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Ugh. I have no business spending money after Christmas but that is hard to pass up.
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There any consensus on hard drives that are reliable/low failure rate for NASes? I just picked up the Synology ds213j and plan on starting one HD and after getting some data on it buying another to mirror it.
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5436 posted:There any consensus on hard drives that are reliable/low failure rate for NASes? I just picked up the Synology ds213j and plan on starting one HD and after getting some data on it buying another to mirror it. wd red.
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Cross-post: Was gonna do a NUC Celeron build with USB stick, OpenElec, 4GB RAM, and an IR Receiver/Remote. I want to set up a NAS to serve media to it with at least a 4TB drive inside. Does anyone have options/opinions on my best route to go with NAS/HDD? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=2386006&perpage=40&pagenumber=211#post424433890
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LLJKSiLk posted:Cross-post: I'll personally push the synology option, but it really depends on your budget, and whether you want to build your own nerd box running nerd software or pick up something which only requires inserting hard drives and minimal configuration.
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Civil posted:I'll personally push the synology option, but it really depends on your budget, and whether you want to build your own nerd box running nerd software or pick up something which only requires inserting hard drives and minimal configuration. Any particular one? I'm confused by the different models/prices. Currently I have an HP Mediasmart server, and use it to serve to PS3, 360, and computers around my home. That being said, it does certain things well to certain devices, and HD playback is not one of them. I use Apple TV for formats which the 360/PS3 can't handle with Airplay, but that has stutter and only works with small files. I suppose I could try utilizing it, or installing ubuntu server/plex on it and see if that improves the situation? I just want to be able to watch HD video on my television, and figured the HTPC was the way to go so I could get beyond having to deal with Apple TV/360/PS3 and just have a single device. I just need to be able to serve data properly.
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LLJKSiLk posted:Any particular one? I'm confused by the different models/prices. I upgraded from a N40L to the DS212+. It was the 4-bay NAS that had the fastest CPU, and stated that it was the best for transcoding. I usually watch media over PS3's (DLNA), and it doesn't seem to have a problem with 1080p stuff I've encoded from bluray. XBMC uses DLNA as well, I believe. Synology also has free apps for iOS and Android that stream directly, but you can also just browse the network share on android and watch without streaming conversion, too. It may be a hard sell to drop $600 on a NAS without disks, so if you need to spend less, you're gonna have to go the nerd route.
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Jan 14, 2014 22:36
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The cheapest one disk underpowered Synology does DLNA fine als long as you're a 100% sure no transcoding will ever be needed. EDIT: Wait, I'm not sure I've actually tested with 1080p ever, so ignore me for lack of relevance.
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Jan 14, 2014 23:05
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This guy here: http://froberg.me/ He put Ubuntu Server/PMS on the HP MediaSmart that I have, so I may do that and use it to serve media that way. It has room for 3 expansion drives, so I can put up to a max of 11TB in it I believe. Not sure how easy the drop-in works with ubuntu server, but may be worth doing. I'm really not impressed with the WHSv1 I've got on there.
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LLJKSiLk posted:This guy here: http://froberg.me/ I really don't think there is anything you can do to your existing MediaSmart box to have it transcode fine. The CPU is just not there.
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Moey posted:I really don't think there is anything you can do to your existing MediaSmart box to have it transcode fine. The CPU is just not there. I think it can be upgraded to a core 2 from what I've read. Sufficient?
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Is it possible, and if so how easy, and I suppose more importantly, how wise would be be to run Xpenology as a VM pulling from 6 1GB WD Greens (not in a RAID array of course, for the obvious reasons, but just as separate disks)? And I guess just to ask a million and one questions here, why is there all of a sudden so much love for Xpenology vs. NAS4Free and all the others? I use a real Synology Disk Station at work, but is all that really necessary at home? Its just a bunch of single drives (WD Greens that I wont even likely JBOD). 
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Bit of a strange question here: I'm currently running a Ivy Bridge Pentium as my Nas4Free box, and an AMD Bulldozer E-350 unit as my bedroom's HTPC. If I reversed that (putting the E-350 in my NAS), would I have to rebuild the drive array that's already in there? Or will Nas4Free recognize a ZFS array and configure it?
