

The Yaris is currenlty imported from France. I imagine production in Mexico will save a bit of money especially since it's a pretty low margin car.

Even though it was announced in 2012, it doesn't look like production of the Toyota & Mazda 2 is scheduled to start until next year. They just started making the 3 though, which is good. What I wonder is why they ceased manufacturing the 6 in the U.S.. I guess sales weren't enough to justify overhead of the factory?

# ? Jan 13, 2014 09:58

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

CharlesM posted:

Even though it was announced in 2012, it doesn't look like production of the Toyota & Mazda 2 is scheduled to start until next year. They just started making the 3 though, which is good. What I wonder is why they ceased manufacturing the 6 in the U.S.. I guess sales weren't enough to justify overhead of the factory?

"The factory" is just a line beside the Mustang at Ford's facility. They stopped because Ford no longer had a stake in Mazda and now it just makes Mustangs.

THe new 2.7l twin turbo engine on the F150 will be the first gasoline engine to use a CGI block. That's interesting I guess. It will be the Audi 2.7l TT all over again.

quote:

JAN 13, 2014 | DETROIT
ADVANCED 2.7-LITER ECOBOOST WITH AUTO START-STOP BRINGS NEW CAPABILITY AND EFFICIENCY TO NEXT FORD F-150
Latest EcoBoost� technology in an all-new, even more efficient 2.7-liter engine that features extremely high output and lightweight design coupled with standard Auto Start-Stop optimized for trucks
Delivers the performance of a mid-range V8 with greater efficiency
Real-world durability tested in grueling Baja 1000 off-road race
FOR MORE CONTENT VISIT THE 2015 FORD F-150 PRESS KIT

Ford, America�s truck leader, is expanding its industry-leading range of powerful and efficient powertrains with the addition of an all-new 2.7-liter EcoBoost� with standard Auto Start-Stop engineered specifically for the next-generation Ford F-150.

The high-output twin-turbo 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 features an entirely new design that delivers power and performance in a stronger, smarter package.
�The F-150�s proven 3.5-liter EcoBoost has become the industry benchmark for advanced and efficient truck engines,� said Raj Nair, Ford group vice president, global product development. �We�ve applied lessons learned from the 3.5-liter EcoBoost to the new 2.7-liter EcoBoost, but with new technologies that make this more efficient engine perform like a larger mid-range V8.�
Smart technology powerhouse
Boosting the 2.7-liter EcoBoost�s fuel efficiency is the debut of standard Auto Start-Stop technology in the F-150. This technology, specially tuned for truck customers, shuts off the engine when the vehicle is at a stop � except when towing or in four-wheel drive � to give drivers power on demand when they need it most. When the brake is released, the engine restarts quickly.

The 2.7-liter EcoBoost engine features the first use of a compacted graphite iron cylinder block in a gasoline engine, the same material used in Ford�s 6.7-liter Power Stroke� turbo-diesel V8 engine. The composite CGI/aluminum block saves weight while providing strength where it�s needed most for durability.
�Previous engine block design choices were high strength or compact or lightweight,� said Ed Waszczenko, engine systems supervisor. �We wanted to go further with the 2.7-liter EcoBoost and design an engine with compact structure and high strength and light weight.�
The 2.7-liter EcoBoost also features all-new engine logic that adjusts operating parameters on the fly to provide the best efficiency and performance for the environment and workload.
Other smart new features of the 2.7-liter EcoBoost include:
First use of fracture split main-bearing caps, which create a superior fit between the cap and engine block for reduced crankshaft friction to help improve efficiency
All-new aluminum cylinder heads feature water-cooled integrated exhaust manifolds
Variable displacement oil pump reduces internal engine friction to improve fuel economy
Intake and exhaust variable cam timing that improves torque while helping lower emissions
Lightweight, durable composite intake manifold
Cooling jets beneath the pistons that spray oil on the pistons to help lower operating temperatures
Piston connecting rods use an offset I-beam that provides strength to manage peak engine power levels while reducing weight for better responsiveness
Cartridge-style oil filter integrated into top of the engine for easy service
�No one�s ever built a six-cylinder engine like this,� said Nair. �It combines a host of advanced technologies found throughout the industry to create one of the most technically advanced and efficient engines ever designed.�
Tested tough
Pushing production engines to the limit is nothing new for Ford. Following in the footsteps of the 3.5-liter EcoBoost torture test, Ford labs and the 2013 Baja 1000 provided torturous environments to prove the 2.7-liter EcoBoost�s capability and durability.

