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change my name posted:What does it say about whites if this guy admits that black people are born with "85% of the brain capacity", but only fail at being rich and successful geniuses because of what he thinks is "black culture"? Liberal race-traitors. Really, that's the answer.
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hobbesmaster posted:I'm really curious about the Korea comment though. The war was a stalemate because of China's entry. I guess he subscribed to the nuke China for entering the war philosophy? I am sure it's nothing more than "these guys are now our chief geopolitical rival and may actually take our place as the world's #1 power, economic and otherwise. I wish we'd killed all these fuckers when they weren't so strong and it would have been a lot easier." The fact that they aren't white just makes it that much easier for him to think and say aloud. Edit: Also, the only surprising thing to me about that Daily Mail business was that there was a freeper admin/mod who actually thought the Daily Mail was a worthless rag and said so. This is a site where WorldNet Daily is one of their most frequently cited sources. Zwabu fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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Zwabu posted:I am sure it's nothing more than "these guys are now our chief geopolitical rival and may actually take our place as the world's #1 power, economic and otherwise. I wish we'd killed all these fuckers when they weren't so strong and it would have been a lot easier." Does Daily Mail do pieces that don't align 100% with their echo chamber? If so, that's your reason regardless of their journalist integrity.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Does Daily Mail do pieces that don't align 100% with their echo chamber? If so, that's your reason regardless of their journalist integrity.
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My parents have come out and said recently that it takes months to see a doctor in Canada. I'm fairly certain that isn't true, but whatever. What's really interesting is that they say that wait times will go up under Obamacare which I don't disagree with, but they frame it as a bad thing that more people are getting insurance (and the obvious solution is to train more doctors). What makes it super interesting is that they don't identify as conservative, but my dad (my mom doesn't vote) has voted straight ticket R for as long as I can remember. We're not white, Christian, rural, or rich and even they don't think ACA is communism. FYGM at its finest, I guess? 
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:WHY YOUNG BLACK MALES ARE NOT GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL "I don't really remember what that egghead jabbered on about, but this is how I feel it was." Freeper life stories are special. Pretty impressive that at least one or two almost interacted with the Pakistanian poster, though. I had not expected that.
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Autumncomet posted:My parents have come out and said recently that it takes months to see a doctor in Canada. I'm fairly certain that isn't true, but whatever. What's really interesting is that they say that wait times will go up under Obamacare which I don't disagree with, but they frame it as a bad thing that more people are getting insurance (and the obvious solution is to train more doctors). What makes it super interesting is that they don't identify as conservative, but my dad (my mom doesn't vote) has voted straight ticket R for as long as I can remember. We're not white, Christian, rural, or rich and even they don't think ACA is communism. FYGM at its finest, I guess? Just ask her who she blames if her favorite restaurant is so busy she has to wait for a table. No one is forcing doctors to take more patients, if they decide to make you wait than that is your doctor deciding he enjoys the extra money more than better patient relations. Also the Canada thing is semi-true. The waits are longer for check ups but emergencies are still seen right away, same as here.
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We in general have a shortage of doctors right now, but that has more to do with artificially limited supply by lobbying from the doctor's association than our healthcare system as a whole. However, there has also been a move from individual practices to open clinic style models, so I know a lot of people who just go for a checkup every so often at the walk in clinic. You can wait a few hours, but you still get seen pretty quickly. The only place where we have very large wait times is for specialists, and that does have to do with out public health care system, but that's because you get placed on a queue after getting a referral from your doctor. The queue has a triage system built into it, so the more potentially deadly or crippling our case is, the faster you see the specialist. Honestly, this seems like a fair system to me, and if we wanted to we could even reduce wait times there even more by subsidizing certain specialist choices to incentivize people to train in them. Our system isn't perfect, but when my Grandma was having serious heart troubles, she saw someone within a week of going to the doctor, due to how serious he determined it was. She got the surgery she needed pretty quickly too, within like a month form that point. Our system is by no means perfect, but it does get people the care they need.
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Autumncomet posted:My parents have come out and said recently that it takes months to see a doctor in Canada. I'm fairly certain that isn't true, but whatever. What's really interesting is that they say that wait times will go up under Obamacare which I don't disagree with, but they frame it as a bad thing that more people are getting insurance (and the obvious solution is to train more doctors). What makes it super interesting is that they don't identify as conservative, but my dad (my mom doesn't vote) has voted straight ticket R for as long as I can remember. We're not white, Christian, rural, or rich and even they don't think ACA is communism. FYGM at its finest, I guess? Being right-of-center on some issues doesn't make you a Freeper. Freepers are a particular breed of frothing, jingoistic bigots who make up a disproportionately vocal sub-demographic among conservatives, and whose influence is gradually waning. Your folks just sound like typical, middle-of-the road types who don't follow politics but lean right on a thing or two.
