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Bisse posted:A crucial difference is that bleach does not and never will contain tentacle rape. We still haven't seen Shunsui's bankai... If anyone has a tenticles rape bankai it's him.
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Wasn't there some weirdass tentacle girlboy arrancar way back who got offed by Grimjaw?
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Jan 10, 2014 14:51
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Wasn't there some weirdass tentacle girlboy arrancar way back who got offed by Grimjaw? Luppi was his name.
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Jan 10, 2014 15:05
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I'm pretty sure Luppi did more to Rangiku and was more explicit about it than what's happening in Fairy Tail frankly. All that's happened in Fairy Tail is someone forbid a tentacle monster from touching their captive and said monster looked lecherously at them after the captor left. And it's pretty much a dead certainty that Erza will escape and beat said monster to a pulp easily next chapter.
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Jan 10, 2014 16:28
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Bisse posted:A crucial difference is that bleach does not and never will contain tentacle rape. Well, gently caress everything :-(
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Bisse posted:A crucial difference is that bleach does not and never will contain tentacle rape. Neither does Fairy Tail. e: Yet. KoB fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jan 11, 2014 |
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Jan 11, 2014 00:22
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tsob posted:I'm pretty sure Luppi did more to Rangiku and was more explicit about it than what's happening in Fairy Tail frankly. All that's happened in Fairy Tail is someone forbid a tentacle monster from touching their captive and said monster looked lecherously at them after the captor left. And it's pretty much a dead certainty that Erza will escape and beat said monster to a pulp easily next chapter. Bleach also has Yhwach keeping a half-naked Harribel chained up, Loly and Menoly tearing at Orihime's clothes while invading her personal space, one of the other Arrancars shoving his fingers down Orihime's throat, and Numb Chandelier outright threatening Tatsuki with gang rape (although the last one was changed in the anime). There's a surprising amount of implications of sexual violence in Bleach. There is a difference, though; Bleach tends to be a lot less fanservicey about it than Fairy Tail, because matching Mashima's level of shamelessness/tastelessness is hard. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jan 11, 2014 |
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Jan 11, 2014 03:12
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Don't forget "adult" Nel
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Jan 11, 2014 03:21
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KoB posted:Neither does Fairy Tail. As creepy as Bleach has historically gotten I've never thought to put a NWS warning on a link. On that note, did Tite ever explain the deal at all with the Harribel thing?
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Jan 11, 2014 03:32
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Is...is that a female Fresia?
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Jan 11, 2014 04:17
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Silver2195 posted:Bleach tends to be a lot less fanservicey about it than Fairy Tail, because matching Mashima's level of shamelessness/tastelessness is hard. Honestly I'd say the Harribel thing is probably more creepy and shameless than anything Mashima has done now that you remind me of it, given how it's yet to have any actual point and seems to have been forgotten entirely. Mashima draws more of it, but Tite is worse in what he draws I think.
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Jan 11, 2014 04:30
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Spiderdrake posted:On that note, did Tite ever explain the deal at all with the Harribel thing? They're keeping the strongest Hollow alive as a prisoner to make the others more willing to follow Ywach's orders. Anything more is just people reading what they want to out of it.
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Jan 11, 2014 04:32
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Didn't Kubo leave Coyote Stark's death as possibly reversible? Like they had a chart of who was alive, who was dead for sure, and a few maybes as well. Killing him was a huge disappointment.
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Jan 11, 2014 09:44
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KittenofDoom posted:Didn't Kubo leave Coyote Stark's death as possibly reversible? Like they had a chart of who was alive, who was dead for sure, and a few maybes as well. He was on the "Almost certainly dead" list IIRC. I think I already ranted about my feelings on that in this thread once already. tl;dr version, I agree I watched the anime first, and I thought Tsukishima looked a lot like Stark at first. I was hoping that arc was going to be about him having holed up in Karakura after the war and randomly having to fight Ichigo for some reason. 
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Jan 11, 2014 09:57
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Bisse posted:A crucial difference is that bleach does not and never will contain tentacle rape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAwYRW1Cz0c&t=744s I know it's filler
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hagie posted:Is...is that a female Fresia? Frieza's supposed to be a guy??
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korrandark posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAwYRW1Cz0c&t=744s I'm pretty sure that came up in the manga though too for some reason. At least I seem to recall stumbling across it in a manga read after I watched the anime and wondering why the gently caress that wasn't just filler.
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Jan 11, 2014 18:06
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I think it was some goofy 4komas in the manga that got turned into a big thing in the anime because Japan Loves Beach Episodes.
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Spiderdrake posted:As creepy as Bleach has historically gotten I've never thought to put a NWS warning on a link. And Rukia's butt. Thankfully, that's about it.
