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Levantine posted:Bravely Default's demo completely won me over after a bit of a rough start and it feels so much like old Final Fantasy it hurts. FFXIV has a similar feel to it as well. Square Enix games scratching that itch with no apologies? It's the 1990's all over again. I wonder how much XIV: A Realm Reborn was tailored to Western fans of Final Fantasy, compared to the XIII series which seems to have only the Japanese in mind. I assume MMO's are much more popular in western countries and places like South Korea than in Japan, so they'd have to ensure that the gameplay and content is designed for these other cultures. If anything, I hope SE learns from the success of A Realm Reborn around the world, and the failure of Lightning Returns in the country it was designed for, and that they shouldn't let Toriyama design games any more. Going overboard with the fetish clothing and garbage writing made it one of the worst-selling main entries in the series, while the guy who listened to everyone's feedback about XIV, and had a keen interest in other MMO's on the market, managed to make a highly successful game.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I dunno, Bravely Default to me is the most FF game to come out in a while. The problem I had with the models is that the drawn art for the game looks AWESOME then the chibi poo poo models look kind of bad. Like if the whole game looked like the cover art that would be amazing. Yeah even the game is like self-conscious about its presentation, because if you stand still in town in the demo they pull out a grandiose zoom to show off the (very pretty) city design. I only played the demo very briefly and that was probably my favorite part about the game.
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That loving Sned posted:Yeah, I thought so too. Take this box art for instance. And then you get in the game and they're all toddlers with little stumpy feet and arms. I'm in these games because my preference for good RPG overrides my revulsion for the extreme trends of anime esthetic, but this trend lately of doing away with feet and/or hands I hope doesn't stick around.
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5er posted:I'm in these games because my preference for good RPG overrides my revulsion for the extreme trends of anime esthetic, but this trend lately of doing away with feet and/or hands I hope doesn't stick around. They're hard to draw so I assume thats the reasoning. I too hope the reign of pig feet people ends soon because no matter how much I enjoy the game my brain keeps going "WHERE ARE YOUR FEET?"
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Jan 15, 2014 17:47
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That loving Sned posted:I wonder how much XIV: A Realm Reborn was tailored to Western fans of Final Fantasy, compared to the XIII series which seems to have only the Japanese in mind. I assume MMO's are much more popular in western countries and places like South Korea than in Japan, so they'd have to ensure that the gameplay and content is designed for these other cultures. If they were going to shitcan Toriyama I think they would have done it by now.
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Barudak posted:They're hard to draw so I assume thats the reasoning. I too hope the reign of pig feet people ends soon because no matter how much I enjoy the game my brain keeps going "WHERE ARE YOUR FEET?" I think it was the fire emblem devs who talked about this in an interview. They tried more detailed legs and arms and found they look terrible when animated in 3D due to the resolution. The pig feet just look a lot better aesthetics wise.
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Barudak posted:They're hard to draw so I assume thats the reasoning. I too hope the reign of pig feet people ends soon because no matter how much I enjoy the game my brain keeps going "WHERE ARE YOUR FEET?" There's a cheap Rob Liefeld joke in here somewhere, I'm sure of it.
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Mokinokaro posted:I think it was the fire emblem devs who talked about this in an interview. They tried more detailed legs and arms and found they look terrible when animated in 3D due to the resolution. The pig feet just look a lot better aesthetics wise. Ugh but they really don't. What's wrong with Fox's feet from Smash Bros 64? Those things were like 3 polys, but they still worked as feet. And the 64 rendered at poo poo x rear end resolution.  Looks about a million times better than pig feet. 
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Jan 15, 2014 18:55
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I thought it had more to do with recreating the SNES sprite aesthetic.
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I can imagine them needing to use as few polygons as possible on the DS for Final Fantasy III, IV, and 4 Heroes of Light, but I guess they just wanted to keep the same style on the 3DS.
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Jan 15, 2014 19:04
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Al Baron posted:
Are they consistent with that? If so it's a weird but understandable translation change. Esper/Espier are both used. I don't get why they'd go out of their way to change it but still. Otherwise, what the hell S-E.
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Al Baron posted:
No, you see it's all part of the upgrade. Before they were esper, now they're espier. In the remake they'll be espiest. A Great Big Bee! fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:No, you see it's all part of the upgrade. Before they were esper, now they're espier. In the remake they'll be espest.