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Little Blackfly posted:We in general have a shortage of doctors right now, but that has more to do with artificially limited supply by lobbying from the doctor's association than our healthcare system as a whole. However, there has also been a move from individual practices to open clinic style models, so I know a lot of people who just go for a checkup every so often at the walk in clinic. You can wait a few hours, but you still get seen pretty quickly. The only place where we have very large wait times is for specialists, and that does have to do with out public health care system, but that's because you get placed on a queue after getting a referral from your doctor. The queue has a triage system built into it, so the more potentially deadly or crippling our case is, the faster you see the specialist. Honestly, this seems like a fair system to me, and if we wanted to we could even reduce wait times there even more by subsidizing certain specialist choices to incentivize people to train in them. Our system isn't perfect, but when my Grandma was having serious heart troubles, she saw someone within a week of going to the doctor, due to how serious he determined it was. She got the surgery she needed pretty quickly too, within like a month form that point. quote:Our system is by no means perfect, but it does get people the care they need.
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Little Blackfly posted:We in general have a shortage of doctors right now, but that has more to do with artificially limited supply by lobbying from the doctor's association than our healthcare system as a whole. However, there has also been a move from individual practices to open clinic style models, so I know a lot of people who just go for a checkup every so often at the walk in clinic. You can wait a few hours, but you still get seen pretty quickly. The only place where we have very large wait times is for specialists, and that does have to do with out public health care system, but that's because you get placed on a queue after getting a referral from your doctor. The queue has a triage system built into it, so the more potentially deadly or crippling our case is, the faster you see the specialist. Honestly, this seems like a fair system to me, and if we wanted to we could even reduce wait times there even more by subsidizing certain specialist choices to incentivize people to train in them. Our system isn't perfect, but when my Grandma was having serious heart troubles, she saw someone within a week of going to the doctor, due to how serious he determined it was. She got the surgery she needed pretty quickly too, within like a month form that point. Our system is by no means perfect, but it does get people the care they need. This is literally how HMOs work in the states so I'm always a little confused by the complaint.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Does Daily Mail do pieces that don't align 100% with their echo chamber? If so, that's your reason regardless of their journalist integrity. The Daily Mail paper is a right-wing prop rag, the stories they run are chosen and written completely to support the tory party/a few other pet issues. But right-wing in the UK is different to right-wing in America, a lot of Freeper-truth just isn't palatable to UK readers so there's enough space there for Freepers to take issue with them.
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hobbesmaster posted:This is literally how HMOs work in the states so I'm always a little confused by the complaint. I was always confused by the talk about wait times to see specialists coming from Americans. I live in the US and at one point my sister had to schedule an allergist appointment six months in advance. That was extreme, but its not like you can just walk and be seen.
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I think a lot of people don't think "specialist" when they hear "Canadian doctors have absurd wait times!!", they think either primary care doctors or emergency room doctors. I have also heard people outright claim that ER's in Canada have "three hour wait times" as if they didn't have triage systems or as if ER's in the US don't have three hour wait times for non-serious things either. There's a lot of really transparent propaganda trying to paint socialized medicine as bad that people buy into but that generally falls apart under even the slightest scrutiny. EDIT: Another big complaint I've heard is that you wouldn't get to choose your own doctor, you'd have to pick from a list of "approved" ones in your area. You know, almost exactly like how most US insurance plans are set up these days too... Oh and let's not forget that Socialist Europe/England/Canada/Wherever requires that old people are euthanized Logan's Run-style because they cost too much to care for and this is definitely true because Fox said so and I should never doubt this fact or even do any slight cursory research about it 
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I think a lot of people don't think "specialist" when they hear "Canadian doctors have absurd wait times!!", they think either primary care doctors or emergency room doctors. I have also heard people outright claim that ER's in Canada have "three hour wait times" as if they didn't have triage systems or as if ER's in the US don't have three hour wait times for non-serious things either. There's a lot of really transparent propaganda trying to paint socialized medicine as bad that people buy into but that generally falls apart under even the slightest scrutiny. Sure both systems have their flaws. However, the US system allows for the loving over of the undesirables so it's better. 
