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Kiper's skills aren't in talent evaluation, they're that he's been doing this forever and has the contacts of a guy who has been around forever, so he can give you a pretty solid industry consensus. If you want the best in depth talent evaluations, that's probably Dane Brugler at this point.
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Declan MacManus posted:Man you're fuckin hostile. Mettenberger is a statue who does make bad decisions and forces it into coverage no matter how many times you try to shout that idea down and playing in a "pro" offense isn't that much more important since lots of past first offenses (Saints, Pats, etc.) revolve around taking snaps from the shotgun much more than under center, and most teams relying on a traditional under center offense rely on play action to set up deep passes, which Boyd is pretty good at. I would take any of this seriously if not for your obvious UF fandom, sorry.
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This was Kiper's first mock last year. Actual draft pick in parenthesis. quote:1. Luke Joeckel (2) So yeah. It's uh. Extremely fluid. I mean I guess at least he was able to guess at least 20 first round picks?? None to any team that he predicted, though. Not one correct guess of team fit. You just can't take the early mocks seriously. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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Professor Funk posted:Hunt barely saw any snaps this year from what I can tell and I haven't really read much about him outside of what I saw pre-draft. Did he not show much of anything during the season or did he sit a lot because he's still raw as all hell? I was really enamored with the idea of the Jets taking him should he fall to them at 39 (the Geno pick) last year.
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jeffersonlives posted:Kiper's skills aren't in talent evaluation, they're that he's been doing this forever and has the contacts of a guy who has been around forever, so he can give you a pretty solid industry consensus. If you want the best in depth talent evaluations, that's probably Dane Brugler at this point. Does he though? I see almost nothing that indicates that he has any inside track on the industry, even with his old connections and his present day ESPN connections. I'm not sure how much that's him keeping quiet on purpose but he's absolutely nothing compared to McGinn who gets direct quotes straight from the source.
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Doltos posted:They had Michael Johnson and Carlos Dunlap, that's probably why. Also Hard Knocks made it very clear that Hunt was talented but still a work in progress. That makes sense. For some reason I always forget about Carlos Dunlap, even though I obviously shouldn't. I guess starting defensive linemen play such a huge percentage of overall defensive snap counts (at least guys like Johnson, Dunlap, Atkins, etc.) that it's naturally tough for a guy as raw as Hunt to see the field. Edit: Regarding that mock, I don't see any way Amaro falls to the Patriots. Assuming he performs well leading up to the draft, I feel like the Jets would take him at 18 if Evans/Lee/Ebron are off the board (which doesn't seem out of the question). Professor Funk fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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John Brown posted:I just saw a mock draft on nfl.com that has Dallas taking Louisville FS Calvin Pryon at 17. Almost all of the draft guys I follow on Twitter have been talking up Pryor relentlessly for the last couple weeks, fwiw.
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In contrast with the Kiper mock, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks over on NFL.com put out their first mocks today too: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-drafts Both have Clowney going 1st overall.
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If the draft happened tomorrow I'm comfortable with Clowney first overall. By the way, if you guys want to create your own mocks within that spreadsheet we made yesterday, feel free to make a new tab and enter in data.
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There's part of me that feels like the Rams should just take Clowney. They could rotate Long heavily between the two end spots and then let him line up at DT in obvious pass rushing situations. Granted, they have big needs at OT, WR, and maybe even QB depending on what people think of Bradford, but if Clowney really is a head above anyone else, then you figure it out. It kind of reminds me of people who advocated that the Vikings should pass on Peterson, because they already had Chester Taylor, though I realize that Long is better and younger than Taylor was.
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No Safe Word posted:In contrast with the Kiper mock, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks over on NFL.com put out their first mocks today too: Eesh, if Kony Ealy is available at #23 I would take a good hard look at him as a replacement to Tamba Hali. Hali could be cut for 5.5mil in cap savings, or hopefully traded to get some valuable return. I would hate to lose Hali but he's one of those bigger contracts that might have to bite the bullet here soon since we're looking fairly tight against the cap.
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Speaking of TFF mocks, when are we going to start up the TFF GM draft, after the combine? I want to get through all four rounds this year, we've got all these drat picks to use!
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Mind you all that this is a nutso deep draft and a lot of your second round picks are going to be first round quality.Grozz Nuy posted:Speaking of TFF mocks, when are we going to start up the TFF GM draft, after the combine? I want to get through all four rounds this year, we've got all these drat picks to use! Let's start it up in February. That'll give us two months which should be long enough for one round.
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You'll get through the first 50 picks or so before petering out and you'll like it damnit
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Doltos posted:If the draft happened tomorrow I'm comfortable with Clowney first overall. If you're really gung-ho about your mock drafting and want to win a championship ring for being good at it, keep an eye on ourlads.com http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft-challenge/ They don't have the 2014 challenge up yet, but you can see the 2013 pile of mocks.
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bhsman posted:I would take any of this seriously if not for your obvious UF fandom, sorry. You're trying a bit too hard
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excidium posted:Eesh, if Kony Ealy is available at #23 I would take a good hard look at him as a replacement to Tamba Hali. Hali could be cut for 5.5mil in cap savings, or hopefully traded to get some valuable return. I would hate to lose Hali but he's one of those bigger contracts that might have to bite the bullet here soon since we're looking fairly tight against the cap. WR is pretty deep this year anyway. If we can get a good FA then there's no reason to draft one in the first. Clinton-Dix should be the main target but he won't fall and we don't have much ammo to trade up with, so it'll probably end up being a DE like Early or Tuitt.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:You're trying a bit too hard I felt my effort should only be equal to Declan's~ EDIT: I'm not even trying to insult Gator fans, so you don't have to feel obligated to defend him.
