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NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

Fruity Gordo posted:

because implying that seeking psychiatric help is an indulgent waste of money for people who appear functional (when people all over multiple psychiatrically disordered spectrums routinely minimise their suffering to family and peers) and is only something that Obviously Damaged people should pursue stigmatises mental illness and has been proven in sociological and psychiatric literature to demonstrably discourage people from seeking psychiatric help to their enormous personal and social detriment and as a social worker and a person with a mental illness this pisses me the gently caress off

its real drat expensive in the us

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Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

Spanish Manlove posted:

Nice job being a cryptojew, I'm proud of you

lol of course you know about cryptojews espanerd

amarantinesky
Aug 29, 2013

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amarantinesky fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Apr 4, 2014

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Fruity Gordo posted:

lol of course you know about cryptojews espanerd

Eat the ham

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

NecroMonster posted:

its real drat expensive in the us

it's not necessarily, i know of a lot of organisations in the us that provide low-cost psychotherapy and CBT. but yeah in the us it's loving hosed and i know basic healthcare is hard for the poor to get, let alone specialised or general psychiatric care, but that's no reason to discourage people from even bothering to look for it or for people who can help them find it

also in australia psychiatric care isn't cheap either. maybe 2% of psychiatrists bulk bill (don't charge a client, directly charge the government under medicare), the rest charge you a premium after medicare which can range from $20 to $150 to probably more. it's a huge burden for people in poverty and earning low wages (like moi), and i'm one of the lucky ones bc my shrink charges me on a sliding scale bc he rules. most people dont have my kind of shrink, but they should.

something may have been lost in translation with your and i, i am absolutely not implying that the usa has a functional mental health system. in fact, i'm saying that comments like anne whateley's help perpetuate the dysfunctional mental health system in america and the same views have ruined our mental health system here

amarantinesky
Aug 29, 2013

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amarantinesky fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Apr 4, 2014

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

amarantinesky posted:

That's why I added "or religious" because I wouldn't keep kosher either way.

Most Jewish people in my area (and there's a considerable Jewish population, we had vacation days for all the high holidays) aren't very conservative while my mom is a crazy evangelical Christian, so maybe being Jewish would have made my life better. :shrug:

Also that's the cutest kitty :3:

have you ever been to a purim party

srsly go to a purim party, invite yourself. if you bring coconut rum you're a shoo-in

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

amarantinesky posted:

feminine things get dumped in the category of impractical luxuries more than they should be

not cats, tho. cats belong in that category


ignore the fact that dog shows are 65% women, 25% gay men, and 10% other please.

for the record i classify most obnoxious toy breeds as rodents

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
As a prosperous member of the white race what do you even talk to a therapist about? I'm genuinely curious. Do they just slam a prescription down or do they rec that you exercise more and eat healthy?

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
I live in New York, there is absolutely no shortage of sliding-scale therapists. Moodgym is also a great alternative to try, along with the dozen other things e/an regularly recommends.

Fruity Gordo posted:

comments like anne whateley's help perpetuate the dysfunctional mental health system in america and the same views have ruined our mental health system here
Maybe you need to reread my comment but here's what I was saying: I think it's a luxury when
1) people without major issues (i.e. "my job isn't my dream job" not "I am cutting my wrists")
2) who constantly talk about how broke they are
3) spend thousands of dollars on very fancy therapists when there are proven but untried cheaper alternatives
4) on therapy that lasts for years/decades with no perceivable benefits or changes
BUT if that's your chosen luxury then that's your call.

If they were in this thread you'd be screaming at them instead for their first-world problems.

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

Spanish Manlove posted:

As a prosperous member of the white race what do you even talk to a therapist about? I'm genuinely curious. Do they just slam a prescription down or do they rec that you exercise more and eat healthy?

my shrink is jewish as well so mostly we just count our money and cackle and then he tithes me

Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jan 17, 2014

amarantinesky
Aug 29, 2013

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amarantinesky fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Apr 4, 2014

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!
have fun on your date and carry a gun!!

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

Anne Whateley posted:

I live in New York, there is absolutely no shortage of sliding-scale therapists. Moodgym is also a great alternative to try, along with the dozen other things e/an regularly recommends.

