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Quest For Glory II posted:The number of games they produce per year would probably go DOWN if they got out of the hardware business, because there'd be an imperative to have larger success for each game. They do have things like Retro and a few others handling stuff for them so its not out of the question. I think their best bet if they plan to sell on competitor consoles is to leverage existing value into insanely good royalty fees and get a custom store app on PS4/Bone and basically use that while they try to rebuild themselves into a bigger content publisher. That said none of that will happen as long as the 3DS is successful so expect IOS, PC, and Android and only going to Playstation/Microsoft if the 3DS successor bites it. Edit: I'd be super hesitant to say they'd work with Sony in any capicity without a huuuuuge sum of money as long as the 3DS is successful and Sony is pushing a handheld.
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Quest For Glory II posted:The number of games they produce per year would probably go DOWN if they got out of the hardware business, because there'd be an imperative to have larger success for each game. I expect it means bad things for anything not named New Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing or Pokemon. I hoped for a new Fire Emblem but odds are probably nil for that now.  I'm assuming even SMTxFE is probably toast.
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Barudak posted:That said none of that will happen as long as the 3DS is successful so expect IOS, PC, and Android and only going to Playstation/Microsoft if the 3DS successor bites it. This doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't a mobile version of Nintendo's games be in direct competition with Nintendo's handheld? Obviously it's a different story when the mobile apps are smaller things like Pokemon Amie or something, but for actual games? EDIT: Also, holy poo poo, that stock change is dramatic. Investors really did not like that financial statement. 
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Jan 17, 2014 21:59
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King of Solomon posted:This doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't a mobile version of Nintendo's games be in direct competition with Nintendo's handheld? Obviously it's a different story when the mobile apps are smaller things like Pokemon Amie or something, but for actual games? I think that is what they'll do, not what I think is smart if that makes sense. I also would wager the phone games wouldn't be anything like the 3DS titles.
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Jan 17, 2014 22:00
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To me it reads like the next DS will have a slot for a sim card or that they're looking into making a Nintendophone or straight up tablet/controller combo that isn't a home console. Would Nintendo get old nationalistic investors on board easily for something like that? Sony phones suck and everything else relevant is made by Samsung/Asus/Huawei/Apple... Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 17, 2014 |
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Jan 17, 2014 22:01
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Question, does the Nikkei open on saturdays? Cause right now nintendo is taking a beating and I dont know if its futures or after hours trading or what. It's priced in dollars, so you're probably looking at a Nasdaq stock or something. But still, yeesh, down 15%.
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King of Solomon posted:This doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't a mobile version of Nintendo's games be in direct competition with Nintendo's handheld? Obviously it's a different story when the mobile apps are smaller things like Pokemon Amie or something, but for actual games? Yeah, isn't Nintendo on your phone going to destroy the 3DS, their success story?
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Jan 17, 2014 22:04
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If I were Nintendo and made the decision to kill the WiiU (which I'm not saying they'll do) I'd probably go to Sony/MS and basically try and get an exclusivity deal where I can get programming access into their consoles for the next system and sell games through a custom, high royalty store in their pages. It lets you leverage the successful business, stifle competition, and earn money as a console developer while you rebuild from this failure without completely exiting hardware. The fact that Microsoft would assuredly take them on such an offer means Sony would likely have to counterbid so Nintendo would have safety from getting bought up outright and help kill the Vita*. *Even more, but like, forever this time.
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Jan 17, 2014 22:07
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There's no way either competitor would let a custom store into their walled gardens without demanding an additional 30% cut of all sales and Nintendo would never accept that.
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Jan 17, 2014 22:08
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Quest For Glory II posted:There's no way either competitor would let a custom store into their walled gardens without demanding a 30% cut of all sales and Nintendo would never do that. Given the way Nintendo games sell and the threat of going exclusive on a competitor I think they could pull some serious, EA-caliber poo poo.
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Barudak posted:Given the way Nintendo games sell and the threat of going exclusive on a competitor I think they could pull some serious, EA-caliber poo poo. Activision and Rockstar get sweetheart deals and even they don't get deals that sweetheart. Nintendo could argue for some kind of a sweetheart deal if they theoretically decided to go third party but not remotely that good.
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Barudak posted:
Think bigger man. Super Mario Galaxy 3: ONLY on SteamBox.
