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Factory Factory posted:That... would be a significant disappointment compared to how they're selling this. The whole subtext behind HSA and HUMA was that GPGPU programming would become as easy as sufficiently threading your workload. How does this make OpenCL programming any easier? (HSA is mostly hype? from a collection of hardware vendors? THEY WOULD NEVER)
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Other things that it brings to the table: User-level task queues that allow you to launch work to the GPU without going through the kernel. Along with removing memory copy overheads, this can help you to accelerate kernels that traditionally would have their GPGPU benefits outweighed by their data copy and kernel launch overheads. The ability to launch GPU kernels from the GPU itself, without needing to bounce between the CPU and the GPU. Again, reducing overheads and potentially reducing the complexity of porting some codes. Details without the marketing: http://developer.amd.com/wordpress/media/2012/10/hsa10.pdf
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Does this mean inside a few weeks we might...actually have an AMD CPU it is *not* totally insane to buy? e: Wait no they call it an APU don't they, because there aren't enough tech acronyms for me to remember. Mulva fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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AMD's DockPort connector (formerly known as Lightning Bolt) has been blessed as a royalty-free part of the DisplayPort standard. This allows USB 3.0 + DisplayPort over the same passive cable, offering similar capabilities to ThunderBolt at a fraction of the price. At launch performance will be 5Gbps like USB 3.0, though this will scale to 10Gbps like ThunderBolt with USB 3.1.
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AMD seems to be doing well. I can't wait 'til we see all these new technology out in the wild. Of course, these could all go the way of AMD's past initiatives.
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Alereon posted:AMD's DockPort connector (formerly known as Lightning Bolt) has been blessed as a royalty-free part of the DisplayPort standard. This allows USB 3.0 + DisplayPort over the same passive cable, offering similar capabilities to ThunderBolt at a fraction of the price. At launch performance will be 5Gbps like USB 3.0, though this will scale to 10Gbps like ThunderBolt with USB 3.1. drat. Make it carry power with that new laptop power standard I heard about recently and they'll have one up on apple.
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Factory Factory posted:That... would be a significant disappointment New thread title found.
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Anandtech has posted their initial Kaveri APU reviews. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/amd-kaveri-review-a8-7600-a10-7850k It continues the saga of AMD making minor improvements in power efficiency and processing speed while remaining solidly in 2nd place. Surprisingly, they actually pulled out a good 30-50% improvement in the medium (45w) power segment. This is offset by lackluster changes to the A10 line. They managed to increase IPC but had to lower clock rates...  If you didn't want an APU before, you still don't want one now. The thread title remains true. 
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I don't know why people poo poo on the APUs so much. They are great CPU/GPU combos for the market they are hitting. That being the general consumer laptop market. Cheap and well performing laptops that fare well in gaming. I don't think a lot of people realize how many people actually game on their laptops and will put up with 15-20 FPS on an Intel IGP.
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I am planning on getting a Kaveri setup to replace my ancient HTPC, which will do nicely. For low power and low demand applications, these cores are pretty awesome. I am gunning for the 65W one which will be about half of the TDP on my Wolfdale C2D 3ghz and 6670 setup. That being said, there is no way in hell this would go in my good gamin' rig.
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mayodreams posted:That being said, there is no way in hell this would go in my good gamin' rig. Of course not. That would be silly. I'm glad that tech report and hardwarecanuks have put up really good reviews and show its strengths and weaknesses for what they are. A great and cheap multi purpose CPU/GPU for the mainstream laptop market. I have an older A6 that still surprises me to this day with the games I can play. It'll be interesting to see what the price point on laptops will be with the high end APUs.
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Stanley Pain posted:I don't know why people poo poo on the APUs so much. They are great CPU/GPU combos for the market they are hitting. That being the general consumer laptop market. It's really not the APU's fault, and I do think they made a really compelling case for getting an A8-7600 at 45w in your next laptop. The problem is the laptop segment highlights how shittily manufacturers are making use of them. Customize (because nobody has a model by default) any halfway decent APU laptop and suddenly it costs 800 bucks without an SSD, is housed in a brick, and the manufacturer throws in a discrete graphics card for no drat reason. Their main advantage, which is being cheap but effective enough, hasn't been passed to the consumer.