Maybe you need to reread my comment but here's what I was saying: I think it's a luxury when
1) people without major issues (i.e. "my job isn't my dream job" not "I am cutting my wrists")
2) who constantly talk about how broke they are
3) spend thousands of dollars on very fancy therapists when there are proven but untried cheaper alternatives
4) on therapy that lasts for years/decades with no perceivable benefits or changes
BUT if that's your chosen luxury then that's your call.

If they were in this thread you'd be screaming at them instead for their first-world problems.

i have colleagues in new york who say the opposite, especially in comparison to sydney, but i accept that they could be wrong because their work in the field is coloured by working in the field

there's also a pretty fundamental distinction between psychiatrists and psychologists and those 'sliding-scale therapists' you're talking about are pretty much all psychologists trained only in CBT which very rarely works for patients with involuntary compulsions and/or addictions unless it is done in concert with psychotherapy and sometimes group therapy, so

anyway thank you for telling me what my reaction would be to your bullshit scenario that will never happen, i have learned that i am an intolerant

Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jan 17, 2014

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Spanish Manlove posted:

As a prosperous member of the white race what do you even talk to a therapist about? I'm genuinely curious. Do they just slam a prescription down or do they rec that you exercise more and eat healthy?

I've only had the one therapist so far, so i dunno what all of them do but mine just has it as a big ole space to talk about anything, like venting to a friend but you don't have to worry as much about being oppressingly self-centered, and then we talk about healthy strategies and alternative ways to approach/view things that don't reinforce hosed up ways of thinking
he's offered to rec meds but unless it's critically necessary I'm not comfortable chugging drugs

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020
for the love of God don't ask him about stairs

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Pththya-lyi posted:

for the love of God don't ask him about stairs

but what if he's not protected???

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine

Spanish Manlove posted:

As a prosperous member of the white race what do you even talk to a therapist about? I'm genuinely curious. Do they just slam a prescription down or do they rec that you exercise more and eat healthy?

Even rich white people can get sick. I know we always hear about that program to assign each rich person at birth a poor person to act as a sort of Picture of Dorian Gray type substitute, but we're honestly decades away from that being workable.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

Fruity Gordo posted:

i have colleagues in new york who say the opposite, especially in comparison to sydney, but i accept that they could be wrong because their work in the field is coloured by working in the field
I obviously have no idea what the field is like in Sydney at all. When I was looking in New York a few months ago, I found plenty who had sliding scales down to $20-30/hour with openings.

quote:

there's also a pretty fundamental distinction between psychiatrists and psychologists and those 'sliding-scale therapists' you're talking about are pretty much all psychologists trained only in CBT which very rarely works for patients with involuntary compulsions and/or addictions unless it is done in concert with psychotherapy and sometimes group therapy, so
OK so we're talking about entirely different groups then, thanks

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!
also holy poo poo i don't care about how much rancid poo poo you can talk about your friends. even if they were the most boring privileged weenie shits on earth you're still being a bigger weenie talking harmful poo poo. i must have written like at least 500 words about how you're talking harmful weenie poo poo, just shut the gently caress up, christ almighty

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

Spanish Manlove posted:

As a prosperous member of the white race what do you even talk to a therapist about? I'm genuinely curious. Do they just slam a prescription down or do they rec that you exercise more and eat healthy?

i have accomplished precious little in my lifetime and my therapist is helping me become a functioning human being

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

AriadneThread posted:

I've only had the one therapist so far, so i dunno what all of them do but mine just has it as a big ole space to talk about anything, like venting to a friend but you don't have to worry as much about being oppressingly self-centered, and then we talk about healthy strategies and alternative ways to approach/view things that don't reinforce hosed up ways of thinking
he's offered to rec meds but unless it's critically necessary I'm not comfortable chugging drugs

So basically worthless to anyone that doesn't have a debilitating mental illness and worthless to anyone with a sociable bartender within walking distance

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Pththya-lyi posted:

i have accomplished precious little in my lifetime and my therapist is helping me become a functioning human being

So a therapist is also a delayed fix for dumb parents?