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Then you have Rangiku commenting on her tits about to fall out, or being cumbersome. You know, playfully though. You also have Yuroichi in some hot springs after she changes from cat form.
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Jan 12, 2014 01:39
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That's all played for comedy though. Rukia's rear end for example is drawn and framed with a total disregard for fanservice. Bleach has more hunky dudes muscle posing than sexy cheesecake shots, I think. Whereas Fairy Tail is like two steps away from that one WSJ manga about a guy trying to bone his cousin or whatever the gently caress. I haven't read it in forever, but I am somehow totally unsurprised Fairy Tail is doing an arc where the two awesome asskicking girls in the guild are held prisoner in a creepy BDSM castle and notLuffy has to throw Bowser into a lava moat or whatever to rescue them.
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Jan 12, 2014 01:59
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Yea, because Bleach readers of all people have a right to complain about stories where the rear end-kicking female suddenly has to be rescued from jail by the series' notLuffy. They may have not have had creepy BDSM dungeons, but Ywach does. And Aizen designed a tentacle rape monster just in case.
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tsob posted:Yea, because Bleach readers of all people have a right to complain about stories where the rear end-kicking female suddenly has to be rescued from jail by the series' notLuffy. Just to be clear, you're saying Rukia and Orihime were competent "rear end-kicking" female characters, right?
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Wrist Watch posted:Just to be clear, you're saying Rukia and Orihime were competent "rear end-kicking" female characters, right? I'm saying Rukia was at the time that she was suddenly captured and just decided to sit demurely in jail for god knows how many chapters at the very least, yes. Orihime might not have been, but then, Mira-Jane isn't exactly the archetype of an rear end-kicking female either considering what her normal appearance in a given chapter is likely to be.
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tsob posted:Yea, because Bleach readers of all people have a right to complain about stories where the rear end-kicking female suddenly has to be rescued from jail by the series' notLuffy. They may have not have had creepy BDSM dungeons, but Ywach does. And Aizen designed a tentacle rape monster just in case. quote:Whereas Fairy Tail is like two steps away from that one WSJ manga about a guy trying to bone his cousin or whatever the gently caress. Even with the creepo factor aside, FT always felt like "Babby's First Shonen" to me. Not that Bleach is good or anything, but Bleach was at least fresh at some point in the distant past...Fairy Tail hits a level of "generic Shonen" that reminds me of a "So You Want to Draw Manga!!!" book in a Barnes and Noble or some poo poo. I swear I almost remember (when I was giving it a chance) there being some sort of Kid's Meal level activity/minigame for readers in one of the Fairy Tail chapters or something, but I'm probably just creating that memory.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Eh, it's still not the same and you know it. Actually, I don't. I differentiate between fanservice and creepy fanservice and while Fairy Tail has oodles of fan-service not much of it is creepy, mostly just kind of annoying and a bit too overt for it's own good. Bleach has more genuinely creepy fanservice to me even if there's less fanservice overall by a long shot. The thing everyone's complaining about in the latest chapter of Fairy Tail for instance is actually rather tame in my view because it's only a creepy look, which plenty of manga have characters indulge in. poo poo, One Piece has had worse. Recently at that, given that Robin had gnomes walking around in her bra and commenting about her chest.
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tsob posted:Actually, I don't. I differentiate between fanservice and creepy fanservice and while Fairy Tail has oodles of fan-service not much of it is creepy, mostly just kind of annoying and a bit too overt for it's own good. Bleach has more genuinely creepy fanservice to me even if there's less fanservice overall by a long shot. You're telling me this isn't creepy? Seriously? What page in Bleach is creepier than this (which appears to be a major plot situation)? Halibel as Slave Leia for a single page, totally forgotten from then on? http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/365/2200/17 It seems to me every other chapter of Fairy Tail features some prominent balloon tits for the kiddies. Those are regular characters from what I can tell. At least with Bleach those characters don't get much screentime. When's the last time you even remember seeing Rangiku? I'm going to just jump into another Fairy Tail chapter to look at. http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Fairy-Tail/Fairy-Tail-312--Threesomes?id=151466#22 Ohhh...uhhh...huhhh...to each their own bro.  We'll have to agree to disagree I guess.
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A tentacle monster leering at a woman is rape now? That's good to know. And no, I don't find that creepy. I didn't even note the page until I came in to this and the Fairy Tail thread and saw all the bitching about "rape". Air quotes very much deliberate, because there's nothing like actual rape in the chapter. The Harribel thing might have only been one chapter, but (a) this is only, what 2? And (b) it was a lot more overt in it's implications and a lot more creepy to me. There's also several other things sprinkled throughout that others have mentioned like Luppi, which are nearly as bad in their own way. As I said above I don't find all fanservice creepy. Most of the stuff in Fairy Tail to me is innocuous and just kind of fades in to the background, barely even noticeable. It's stupid and kind of annoying occasionally, but it's not offensive to me at all. I don't even notice it most of the time anymore. It's just tits (or rear end) after all. I find History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi more annoying than either, not because it has more or it's creepier but mostly because the female characters consistently pose in really, really awkward ways to show off their assets - which Fairy Tail at least manages to avoid most of the time.