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eightysixed posted:Is it possible, and if so how easy, and I suppose more importantly, how wise would be be to run Xpenology as a VM pulling from 6 1GB WD Greens (not in a RAID array of course, for the obvious reasons, but just as separate disks)? The love is probably because of ease of use. For some people the costs (I'm guessing primarily relatively inflexible disk management) of using ZFS simply outweigh the benefits. Psimitry posted:Bit of a strange question here: I'm currently running a Ivy Bridge Pentium as my Nas4Free box, and an AMD Bulldozer E-350 unit as my bedroom's HTPC. If I reversed that (putting the E-350 in my NAS), would I have to rebuild the drive array that's already in there? Or will Nas4Free recognize a ZFS array and configure it? Assuming you get Nas4Free running fine on the AMD box then recognizing the existing array shouldn't be that huge of an issue. I'd be more concerned about the performance of ZFS on that E-350 which is not a bulldozer, it's a bobcat. Longinus00 fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jan 16, 2014 |
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God damnit silverstone, I just bought a q25. Anyone know where to buy one of these. http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=452&area
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Does anyone know if I can replace ST3000DM001 drives with WD30EFRX drives in a ZFS array using whole disk devices? I'm concerned there might be slight capacity differences that would prevent this from working. Is the relevant specification "user sectors per drive?" They look identical at 5,860,533,168. I just had a double drive failure in a RAID-Z2 of 6 ST3000DM001 drives. I'm leery of just RMAing due to the somewhat bad reputation this model is getting, but if I buy replacements I want them to work.
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Don Lapre posted:God damnit silverstone, I just bought a q25. Anyone know where to buy one of these. It's brand new, give it a bit.
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KS posted:Does anyone know if I can replace ST3000DM001 drives with WD30EFRX drives in a ZFS array using whole disk devices? I'm concerned there might be slight capacity differences that would prevent this from working. Is the relevant specification "user sectors per drive?" They look identical at 5,860,533,168. If you have drives of equal or larger size, ZFS should resilver onto them just fine.
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Don Lapre posted:God damnit silverstone, I just bought a q25. Anyone know where to buy one of these. Where would you find a motherboard that size that can support that many drives?
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UndyingShadow posted:Where would you find a motherboard that size that can support that many drives? H87 ITX boards can have 6 sata3 connectors plus a pci-e 16x slot. edit: asrock has itx boards with 12 sata connectors http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=C2750D4I Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jan 16, 2014 |
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^^^  At the bottom of that page under recommendations: ASRock C2750D4I. code:
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This one has a socket 1150 even http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=E3C224D4I-14S
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Don Lapre posted:This one has a socket 1150 even £313 is the only price I can find. Which would mean basically $399 with usual pricing.
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Wild EEPROM posted:£313 is the only price I can find. Which would mean basically $399 with usual pricing. Yeah, those are super nice, but not 400 bucks nice.
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Also, the extra ports on those motherboards are usually some crappy no-name chip, so there won't be great driver support in anything that isn't Windows.
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Not on this one, it's Intel C224 for 4x sata3 and 2x sata2, and LSI 2308 for the 2x mini sas 8087. LSI 2308 is also found in controllers like the SAS 9207-8i, which is 300 bucks on its own.
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FISHMANPET posted:Also, the extra ports on those motherboards are usually some crappy no-name chip, so there won't be great driver support in anything that isn't Windows. Besides, Asrock lists a whole slew of supported OS' for the Avaton motherboards - and in my experience, at least with Asrock, that means they've verified OS recognition with 'dmidecode' and 'pciconf -lv' (or similar tools that not-FreeBSD uses) for the version they list . Don Lapre posted:This one has a socket 1150 even BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Jan 16, 2014 |
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I just use a random LSI card on my ASRock C224 mini ITX board and call it a day. That version is different from mine in that the extra LSI onboard is causing the physical dimensions to go up. I do not recommend either of them currently for most people using FreeNAS at this time because of some wonkiness that I can't explain with my network boot, but if someone else is doing fine with DHCP on restart with an Intel i210 on FreeNAS, I'm all ears. On the other hand, I'm wondering if the motherboards I burned trying to handle the UNAS-NSC800 would be worth ditching for this Silverstone case just because it'll be so much easier when I have to mess with the board. I wasn't about to wait for CES to build a NAS though. The thing I remember about those new Atom / Avoton boards is that some of those only take SO-DIMMs. If you're looking to use ECC for filesystems like ZFS and BTRFS, well good luck getting ECC SO-DIMMs (they exist, I've seen them in part catalogs) without having to be a big-name OEM.
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Avoton supports 64GB? That is pretty neat. Now why does a regular Xeon only support 32GB? Product segmentation?
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Longinus00 posted:
I had the same concern, but doing some quick Google research informs me that not only do people run a zfs setup on the e-350 with good results, but also the even less powerful c-60. Was mainly concerned about having to offload my data somewhere and reformat the drives. If that's not a concern, I have no problems switching the hardware as a test to see if it will work. If it doesn't, I can always go back.