The engine, which powered a disguised all-new Ford F-150 specially designed to look like a current F-150, raced Baja in stock form with no additional oil coolers or radiators typically added for multiday off-road races. The 2.7-liter EcoBoost race truck finished the grueling 883-mile event � called by many the toughest Baja 1000 in decades � without any issues. The only part changed during the event was the stock air filter.
In addition to its flawless Baja 1000 shakedown, the all-new 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 has surpassed Ford�s extensive and brutal testing regimen, including:
More than 1,000 consecutive extreme temperature loops that quickly bring the engine from minus 25 degrees to 235 degrees Fahrenheit � the equivalent of driving a vehicle nonstop from Death Valley to Arctic Circle 350 times
Structural fatigue tests that run the engine at full load for more than 17 straight days � the majority of the time at peak torque and power

The engine�s ability to withstand repeated stop/starts was validated with more than 900 test hours simulating 240,000 starts and stops

More than 800 hours of towing and unloaded-driving scenarios across the entire engine power range with gasoline-ethanol mixtures up to E20 and intentionally degraded engine oil

Proven family of engines
In addition to the all-new 2.7-liter EcoBoost, the new F-150 will feature a complete lineup of powerplants to let customers tailor the nation�s best-selling truck to their needs. The 3.5-liter EcoBoost returns, along with an all-new naturally aspirated 3.5-liter V6 and an improved 5.0-liter V8.

The all-new 3.5-liter V6 replaces the current 3.7-liter V6, and uses twin independent variable camshaft timing to provide a flat torque curve and improved efficiency as the highly capable new standard engine in the new F-150. The available 5.0-liter V8 returns with improved cylinder breathing and new mid-lock variable cam timing to improve fuel economy while maintaining its tow-friendly torque.
Sales of Ford F-150 with the 3.5-liter EcoBoost � launched less than three years ago � have already topped 425,000 units in the United States and account for approximately 35 percent of all F-150 sales.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 10:11

dissss: Nov 10, 2007; I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Throatwarbler posted:

The Yaris is currenlty imported from France. I imagine production in Mexico will save a bit of money especially since it's a pretty low margin car.

I don't see why shifting production should need to mean a whole new car - there isn't anything particularly special about the Yaris and it could easily be built anywhere.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 10:29

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

Maybe it will be a rebadged Mazda2.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 10:32

dissss: Nov 10, 2007; I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Throatwarbler posted:

Maybe it will be a rebadged Mazda2.

But why? Toyota already has a car which is competitive in sector (and has been fairly recently refreshed)

e. guess its older than I thought

# ? Jan 13, 2014 10:35

Kia Soul Enthusias: May 9, 2004; zoom-zoom; Toilet Rascal

It will come out toward the end of the current Yaris's lifecycle anyway, and the Yaris is not an exceptional car.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 10:36

Mental Hospitality: Jan 5, 2011

That new 2.7 ecoboost sounds awesome. I hope Ford puts it in a car. (Fusion please!)

# ? Jan 13, 2014 10:37

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

Because they're already going to make the Mazda2 there and it might be cheaper to just slap a Toyota badge on one and sell that instead of importing the Yaris from a high cost country? I don't loving know I'm just going off the posts here in this thread. v :saddowns:

# ? Jan 13, 2014 10:38

dreesemonkey: May 14, 2008; Pillbug

Throatwarbler posted:

THe new 2.7l twin turbo engine on the F150 will be the first gasoline engine to use a CGI block. That's interesting I guess. It will be the Audi 2.7l TT all over again.

Since they use it in the diesel, is it the first because it would typically be overkill for a gasoline engine?

Sounds pretty interesting either way, though. I find it kind of amazing that even just 10 years ago (less?) Ford and other manufacturers were coasting along on decades-old technology just to pad their bottom line.