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Nihilarian posted:Obviously it should be esper, espara, espaga. Espr1, Espr2, Espr3. Espr2 is bugged and does nothing.
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Jan 15, 2014 20:55
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Al Baron posted:
God dammit, now I'm gonna end up playing that port just to see what else the translation changed and/or hunt for more typos. Depending on whether it's an intentional change or a typo.
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Is the port based on a later GBA release or something with extra content or is it just the HD version of the SNES cart on Android?
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ImpAtom posted:Are they consistent with that? If so it's a weird but understandable translation change. Esper/Espier are both used. I don't get why they'd go out of their way to change it but still. Otherwise, what the hell S-E. Isn't esper supposed to be ESP-er anyways, like the monsters all had ESP powers? Or maybe they all won ESPN awards 
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1st AD posted:Isn't esper supposed to be ESP-er anyways, like the monsters all had ESP powers? Yeah, Esper is a word that was basically supposed to be ESPer but it's pretty rare to see it written that way.
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1st AD posted:Isn't esper supposed to be ESP-er anyways, like the monsters all had ESP powers? That would ESPYer and it would be the worst party ever. Nobody should have to consider putting any member of Around the Horn into their party.
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Jan 15, 2014 21:03
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Some of the translation changes in the ports/remakes do bug me though, it takes me a second to consider the differences between Curaga and Curaja and there's no point to changing it from Cure 3 and Cure 4 other than pleasing insufferable weaboos.
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Jan 15, 2014 21:06
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Except that "Curaga" is a flavor point of the series. "Cure 3" is just... Cure with number at the end.
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Jan 15, 2014 21:08
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L'cie and fal'cie are also flavor points, still loving dumb though.
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1st AD posted:Some of the translation changes in the ports/remakes do bug me though, it takes me a second to consider the differences between Curaga and Curaja and there's no point to changing it from Cure 3 and Cure 4 other than pleasing insufferable weaboos. It's more than it is the term they've been using for nearly 15 years now and they want to remain consistent. They kept the changed names instead of calling Terra Tina or whatever so it isn't like they're going crazy. Every Final Fantasy game (and spinoffs like Bravely Default) have been using roughly the same spell names for over a decade. Doing things like calling it Pearl instead of Holy is kind of meaningless when almost every other Final Fantasy game they can play will be using a different naming scheme. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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Jan 15, 2014 21:11
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No it isn't. Like, how is it dumb? They're magic spells, not computer programs. "Cure 2" just sounds silly. It only existed because of cartridge size restrictions. Like, you have to be really stupid to not get that the healing spell you learn much later in the game, with a higher MP cost, is stronger then the one you learned earlier.
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I agree that it doesn't particularly add anything meaningful to change the numbers to -ara/-aga/-aja, but at least it isn't Dragon Quest where the "proper translations" of the spells are things like Fizzle that don't give you the slightest loving insight into what they do unless you play a bunch of Dragon Quest and memorize them. Which of these is a single target fireball and which is multitarget? I could've sworn I had a resurrection spell, where d- oh, "Zing".
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Zombies' Downfall posted:I agree that it doesn't particularly add anything meaningful to change the numbers to -ara/-aga/-aja, but at least it isn't Dragon Quest where the "proper translations" of the spells are things like Fizzle that don't give you the slightest loving insight into what they do unless you play a bunch of Dragon Quest and memorize them. Which of these is a single target fireball and which is multitarget? I could've sworn I had a resurrection spell, where d- oh, "Zing". Actually, 'Fizzle' isn't the proper translation either. (According to the DQ wiki it's "Mahotoon") And the only gripe I had is 'Fizzle' and 'Frizzle' sound too much a like, the spells are pretty easy to remember. 'Sizz?' 'Evac?' 'Midheal?' I think we all know what those do.
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Jan 15, 2014 21:36
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Esperagus.
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Pasteurized Milk posted:Esperagus. 