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Declan isn't a UF fan in the slightest man
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Well at least Kiper says he doesn't have Manziel as the top QB but thinks the Texans will take him for (dumb) reasons. Gil Brandt thinks Manziel is the #1 overall prospect for any position http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000312939/article/johnny-manziel-ranks-no-1-on-top-50-nfl-prospects-list?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb 
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^^^I like Manziel but...the #1 prospect? Seriously? Half of that is just the position he plays.Groucho Marxist posted:Declan isn't a UF fan in the slightest man Ohshi-! Well sorry Declan I'll just ignore your post on principle then.
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Azhais posted:If you're really gung-ho about your mock drafting and want to win a championship ring for being good at it, keep an eye on ourlads.com I did this last year and I got at least nine picks correct 
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added a positional rankings sheet to the google doc. Current rankings are based on the order listed (and very incomplete). I expect this to be a shitshow down the road.
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Intruder posted:Well at least Kiper says he doesn't have Manziel as the top QB but thinks the Texans will take him for (dumb) reasons. Gil Brandt thinks Manziel is the #1 overall prospect for any position yes and Jerry Jones will take every player from Arkansas IT HAS TO HAPPEN EVENTUALLY
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Isn't there some contest where you get $1m if you get all 32 first round picks right? Not that I'd be worried if I were running said contest
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Parmesan Basil posted:WR is pretty deep this year anyway. If we can get a good FA then there's no reason to draft one in the first. Clinton-Dix should be the main target but he won't fall and we don't have much ammo to trade up with, so it'll probably end up being a DE like Early or Tuitt. Ealy would be an OLB in the 3-4.
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Intruder posted:Well at least Kiper says he doesn't have Manziel as the top QB but thinks the Texans will take him for (dumb) reasons. Gil Brandt thinks Manziel is the #1 overall prospect for any position I don't like to use this word as I find it to be lazy and insulting to people with mental conditions but Gil Brandt is a retard.
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Gil Brandt's top 10's for 2012 and 2013. He might slightly overvalue the QB position but QBs are still really goddamn important so probably not.quote:2012
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There's no way that 2012 one is pre combine is there? I could swear RG3 wasn't a top 10 pick yet at this time of year Also what are the numbers in the parentheses? They're certainly not draft order
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bhsman posted:Ohshi-! Well sorry Declan I'll just ignore your post on principle then. Dude, I have no dog in this race but you really need to chill out.
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Grozz Nuy posted:Dude, I have no dog in this race but you really need to chill out. Last post on it: Maybe he shouldn't have gotten in a huff for being told to gently caress off for a flippant post, then. I've only even brought up Mett as a potential 2nd-round pick, and even then I've mostly talked about Manziel, Teddy, or even Boyd, but bring up the guy from LSU and oh man I'm such a homer. His response wasn't necessarily calm and measured, either, so I was equally flippant. I'll stop being dumb and argumentive about it, but it wasn't unprovoked.
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I absolutely love the JFF hype. Please God, let Bridgewater fall to the Raiders.
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Intruder posted:There's no way that 2012 one is pre combine is there? I could swear RG3 wasn't a top 10 pick yet at this time of year 2013 looks pre-combine/post senior-bowl. Eric Fisher wasn't out of the second round until his awesome senior bowl practices and Mingo fell behind Jordan around that time. 2012 looks like it was made during the combine right before Coples started to fall.
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Intruder posted:Also what are the numbers in the parentheses? They're certainly not draft order
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Doltos posted:2013 looks pre-combine/post senior-bowl. Eric Fisher wasn't out of the second round until his awesome senior bowl practices and Mingo fell behind Jordan around that time. 2012 looks like it was made during the combine right before Coples started to fall. Fisher seemed like a late-first/early second dude until he stonewalled everyone aside from Alex Okafor at the Senior Bowl, and even then Okafor had to use his bull rip-club super move or whatever to beat him. EDIT: And if that sounds like a joke regarding Okafor's move, it's not.
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Intruder posted:Isn't there some contest where you get $1m if you get all 32 first round picks right? Not that I'd be worried if I were running said contest You're almost more likely to win those whole "pick all 64 games of March Madness" bracket buster deals because at least there you are limited to a 50/50 chance with each matchup. Here you have hundreds of guys that could go in any of the 32 slots.
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No Safe Word posted:You're almost more likely to win those whole "pick all 64 games of March Madness" bracket buster deals because at least there you are limited to a 50/50 chance with each matchup. Here you have hundreds of guys that could go in any of the 32 slots. They hand those out at the draft and you could win like 10k and an all expenses paid trip to somewhere. If I was lucky enough to land all 32 spots in a draft I'd be expecting some sort of massive powerball winning instead.
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Doltos posted:They hand those out at the draft and you could win like 10k and an all expenses paid trip to somewhere. If I was lucky enough to land all 32 spots in a draft I'd be expecting some sort of massive powerball winning instead. I haven't seen those recently, but I did win a Fred Taylor-autographed mini helmet at Day 3 last year. In retrospect, doing Day 1, watching day 2 at home with wings and beer, and then casually heading in for day 3 was a strong play that I may replicate this year.
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bhsman posted:I'll stop being dumb and argumentive about it, but it wasn't unprovoked. I will never provoke you again, promise. Not even if it means defending my beloved Gators. Intruder posted:There's no way that 2012 one is pre combine is there? I could swear RG3 wasn't a top 10 pick yet at this time of year RG3 was a top ten pick somewhere around the fourth game of the season when that hype train was running full steam and I think he cemented himself as the #2 guy overall around the time he won the Heisman.
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Declan MacManus posted:I will never provoke you again, promise. Not even if it means defending my beloved Gators. Not just the #2 but there were a few people saying he might go over Luck. It was a minority, but it was there.
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