I'm guessing it's mostly that we have the CAFE standards to thank moreso that just straight up competition. We've now got a bunch of factory turbo'd engines, direct injection, automatic transmissions that have more than 4 loving gears in them. It's about drat time, after all.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 14:28

BabyMauler: Sep 19, 2005

New Canyon looks so much better than the Chevy version. Though I don't think the 3.6L will be a good motor in a truck being used for truck stuff. But if they take one, lower it and put a blower on it... Syclone 2!

# ? Jan 13, 2014 15:13

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

I feel compelled to point out that GM already has a twin-turbo version of the 3.6 in production. That said, we still probably (almost certainly) won't get a new Syclone.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 15:45

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

They've also taken 700lbs out of the new f-150 with an alluminum alloy body and high strength steel frame. That puts the crew cab short box ecoboost at 4900lbs. To put that into perspective, the equivalent sierra is 5200lbs, the equivalent colorado is 4600lbs. the equivalent ram is about 5500lbs.

Here's the 2.7 ecoboost

edit: interior

edit 2: yup

edit: apparently the V6 chrysler 200 is AWD only, can send 60% of the torque to the rear, weighs 3475lbs, has 295hp/262ft/lbs, and can get more power out of premium fuel. That's going to make a seriously wicked rental car.

Powershift fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jan 13, 2014

# ? Jan 13, 2014 16:06

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Hasn't high quality "aircraft grade" aluminum been around since like the 50s? Why haven't we need mass production of cars with it before?

# ? Jan 13, 2014 16:50

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Pryor on Fire posted:

Hasn't high quality "aircraft grade" aluminum been around since like the 50s? Why haven't we need mass production of cars with it before?

Cost, strength, and difficulty of repair.

New toyota ~~supra~~ "FT-1" concept

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/13/toyota-ft-1-concept-detroit-2014/

The interior is pretty awesome, but the body looks like a 90s concept.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 16:56

Math You: Oct 27, 2010; So put your faith
in more than steel

Just curious what all the hate about Ford's DSG is for. Is it just because it doesn't feel like a torque converter auto?

At this point it is the best auto transmission I have had. It's really responsive and utilises the low HP of the Fiesta quite well.

That said, it does take a little getting used to. When I first got the car I felt the clutch working quite a bit, but once you stop driving it like a traditional auto, that goes away completely.

I've never driven another DSG, so maybe it isn't as refined or something, but the image I get is people who have never driven a manual feeling the clutch and freaking the gently caress out.

Powershift posted:

Cost, strength, and difficulty of repair.

New toyota ~~supra~~ "FT-1" concept

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/13/toyota-ft-1-concept-detroit-2014/

The interior is pretty awesome, but the body looks like a 90s concept.

I don't know why considering this is FR, but I immediately thought of the Ford GT - 40 concept. So seconding the 90s vibe

Math You fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jan 13, 2014

# ? Jan 13, 2014 17:03

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Math You posted:

Just curious what all the hate about Ford's DSG is for. Is it just because it doesn't feel like a torque converter auto?

At this point it is the best auto transmission I have had. It's really responsive and utilises the low HP of the Fiesta quite well.

That said, it does take a little getting used to. When I first got the car I felt the clutch working quite a bit, but once you stop driving it like a traditional auto, that goes away completely.

I've never driven another DSG, so maybe it isn't as refined or something, but the image I get is people who have never driven a manual feeling the clutch and freaking the gently caress out.

The biggest complaint i've heard is in stop and go traffic constantly shifting between first and second is that it starts to smell like burning clutch.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 17:06

Tekne: Feb 15, 2012; It's-a me, motherfucker

The 2015 Z06 looks a lot cleaner than what was depicted in the leaked renderings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXIWZtpE5zk

I'm sure this Corvette is going to put down blistering numbers, but I can't help but wonder if it will suffer from heatsoak during a prolonged track session. Asides from that, there's nothing to criticize about the car's features, hell, even the optional 8 speed automatic sounds impressive. The drat thing shifts faster than Porsche's PDK transmissions. :aaaaa:

# ? Jan 13, 2014 17:25

Coredump: Dec 1, 2002

Powershift posted:

The biggest complaint i've heard is in stop and go traffic constantly shifting between first and second is that it starts to smell like burning clutch.

Is it possible to put it in manual mode?