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Camel Pimp posted:Actually, 'Fizzle' isn't the proper translation either. (According to the DQ wiki it's "Mahotoon") And the only gripe I had is 'Fizzle' and 'Frizzle' sound too much a like, the spells are pretty easy to remember. 'Sizz?' 'Evac?' 'Midheal?' I think we all know what those do. Well, it is and isn't a translation. The Dragon Quest spell names are all onomatopoeia but those obviously don't translate 1-for-1 to English so they chose to convey the intent instead of the literal translation.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:I agree that it doesn't particularly add anything meaningful to change the numbers to -ara/-aga/-aja, but at least it isn't Dragon Quest where the "proper translations" of the spells are things like Fizzle that don't give you the slightest loving insight into what they do unless you play a bunch of Dragon Quest and memorize them. Which of these is a single target fireball and which is multitarget? I could've sworn I had a resurrection spell, where d- oh, "Zing". At least it ain't Atlus spells. It took me many game before getting used to the Kaja spells alone.
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Camel Pimp posted:Actually, 'Fizzle' isn't the proper translation either. (According to the DQ wiki it's "Mahotoon") And the only gripe I had is 'Fizzle' and 'Frizzle' sound too much a like, the spells are pretty easy to remember. 'Sizz?' 'Evac?' 'Midheal?' I think we all know what those do. "Sizz"? I assume that's short for "sizzle," as in a fire spell? So they can fit "fizzle" and "frizzle," but they just called this other spell "sizz"? This sounds like a terribly annoying naming scheme here.
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Schwartzcough posted:"Sizz"? I assume that's short for "sizzle," as in a fire spell? So they can fit "fizzle" and "frizzle," but they just called this other spell "sizz"? This sounds like a terribly annoying naming scheme here. Sizzle is the tier 2 fire spell. It goes Sizz -> Sizzle -> Kasizz -> Kasizzle. Frizzle is also a tier 2 spell. So you get Frizz -> Frizzle -> Kafrizz -> Kafrizzle. Most if not all offensive spells follow the (spell)-> (spell)le -> Ka(spell) -> Ka(spell)le naming scheme. Same as Fire -> Fira -> Firaga -> Firaja Fizzle is a debuff spell and all have fairly easy to remember names. Fizzle, Sap, Snooze, Blunt, Fuddle, ect. You can probably guess that most do just by the name. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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Pasteurized Milk posted:Esperagus. Espergers Dr Pepper posted:No it isn't. "Curaga" just sounds silly. What does that even mean? Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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Jan 15, 2014 22:17
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Clearly they need to go back to Dragon Warrior I's HURT and HEAL.
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ImpAtom posted:Sizzle is the tier 2 fire spell. It goes Sizz -> Sizzle -> Kasizzle. Frizzle is also a tier 2 spell. But yeah, as far as JRPG spell names go, Final Fantasy is far and away the most intuitive. Regular Spell Name, -ra, -ga, -ja. Super easy to remember. Then there's Shin Megami Tensei, where there's sort of a pattern but not really, then there's Dragon Quest, where the spell names are onomatopoeia that may or may not have anything to do with the spell (is 'zing' really the sound of someone coming back to life?) And then there's The World Ends With You, where there's legitimately a series of spells called Gimme Dat Sheep, Gimme Dat Hippo, and Gimme Dat Elephant. Fister Roboto posted:"Curaga" just sounds silly. What does that even mean? Final Fantasy Wiki posted:The word "Curaga" distinctly means "to take charge" or "to take responsibility" or "manage" in Latin. Endorph fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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Fister Roboto posted:"Curaga" just sounds silly. What does that even mean?
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Endorph posted:And then there's The World Ends With You, where there's legitimately a series of spells called Gimme Dat Sheep, Gimme Dat Hippo, and Gimme Dat Elephant. And once again we arrive at the Golden Truth; TWEWY is the best jRPG.
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Nihilarian posted:It doesn't matter what it means, aga's just there to denote a certain tier of spells. It's cure + (3rd tier). So why not just Cure 3? Why does Cure 3 sound silly but Curaga doesn't?
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Fister Roboto posted:So why not just Cure 3? Why does Cure 3 sound silly but Curaga doesn't? They both sound silly, but Curaga at least sounds silly in a Fantasy kind of silly. Cure 3 sounds like a terrible named function or some computer program. Honestly since FF started off as some weird D&D homage obviously they should be Cure Light Wounds, Cure Moderate Wounds, Cure Severe Wounds and Cure Critical Wounds.
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