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Blorange posted:It's really not the APU's fault, and I do think they made a really compelling case for getting an A8-7600 at 45w in your next laptop. The problem is the laptop segment highlights how shittily manufacturers are making use of them. Customize (because nobody has a model by default) any halfway decent APU laptop and suddenly it costs 800 bucks without an SSD, is housed in a brick, and the manufacturer throws in a discrete graphics card for no drat reason. Their main advantage, which is being cheap but effective enough, hasn't been passed to the consumer. What are you looking for in a laptop? My ASUS trinity A8 system was $270 refurbished and $380 new. There are prebuilt systems out there at an affordable price point that use the APUs the way AMD intended.
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Blorange posted:It's really not the APU's fault, and I do think they made a really compelling case for getting an A8-7600 at 45w in your next laptop. The problem is the laptop segment highlights how shittily manufacturers are making use of them. Customize (because nobody has a model by default) any halfway decent APU laptop and suddenly it costs 800 bucks without an SSD, is housed in a brick, and the manufacturer throws in a discrete graphics card for no drat reason. Their main advantage, which is being cheap but effective enough, hasn't been passed to the consumer. I'll second the sentiment of WTF $800? My A6-3420 with 8GB RAM Was something like $350 nearly 2 years ago. Toss in a $150 SSD and what more are you looking for in? Once you start customizing you're quickly leaving the mainstream consumer market behind. When I was in between "real" jobs I was a district manager for Geek Squad and the one thing that I took away from that is never underestimate how cheap people want to be with their hardware purchases. Be it monitors, laptops, TVs, whatever, people want to spent $100 and have it all. Heck take a look Display thread here. People want it all for $200 
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I stand corrected, you can definitely find these in the $300-$500 range if you're not too picky. I think that's my issue, if you step outside of the 4gb ram, 768p screen and 500gb standard hard drive spec things get expensive quick.
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Blorange posted:I stand corrected, you can definitely find these in the $300-$500 range if you're not too picky. I think that's my issue, if you step outside of the 4gb ram, 768p screen and 500gb standard hard drive spec things get expensive quick. I think 768p is the operative one. Laptop manufacturers still seem locked into the idea that you probably want your 15" laptop to be lower resolution than your 5" phone, and if you don't you must be one of those big spenders after a $1000 machine. Sure, an APU isn't going to game well at 1080p, but when I'm not gaming I really need that screen space.
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Killer robot posted:I think 768p is the operative one. Laptop manufacturers still seem locked into the idea that you probably want your 15" laptop to be lower resolution than your 5" phone, and if you don't you must be one of those big spenders after a $1000 machine. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Basically, the problem with all AMD based laptops is they tend to be 1366x768, 15.4", huge and plasticy. Get some 13" and 14" slim ones with the higher end APUs in there, with a decent screen, and you're on to something. But I'm not sure that even exists.
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I'd say please legislate the banning of 768p screens, but a lot of people actually desire them, I guess. My parents find it easier to read, though they did finally upgrade to a large 16" dell w/ a 1600x900 screen.
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I'm just trying to confirm my suspicions, but has AMD made anything awesome for the time since the 965 BE time period?
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Ignoarints posted:I'm just trying to confirm my suspicions, but has AMD made anything awesome for the time since the 965 BE time period? The 965 BE wasn't really awesome for the time that I can think of, their last CPUs I remember that were really above and beyond the competition were the Socket 939 dual-core Athlon 64s. In more recent years, they've sometimes had a value leader with the Athlon X3 CPUs that overclocked well and could usually have a 4th core unlocked, but now Intel has better options in pretty much any price range.
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Weinertron posted:The 965 BE wasn't really awesome for the time that I can think of, their last CPUs I remember that were really above and beyond the competition were the Socket 939 dual-core Athlon 64s. I thought it was awesome :3 well... when it was $105 and could overclock to 4.0 with no effort and somehow outperform the FX's then. But im probably just biased. I also had one of those 3 cores that I unlocked, was a very awesome $75 at the time. Nothing since has really inspired me to buy AMD though
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Ignoarints posted:I'm just trying to confirm my suspicions, but has AMD made anything awesome for the time since the 965 BE time period? Athlon64s kicked the poo poo out of Pentium 4s of the time (At everything but media encoding), but ever since Core2s were introduced it was downhill from there. I don't think there's been a single solid win since the Athlon64 days. On the server side, there's somewhat frequently been occasions when Opterons were a very good choice, but again, that hasn't been the case since Nehalem era Xeons came on the scene.