# ? Jan 13, 2014 17:26

TrueChaos: Nov 14, 2006

Tekne posted:

I'm sure this Corvette is going to put down blistering numbers, but I can't help but wonder if it will suffer from heatsoak during a prolonged track session. Asides from that, there's nothing to criticize about the car's features, hell, even the optional 8 speed automatic sounds impressive. The drat thing shifts faster than Porsche's PDK transmissions.

The shifting speed is impressive.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 18:23

InitialDave: Jun 14, 2007; I Want To Believe.

Throatwarbler posted:

2015 GMC Canyon.

Differences between it and the Sierra are available 2 speed TC and "All Terrain" trim with uprated suspension and mud tires.

That chin. They have heard of approach angles, right? Or ruts? It's what, 8" lower than the sills or rear end?

# ? Jan 13, 2014 18:27

davebo: Nov 15, 2006; Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito; College Slice

Tekne posted:

The 2015 Z06 looks a lot cleaner than what was depicted in the leaked renderings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXIWZtpE5zk

I'm sure this Corvette is going to put down blistering numbers, but I can't help but wonder if it will suffer from heatsoak during a prolonged track session. Asides from that, there's nothing to criticize about the car's features, hell, even the optional 8 speed automatic sounds impressive. The drat thing shifts faster than Porsche's PDK transmissions.

What makes you worry about that? Was that a problem on the ZR1?

# ? Jan 13, 2014 18:52

KakerMix: Apr 8, 2004; 8.2 M.P.G.

InitialDave posted:

That chin. They have heard of approach angles, right? Or ruts? It's what, 8" lower than the sills or rear end?

The suburban streets and highways sound terrible where you are!

# ? Jan 13, 2014 19:11

Bulk Vanderhuge: May 2, 2009; womp womp womp womp

InitialDave posted:

That chin. They have heard of approach angles, right? Or ruts? It's what, 8" lower than the sills or rear end?

I'm assuming it's a case of highway mpg > off roading.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 19:15

Fender Anarchist: May 20, 2009; Fender Anarchist

dreesemonkey posted:

Since they use it in the diesel, is it the first because it would typically be overkill for a gasoline engine?

Pretty much. From the sound of it, it's because they needed to get the weight down without sacrificing strength, so they needed an alloy with higher strength per pound, which you normally don't need on gas engines.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 19:21

BabyMauler: Sep 19, 2005

InitialDave posted:

That chin. They have heard of approach angles, right? Or ruts? It's what, 8" lower than the sills or rear end?

I wonder if the Z71 or whatever GMC calls their "Off-Road" package will have a different snoot to compensate for that?

Do the new Sierras have a removable lower air dam for more ground clearance? My Dad has an 03' Z71 and the whole lower part can come off and was a feature he kept talking about. Of course you lose your fog lights but gain a bunch of clearance.

Boy do the color choices suck on the Canyon, no blues, but you have Grandpa I Don't Give A poo poo About My Car Beige

# ? Jan 13, 2014 19:34

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

So, i heard you like rapid depreciation.

edit: the big word this year is weight loss, the f-150 loses 700lbs, the c-class over 200lbs, the mustang supposively 200lbs, and somehow the wrx gets heavier.

Powershift fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jan 13, 2014

# ? Jan 13, 2014 19:55

blk: Dec 19, 2009; .

I really don't care for the new Targa. The silver hoop breaks the rest of the color and shape for me and the top looks expensive to fix - retro for the sake of retro and overengineered for the sake of overengineered. I prefer the look and action of the glass tops.

# ? Jan 13, 2014 20:46

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# ? May 19, 2024 17:48

InitialDave: Jun 14, 2007; I Want To Believe.

KakerMix posted:

The suburban streets and highways sound terrible where you are!

Yeah, yeah, I know, but even if they're just selling the image, they're... not selling it?

Bulk Vanderhuge posted:

I'm assuming it's a case of highway mpg > off roading.

Then why the tyre choice?

I can understand selling a pickup truck to suburbanites based on the totally baller factor of people thinking you're a hardcore pig-farming motherfucker or whatever, but they could do that without a low-range or anything else, just make the suspension a bit higher than it needs to be. So why start down the "off-road capable" path only to have such a basic flaw?

# ? Jan 13, 2014 20:54

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