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

Anne Whateley posted:

I obviously have no idea what the field is like in Sydney at all. When I was looking in New York a few months ago, I found plenty who had sliding scales down to $20-30/hour with openings.

OK so we're talking about entirely different groups then, thanks
:aaaaa:

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Fruity Gordo posted:

also holy poo poo i don't care about how much rancid poo poo you can talk about your friends. even if they were the most boring privileged weenie shits on earth you're still being a bigger weenie talking harmful poo poo. i must have written like at least 500 words about how you're talking harmful weenie poo poo, just shut the gently caress up, christ almighty

this is the same person who got really mad at me a few months ago for mistaking a woman in a medieval picture for a young man. Actually angry. No idea what her deal is.


Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

AriadneThread posted:

I've only had the one therapist so far, so i dunno what all of them do but mine just has it as a big ole space to talk about anything, like venting to a friend but you don't have to worry as much about being oppressingly self-centered, and then we talk about healthy strategies and alternative ways to approach/view things that don't reinforce hosed up ways of thinking
he's offered to rec meds but unless it's critically necessary I'm not comfortable chugging drugs

sounds like a deece psychotherapist who was chill and didnt want to be a superego for you. cool dude, cool shrink, unless he fux it up

Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jan 17, 2014

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

a travelling HEGEL posted:

this is the same person who got really mad at me a few months ago for mistaking a woman in a medieval picture for a young man. Actually angry. No idea what her deal is.

Lol that rules

M42
Nov 12, 2012



OUCHLESS LABIAL MIRROR

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Fruity Gordo posted:

sounds like a deece psychotherapist who was chill and didnt want to be a superego for you. cool

he is super cool


Spanish Manlove posted:

So basically worthless to anyone that doesn't have a debilitating mental illness and worthless to anyone with a sociable bartender within walking distance

i live in a dry county, gotta drive at least half an hour on a good day to get somewhere that sells booze

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

a travelling HEGEL posted:

this is the same person who got really mad at me a few months ago for mistaking a woman in a medieval picture for a young man. Actually angry. No idea what her deal is.
Me??

my posts in the medieval thread :iiam:

Anne Whateley fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 17, 2014

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

a travelling HEGEL posted:

this is the same person who got really mad at me a few months ago for mistaking a woman in a medieval picture for a young man. Actually angry. No idea what her deal is.

lmao

you know what ive been meaning to tell you is that your posts in the art deco/nouveau thread were bloody good and i would love to have art chats with you when i am less hammered bc you have a shitload of greatthinks about art history. did you study fart history at uni or is it a non-career passion or both or neither?

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

Spanish Manlove posted:

So a therapist is also a delayed fix for dumb parents?

that and being a :spergin:

(I got diagnosed with PDD-NOS as a child, behavioral therapy helped a lot but I have trouble doing things on my own initiative.)

amarantinesky
Aug 29, 2013

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amarantinesky fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Apr 4, 2014

James Hardon
May 31, 2006
shocking to see that most of you ladies are mentally ill

GrrrlSweatshirt
Jun 2, 2012

M42 posted:

OUCHLESS LABIAL MIRROR

I'm sorry but how does someone injure themselves looking at their vagina in a mirror

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


GrrrlSweatshirt posted:

I'm sorry but how does someone injure themselves looking at their vagina in a mirror

the true reflection cuts deep

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Fruity Gordo posted:

lmao

you know what ive been meaning to tell you is that your posts in the art deco/nouveau thread were bloody good and i would love to have art chats with you when i am less hammered bc you have a shitload of greatthinks about art history. did you study fart history at uni or is it a non-career passion or both or neither?
i have a bunch of degrees, the art stuff is from when i thought i would study nazism so i studied a lot of 19th/20th century intellectual history, incl. art.

nazis blow though so i switched to the early modern.

why not chat when you are hammered???


HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

feminism thread, i think


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Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

a travelling HEGEL posted:

feminism thread, i think
not seeing it

Sorry it's just weirding me out because I have no memory of this exchange at all.

e: oh it's because it was almost a year ago and I wasn't mad at all, link. Sorry if "you read the text, right?" was too harsh. I am sorry your eyes were hurting.

Anne Whateley fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jan 17, 2014

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