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ImpAtom posted:Activision and Rockstar get sweetheart deals and even they don't get deals that sweetheart. To be honest, I don't think they could get that sweetheart a deal. They should try though. Besides, their ability if they go 3DS only to just walk away from the deal gives a lot of leverage Activision or Rockstar don't have and their game franchises have moved insane units over the last 30 years not just the last 10.
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Either way, Nintendo ditching the hardware business would be excellent news in my opinion. They can make good games, but they're utterly incapable of making good hardware and it's about time they gave up and focused on what they're actually good at.
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Given the way Nintendo's been operating recently, even if they did go third party, I'd say the chance of them working with Microsoft or Valve specifically is still pretty much zero. Neither of them have any real presence in Japan, which is clearly all Nintendo cares about.
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King of Solomon posted:Given the way Nintendo's been operating recently, even if they did go third party, I'd say the chance of them working with Microsoft or Valve specifically is still pretty much zero. Neither of them have any real presence in Japan, which is clearly all Nintendo cares about. I don't think shareholders would accept that at this point to be totally honest. When they were raking in dough hand over fist nobody questioned them and Japan primary was fine. Now that they're hemorrhaging money and their share price is getting crushed they can't stick with that strategy.
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Yeah, Nintendo really can't go anyone but Sony, not as long as the X-Box One might as well not exist in Japan and PC gaming is what it is. Their Japanese audience is too important to them to give up.Barudak posted:I don't think shareholders would accept that at this point to be totally honest. Yeah, I'm sure Japanese shareholders are going to be completely okay with Nintendo giving up the Japanese market, especially when Nintendo games (at least on the 3DS) do sell huge numbers there.
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King of Solomon posted:Given the way Nintendo's been operating recently, even if they did go third party, I'd say the chance of them working with Microsoft or Valve specifically is still pretty much zero. Neither of them have any real presence in Japan, which is clearly all Nintendo cares about. Shareholders like money though, so it's a wash
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Goddamn a 17% dive in one day. I'm no economist, but I'm pretty sure that means you done hosed up. Whatever is in the pipeline for the WiiU now is likely all its going to get- and not even all of it either. I hope you didn't buy a WiiU for Bayonetta. 
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THE loving MOON posted:Whatever is in the pipeline for the WiiU now is likely all its going to get- and not even all of it either. I hope you didn't buy a WiiU for Bayonetta. They are not going to cancel a game that is largely finished and that they'd advertised repeatedly. SMTxFE? Yeah, that's probably done. Bayonetta 2 and X are both probably still coming out. (And even then I'd say X is the iffier of those two.)
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, I'm sure Japanese shareholders are going to be completely okay with Nintendo giving up the Japanese market, especially when Nintendo games (at least on the 3DS) do sell huge numbers there. I don't mean giving up on the Japanese market, just that investors won't let them pursue a Japanese only or even Japanese primary path. Part of that would likely entail reaching out to millions of additional customers even if that product moves nothing in Japan.
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Barudak posted:I don't mean giving up on the Japanese market, just that investors won't let them pursue a Japanese only or even Japanese primary path. Part of that would likely entail reaching out to millions of additional customers even if that product moves nothing in Japan. If you went to Microsoft you would be giving up the Japanese market. That isn't going to happen because no company is going to just shrug and give up selling in their home market, especially when the home market contributes to their sales in ways besides just games sold. (Things like Pokemon merch which does better in Japan than it does in the US these days.)
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ImpAtom posted:If you went to Microsoft you would be giving up the Japanese market. That isn't going to happen because no company is going to just shrug and give up selling in their home market. I was implying they'd go to both, and if that didn't come across my fault. If they can only pick one its Sony every day. But theres no reason they wouldn't go to both because if there were chance to do so investors would want it.
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ImpAtom posted:If you went to Microsoft you would be giving up the Japanese market. That isn't going to happen because no company is going to just shrug and give up selling in their home market. Which, yes, Nintendo. But still.
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After all the arguments in Games over the topic of Nintendo targeting other platforms, to see it coming from Iwata is surreal. I have to wonder if it's really what it sounds like.