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There are plenty of metropolitan ER's in the US where patients can wait more than eight hours for care if they come with light injuries. I've taken patients to a hospital in a Socialist Hellhole Finland and in Great Freedomous Murica and ER's, not counting billing, are pretty much 1:1 in how they function. Way too many patients, stupid complaints and long lines. If you are dying, you get to the front of the line. If your toe is broken, you can sit and wait.
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Wow, I sure wish "I may have to wait a long time to see the doctor." was a problem that I or anyone in my income group had, instead of "Seeing a doctor would financially cripple me so I sure hope I'm never seriously injured or ill." I know this is the freep thread and all, but that bullshit isn't exactly a fringe right wing opinion and it's pretty infuriating that healthcare is treated like a luxury in this country.
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There was an ad running in I think the last election, and it had a woman saying "I am a Canadian and It took months to see a Doctor, Canadian system does not work". The woman in question had a very minor problem and lived in a very remote area, and refused to travel somewhere that was not rear end end of nowhere. Eventually a doctor was sent into see her after she bitched and complained. The strange thing is if there was a single payer health care system, companies would not have to provide their employees with healthcare, so that would save them money, unless they actually buy into "taxes will be 100% to pay for all the abortions!!!" talk.
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Wolfsheim posted:Wow, I sure wish "I may have to wait a long time to see the doctor." was a problem that I or anyone in my income group had, instead of "Seeing a doctor would financially cripple me so I sure hope I'm never seriously injured or ill." If you ask any middle class person "Would you willingly go without health insurance?", only the really cocky would say "Yes". In fact, the idea of being without health insurance is terrifying to most people, rightly so. But it's ok as long as other people go without, then whatever. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Jan 13, 2014 |
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I think a lot of people don't think "specialist" when they hear "Canadian doctors have absurd wait times!!", they think either primary care doctors or emergency room doctors. I have also heard people outright claim that ER's in Canada have "three hour wait times" as if they didn't have triage systems or as if ER's in the US don't have three hour wait times for non-serious things either. There's a lot of really transparent propaganda trying to paint socialized medicine as bad that people buy into but that generally falls apart under even the slightest scrutiny. Personal experience time: I live in America, in the South. I went to a major local hospital when I had kidney stones. Kidney stones are not a life-threatening emergency, but I was lying on the waiting room floor moaning in pain clutching my side. I had to wait 5 hours, probably because while I was waiting 3 people with gunshot wounds were wheeled in. So yeah, it's totally single payer healthcare that will cause delays.
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smilingfish posted:Personal experience time: I live in America, in the South. I went to a major local hospital when I had kidney stones. Kidney stones are not a life-threatening emergency, but I was lying on the waiting room floor moaning in pain clutching my side. I had to wait 5 hours, probably because while I was waiting 3 people with gunshot wounds were wheeled in. So yeah, it's totally single payer healthcare that will cause delays. Well, why were they standing in front of the bullets? Gosh, some people are so lazy and inconsiderate. That's what comes of growing up in an Amish paradise.
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smilingfish posted:Personal experience time: I live in America, in the South. I went to a major local hospital when I had kidney stones. Kidney stones are not a life-threatening emergency, but I was lying on the waiting room floor moaning in pain clutching my side. I had to wait 5 hours, probably because while I was waiting 3 people with gunshot wounds were wheeled in. So yeah, it's totally single payer healthcare that will cause delays. poo poo, if the ER had kept me waiting another like twenty minutes when I had a kidney stone late last year I'd probably have passed out. For anyone who hasn't had the 'pleasure' the biggest difference between a kidney stone and those gunshot wounds is that no matter how much you want it to the kidney stone will not kill you.
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smilingfish posted:Personal experience time: I live in America, in the South. I went to a major local hospital when I had kidney stones. Kidney stones are not a life-threatening emergency, but I was lying on the waiting room floor moaning in pain clutching my side. I had to wait 5 hours, probably because while I was waiting 3 people with gunshot wounds were wheeled in. So yeah, it's totally single payer healthcare that will cause delays. That's crazy, the same thing happened to me except I had gallstones (that were originally diagnosed as heartburn) instead of kidney stones. Man, it's almost like America has a real gun violence problem or something...
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Feinne posted:poo poo, if the ER had kept me waiting another like twenty minutes when I had a kidney stone late last year I'd probably have passed out. For anyone who hasn't had the 'pleasure' the biggest difference between a kidney stone and those gunshot wounds is that no matter how much you want it to the kidney stone will not kill you. FWIW, suspected kidney stones are bumped pretty far up the line in triage. Both because they're intensely painful and because we're never sure exactly what's going on in your guts until we get radiology to take a look.