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I've read crowing from AMD fans about more and more games making use of all their cores, etc., but until I see cold, hard data proving performance equality/superiority to the i5's it's all a load of wishful hooey. All of that not-withstanding the power consumption issues. e: speaking in references to the FX line only. Wistful of Dollars fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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Gwaihir posted:On the server side, there's somewhat frequently been occasions when Opterons were a very good choice, but again, that hasn't been the case since Nehalem era Xeons came on the scene.
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El Scotch posted:I've read crowing from AMD fans about more and more games making use of all their cores, etc., but until I see cold, hard data proving performance equality/superiority to the i5's it's all a load of wishful hooey. If it's multithreaded properly an Intel processor will chew through the workload a hell of a lot faster regardless, kind of a moot point in my opinion. And it would need to be multithreaded properly in order to take advantage of the many slow cores on the consoles as opposed to fewer very fast cores, even compared to AMD's FX processors. Jaguar is not good at quick serial workloads, so they've gotta be spreading out the CPU time in an efficient way (finally) ((thank god)) and if that's done, then until you get to unreasonably high core counts, scaling should be pretty much the same from one to sixteen-ish. Workload coherence and the need to code specifically (and expensively!) for targeted very highly parallel processing pops its head up after two 8-core processors, as I recall.
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Alereon posted:There also are some applications that are core-limited and thus run more efficiently on Opterons, though since Xeon cores are faster and more efficient there's not TOO many applications where sheer core count wins.
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adorai posted:We intend to evaluate servers with AMD processors for our next generation VDI farm. For what it's worth (which isn't much) we use Citrix VDI (on VMware), and we currently have two servers: what makes this interesting (beyond the fact I spec'd them out) is that one is Intel and one is AMD, so I can do a direct comparison. (Bear in mind this is a school, so the following specs of course reflect our budget). One is a PowerEdge R620 with 2x Xeon E5-2609: 8 Sandy Bridge cores @ 2.4GHz. One is a PowerEdge R515 with 2x Opteron 4184: 12 Lisbon (last before Bulldozer) cores @ 2.8GHz. I recall in a virtual Windows 7 session on each the AMD box scored higher in CPU under WEI (two cores each). Which is incredibly unscientific, I realise, but I haven't had the need or time to run anything more extensive. They're both pretty responsive (but that's mainly because all the virtual machines are on SSDs), but I would say the sheer number of cores in the AMD box, despite the archaic architecture, makes it pretty good value. I do have a Bulldozer based box as well, with a single 3 module Opteron 4234, but it's only set up as a fileserver, pretty much. I've been a bit more sceptical about Bulldozer for VDI stuff, I guess. We'll see how it goes if we need to expand this setup. Basically the choices have been dictated by crippling budgets and the need to get the best performance for said crippling budget. (Those servers were bought at different times). HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Jan 16, 2014 |
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Well this is interesting: The AMD Kaveri APU appears to use a similar uncore as the PS4 APU, supporting quad-channel memory and GDDR5. (Note that the first feature table is only for features enabled in shipping Kaveri products.) There's no way this could be supported on current motherboards due to socket limitations, but could lead to some very compelling Steam boxes or gaming laptops. Performance with DDR3 would be similar to a Radeon HD 8830M, which is rather impressive.
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Alereon posted:Well this is interesting: The AMD Kaveri APU appears to use a similar uncore as the PS4 APU, supporting quad-channel memory and GDDR5. (Note that the first feature table is only for features enabled in shipping Kaveri products.) There's no way this could be supported on current motherboards due to socket limitations, but could lead to some very compelling Steam boxes or gaming laptops. Performance with DDR3 would be similar to a Radeon HD 8830M, which isn't is rather impressive. That is very interesting, seeing as the CPU itself uses a totally different architecture to that which resides in the PS4. Huh.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Inserting typical Fez and Stanley Parable would run like gangbusters on that thing!
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Beautiful Ninja posted:Fez and Stanley Parable would run like gangbusters on that thing! Which is what I was thinking. Until AMD pushes an APU that rivals at least the x700 series, I don't see why a gamer would buy an APU for their desktop. Laptops I saw the value, but desktops I just don't see it. Unless someone is still gaming with a 1024x768 monitor. I guess that would be a good use case for an apu in a desktop. edit: Desktop built for gaming. If HSA takes off, it would be another use case.
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