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Toady posted:After all the arguments in Games over the topic of Nintendo targeting other platforms, to see it coming from Iwata is surreal. I have to wonder if it's really what it sounds like. This is Nintendo, after all. Maybe they'll interpret smartphone to mean that they should start making horrible smart phones with friend codes instead of phone numbers and 3D screens that give kids headaches. WiiPhoneU, $349, two year contract with AT&T.
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On a positive note, Nintendo and even Wii U is doing okay in France, so the whole European market isn't screwed: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=753314 (c'est super!  )
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I'm finding it funny how people are talking about Nintendo being 3rd party now. Especially since everyone was saying it was impossible earlier in the thread and during the slow sales of the Wii U.
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zarron posted:I'm finding it funny how people are talking about Nintendo being 3rd party now. Especially since everyone was saying it was impossible earlier in the thread and during the slow sales of the Wii U. It still seems pretty unlikely that Nintendo will go third party, but Iwata specifically suggesting they have plans for mobile is giving people pause. Most likely this is just small stuff designed to avoid competing with the 3DS, but we don't know that.
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zarron posted:I'm finding it funny how people are talking about Nintendo being 3rd party now. Especially since everyone was saying it was impossible earlier in the thread and during the slow sales of the Wii U. I don't know how people can look at Sega and think "yes this is the way to go".
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Everyone knows what Nintendo are like, they will talk up this mobile stuff like it is some huge change in strategy and then release a companion app for Donkey Kong then scratch their heads when no one gives a gently caress.
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I took what Iwata said about mobile phones to mean that they understand they lost the market they grabbed with the Wii and are looking to see how they can better adapt to that kind of market. Hell, it might just mean they know they need to change how they do things and used smart phones as an example of something that they've been looking into.
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Kurtofan posted:I don't know how people can look at Sega and think "yes this is the way to go". Do you think they would have done better if they kept making consoles?
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zarron posted:I'm finding it funny how people are talking about Nintendo being 3rd party now. Especially since everyone was saying it was impossible earlier in the thread and during the slow sales of the Wii U. If they had only had the 3DS this year it would have been a profitable year for them. The most logical next step is to scale back from Wii U and focus on what is actually bringing in money.
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Quest For Glory II posted:I think where this is going is Nintendo focusing primarily on 3DS after their next fiscal year of Wii U software is wrapped up. I think Wii U support should be considered hooked up to an iron lung at this point. So no console Metroid game, huh?
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I'm amazed at the drop in share price in response to the slashed sales predictions and statements today... because who the hell didn't realise that that their previous forecasts were complete bollocks, and that the Wii U's yearly sales getting outpaced by a 5 week old PS4 and XB1 was a VERY bad sign? Investors shouldn't have needed Nintendo to straight up say "things are bad" to know it was so. Efficient market hypothesis lol.
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Shakugan posted:I'm amazed at the drop in share price in response to the slashed sales predictions and statements today... because who the hell didn't realise that that their previous forecasts were complete bollocks, and that the Wii U's yearly sales getting outpaced by a 5 week old PS4 and XB1 was a VERY bad sign? Investors shouldn't have needed Nintendo to straight up say "things are bad" to know it was so. Efficient market hypothesis lol. You're right that most people who are paying attention (as I'm sure Nintendo shareholders are) should have expected a downward revision, but I don't think anyone expected the revision to be so dramatic.
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CURATOR OF ANIME posted:So no console Metroid game, huh? Sakamoto pretty much murdered that franchise.
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Shakugan posted:I'm amazed at the drop in share price in response to the slashed sales predictions and statements today... because who the hell didn't realise that that their previous forecasts were complete bollocks, and that the Wii U's yearly sales getting outpaced by a 5 week old PS4 and XB1 was a VERY bad sign? Investors shouldn't have needed Nintendo to straight up say "things are bad" to know it was so. Efficient market hypothesis lol. People really give "investors" too much credit some times. I'm sitting on a ton of shares of Sirius Satellite Radio, I don't exactly read up on the news about it every day.
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The news coverage is brutal. Forbes has a "game over" headline and says this about the 3DS:quote:The once unassailable 3DS handheld is also in free fall. Instead of selling the 18 million the company expected, it will deliver a third less. Those results are down from last year and worse still for Nintendo, game sales on the 3DS will be down 15%. For a long time, the belief has been that the effect of smartphones on Nintendo sales has been limited. It’s no longer possible to make that case.
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