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DemeaninDemon posted:If you can't stand the wait why don't you bootstrap the kidney stones out? I sort of did. By the time they took me back I had already passed it in the public restroom at the hospital, so I was fine. That was until I had to go back to a to the ER with a UTI.  This time I went to a hospital out in the predomitantly-white suburbs. Seen by a doctor in 20 minutes, out within another hour with antibiotics. Previous hospital was in a major urban area, mostly black and hispanic patients. It's almost like there's a disparity in the quality of care based on where you live.Nope, America has the best healthcare in the word  Unrelated note: My mother drove me to the ER the first time and waited with me. She was telling me to keep quiet and stop moaning in pain, because honestly it can't be all that bad to have a kidney stone. Three years later she had kidney stones so bad she had to have surgery. (Apparently a predisposition to kidney stones is a genetic trait.) A sincere apology followed.
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Jesus. I applaud your endurance. For those who don't know, passing a kidney stone is the equivalent of passing a little chunk of razor wire. Through your dick (or female equivalent). Oh and I guess everything in between there and the kidneys.
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I walked a friend to the ER with what later turned out to be a kidney stone. The minute he laid down on the floor, a nurse came over and told him to stop it. When he said it hurt less, she got him a room right away. It was the middle of the day in a college town, so that probably sped things up.
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smilingfish posted:Unrelated note: My mother drove me to the ER the first time and waited with me. She was telling me to keep quiet and stop moaning in pain, because honestly it can't be all that bad to have a kidney stone. Three years later she had kidney stones so bad she had to have surgery. (Apparently a predisposition to kidney stones is a genetic trait.) A sincere apology followed. That reminds me of when I was like seven or so and had my first migraine headache (at least as far as I can remember) during a vacation. My dad was like "can't he just deal it's only a headache?" and then I preceded to throw up all over him.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Jesus. I applaud your endurance. My dad took some meds or had some procedure that broke up his kidney stone so he could pass it easier, said it was like pissing sand and broken glass.
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smilingfish posted:I sort of did. By the time they took me back I had already passed it in the public restroom at the hospital, so I was fine. What you're seeing in that instance is the difference between people who have insurance and are able to get preventive care vs. people who don't and are forced to go to the ED anytime that they're sick or injured, no matter the severity. That's not even accounting for malingerers who just want a sandwich and a place to lie down for a while.
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I only had to wait about an hour when I got my ear ring caught on my car door and ripped the earlobe in half. Probably because I came in covered in blood and trying to stop the bleeding with a liquor store receipt. Of course the bill for that whole thing was something stupid like $3250 for 12 stitches. My insurance picked it up but my HSA took a nice hit because they considered it 'not preapproved cosmetic surgery'. So yeah, best healthcare in the world or something.
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Once I had two health insurances for awhile. When you're double covered, your insurances apparently do a coordination of benefits where they decide who pays for what. Only my two insurances had both decided that the other was responsible for my benefits. So any time I went to the doctor for 6 months it would be followed by an epic battle with both of them to try to get someone anyone to pay for the visit. It got so bad that I asked my NP friend to write me scripts for antibiotics when I got sick because I didn't want to deal with going to the doctor. Yep, I had two health insurances covering me and I had to go under-the-table to get care. America 
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Plinkey posted:I only had to wait about an hour when I got my ear ring caught on my car door and ripped the earlobe in half. Probably because I came in covered in blood and trying to stop the bleeding with a liquor store receipt. I have an non-goon American friend who broke his arm and his insurance company refused to pay for this resetting and cast because it was a pre-existing condition. He appealed it and they covered it, but the crazy thing is that someone at the insurance company though slipping on ice and breaking your arm was something he already had. That was before that Doctor came out and said that the insurance company she worked for had a quota of denials. Death Panels: Okay for the free market.
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quote:To: Cincinatus' Wife Sometimes these guys come up with pretty good ideas.
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quote:To: bigbob Just picking out this from the pile of poo poo because it is so obviously wrong. The entire American Southwest was conquered via war from another indisputably sovereign state, as was Puerto Rico, Guantanamo, Wake and Midway and Guam. The Midwest, Florida, and Hawaii were seized from natives in a combination of wars and coercive treaties which were immediately broken. Did this individual simply not take 6th grade history?
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quote:To: mandaladon Who in the gently caress does he think owns these now???
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Duke Igthorn posted:Who in the gently caress does he think owns these now??? George Soros, most likely.
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