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The Xeon E3 lines are basically just rebadged Core i5/i7 processors with ECC and VT-whatever support tacked onto the package (they're even the same LGA1150 sockets while most Xeons are on LGA2011/LGA1366). Those inherent limitations keep those Xeons at 32GB RAM max (8GB DIMMs on 4 physical channels). The Avotons are likely being aimed at keeping Intel relevant in the lower-end hosting market (everyone's been screaming for something lower power to succeed their old LGA1366 Xeons without going full retard enterprise), which it basically has hit a home run with its balance of power and CPU performance, so 64GB of RAM for high density nodes seems like a mandatory requirement for a few years to come. The suckers only use about 30w at full tilt for 1/2 the performance of an E3-1220v3 but maybe 1/3 the power use of it. I'm not sure how they compare to the Core i3-4130 I put into my NAS, but I suspect it's a bit slower while using a few watts less power. The featureset of the Core i3-4130 series and Avoton Atoms are almost identical otherwise. The key thing to look at though is that the Avoton CPUs are getting fanless setups from OEMs and more readily packed with highly capable SAS controllers on there while there's I think just one so far on the mini ITX side for the LGA1150 processors. HP offers Avoton CPUs in their high density blade offerings alongside the Centerton based Atoms and some AMD equivalent, so we'll all benefit from this investment in the end.
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necrobobsledder posted:The Xeon E3 lines are basically just rebadged Core i5/i7 processors with ECC and VT-whatever support tacked onto the package (they're even the same LGA1150 sockets while most Xeons are on LGA2011/LGA1366). Those inherent limitations keep those Xeons at 32GB RAM max (8GB DIMMs on 4 physical channels). The Avotons are likely being aimed at keeping Intel relevant in the lower-end hosting market (everyone's been screaming for something lower power to succeed their old LGA1366 Xeons without going full retard enterprise), which it basically has hit a home run with its balance of power and CPU performance, so 64GB of RAM for high density nodes seems like a mandatory requirement for a few years to come. The suckers only use about 30w at full tilt for 1/2 the performance of an E3-1220v3 but maybe 1/3 the power use of it. I'm not sure how they compare to the Core i3-4130 I put into my NAS, but I suspect it's a bit slower while using a few watts less power. The featureset of the Core i3-4130 series and Avoton Atoms are almost identical otherwise. As a hardware geek, all that's super exciting, but at the same time kinda frustrating, because it will always be cheaper to throw a bunch of hard drives and an off the shelf mobo in a desktop case, and get a great FreeNAS setup.
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Psimitry posted:Was mainly concerned about having to offload my data somewhere and reformat the drives. If that's not a concern, I have no problems switching the hardware as a test to see if it will work. If it doesn't, I can always go back. Yup, this is one of the benefits of softraid (including ZFS) - any OS that supports your particular softraid implementation and the drives you're using can easily read the array, whereas a hardware RAID solution would be dependent on the particular controller you use.
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necrobobsledder posted:
Man, that Silverstone case and Avaton-based ASrock motherboard has me rethinking my new-NAS approach completely. I was thinking of going with a SuperMicro X10SL7-F and whatever case I could find, but Silverstone+Asrock will likely end up around the same pricepoint and I like it way more. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jan 16, 2014 |
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IOwnCalculus posted:Yup, this is one of the benefits of softraid (including ZFS) - any OS that supports your particular softraid implementation and the drives you're using can easily read the array, whereas a hardware RAID solution would be dependent on the particular controller you use. How come hardware RAID controllers don't use some sort of standard so they are interchangeable?
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That's the great thing about standards, there's so many to choose from!  No incentive to do so, really. RAID controllers are either really cheap and crappy for home users, and who cares if they have to back up their data? You can sell them more drives! Or they're expensive, "enterprise grade" controllers with proper LSI chipsets and the like - but enterprises are supposed to follow "best practices" where part failures are always replaced with the same part under warranty, and when something is old and you can't easily source warranty replacements you should do a hardware refresh. Same sort of reason that ZFS isn't going to get expand-by-one-drive functionality; it's an enterprise product being developed for those users, the needs of the cheapass home user aren't even a concern.
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Interesting! Thanks for the info. Got another question...how many years away are we from mechanical drives being completely phased out? Can solid state drives eventually get to 4TB+ in the smaller form factor?
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I don't see a need for a spinning disk in a desktop / laptop at all. For home use you have stuff like the WD Mybook or a NAS if you're a bit nerdier, and enterprise hasn't been storing anything locally for a while (ideally). Spinning disks will be around as long as they are cheaper per GB than flash with acceptable performance, but hidden away in a datacentre.
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The short answer is, who the gently caress knows? Anyone claiming to know, are most probably pulling bullshit out of their asses. Personally, I prefer SSDs for OS and using a server with platter disks for all other storage. Here's some actual data with which you can form your own opinions:   BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jan 16, 2014 |
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