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tsob posted:A tentacle monster leering at a woman is rape now? That's good to know. And no, I don't find that creepy. I didn't even note the page until I came in to this and the Fairy Tail thread and saw all the bitching about "rape". Air quotes very much deliberate, because there's nothing like actual rape in the chapter. The Harribel thing might have only been one chapter, but (a) this is only, what 2? And (b) it was a lot more overt in it's implications and a lot more creepy to me. There's also several other things sprinkled throughout that others have mentioned like Luppi, which are nearly as bad in their own way.
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Flameingblack posted:Were you even looking at the same image I was, because she was naked and the tentacle monster had its tentacles all over her body. I wasn't actually (I didn't even click the image on this occasion since the image linked to is always the one of the slime thing leering at Erza), but that page is even more innocuous because it's probably not even the same monster given that the text specifies she's undergoing a procedure and is in an entirely different room. She's not being raped and the tentacles are unlikely to even be directly attached to any kind of sentient being. Even if they are, it's certainly not one that's raping her. It's more likely just a spell to make her a true demon or some poo poo. Is it rape when doctors touch a woman's leg/stomach while operating on them? Because that's basically what's happening here: magic surgical operation. I can see someone complaining about the fact the mangaka felt the need to draw it (don't care personally) or that it's tentacles doing it, but it's still not rape or anything close to it. The tentacles aren't even really doing anything sexual, they're just plugged in to her thighs and stomach. There's similar scenes in films like the Matrix. tsob fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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tsob posted:I wasn't actually (I didn't even click the image on this occasion since the image linked to is always the one of the slime thing leering at Erza), but that page is even more innocuous because it's probably not even the same monster given that the text specifies she's undergoing a procedure and is in an entirely different room. She's not being raped and the tentacles are unlikely to even be directly attached to any kind of sentient being. Even if they are, it's certainly not one that's raping her. It's more likely just a spell to make her a true demon or some poo poo. Is it rape when doctors touch a woman's leg/stomach while operating on them? Because that's basically what's happening here: magic surgical operation. This is a really dumb discussion though, I hope it goes away when the new chapter is out so we can go back to admiring our favorite super star 
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Flameingblack posted:On the next page Freeza-thing says "Don't squeal" and I don't know why you think that giving someone surgery against their consent while being covered in tentacle monsters, naked in front a group of people ok. Edit: Just gonna edit this, because you're probably right in that it's a silly argument and not worth derailing the thread further over. tsob fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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I'm really glad we have some cis-white men to clear up what is and isn't considered rape or creepy. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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seizure later posted:I'm really glad we have some cis-white men to clear up what is and isn't considered rape or creepy. Thanks for the complimentary privilege check.
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So with the high possibility that we'll be getting a chapter tomorrow, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a flashback to when Renji was getting his sword reforged up in the Phoenix palace.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:I'm the sorta guy who typically gets turned off by even the slightest amount of fanservice or creepo/pandering poo poo in manga, it's a personal affront to me as a reader. Are you aware the dude in your avatar is a violent rapist from a creepo fanservice comic? Seemed odd given your posts.
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dipple posted:Are you aware the dude in your avatar is a violent rapist from a creepo fanservice comic? Seemed odd given your posts. Besides I think AIKI's gotten better with that sort of thing compared to the earlier chapters. I think you're definitely not giving AIKI enough credit though, it's a pretty hilarious entertaining series. I'd say it's a credit to the humor that I can tolerate it despite the creepo elements, like it's that funny, which is something I don't think I can say about "Baby's First Shonen" in the form of Fairy Tail. But yeah, it's definitely the exception to the rule when it comes to what I can generally tolerate. And it's true that even when delving through manga while consciously trying to avoid that stuff, you still sometimes get quality entertaining series with creepo poo poo in it, like I enjoy Berserk and Kentaro Miura but there's no denying he's got some really creepy stuff in his series (especially his new little six chapter thing he's doing now). Either way I was simply arguing the fact that Bleach has way less creepy fanservice-y stuff than Fairy Tail. Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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I am going to jettison y'all into the sun if this conversation continues.
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Oh hey the new Bleach chapter is already out- Oh wait no it's not. 
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Genocyber posted:Oh hey the new Bleach chapter is already out- Oh wait no it's not. Yeah,I clicked on this thread when I saw it had like 81 new posts thinking, "Hey man! New Bleach!" Sadly disappointed. :/
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