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CPColin posted:Among the three locations, the one in downtown SLO is far and away the relative worst. Go for the original in Pismo. I know you really meant to say McLintock's. You may never have a better steak.
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Imposing water use restrictions on residents is stupid when you realize that like 80% of california's water is used by industry and agriculture. That number is right out of my rear end, but it's not far off. I already haven't been watering the lawn or washing the car, and I have a high-efficiency washer. So the only way for me to make a 20% reduction in water use is to stop using the diswasher and take fewer/shorter showers. The guy down the street who has a pool can eliminate like 50% of his water usage by just draining it, and anyone with a green lawn can kill 20% by letting it die. It's quite annoying that people who are already water-conservers get punished more harshly.
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Ron Jeremy posted:I know you really meant to say McLintock's. You may never have a better steak. Okay, early lunch at Splash Cafe, walk it off on the beach, dinner at McLintock's.
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nm posted:Meth and crime happens. Most of the meth production was pushed out of the Inland Empire in the mid 2000s into Mexico and the Central Valley and the Inland Empire has many cities ranked among the safest in the state, such as Rancho Cucamonga, Eastvale and Murrietta. I know the I.E. is the butt of everyone's jokes, but it's still one of the fastest growing regions of the country and increasingly becoming another extension of Orange and LA counties as people are priced out of those markets. Home prices are rising, higher-end developments are going up, old farmland and industrial areas are being grazed in preparation of new developments and the stagnant employment numbers are slowly improving. The I.E. is the second-fastest growing area for tech jobs if you can believe it. The fact is the IE is a huge, huge place quickly filling up working class families who can no longer afford to live where they work. Families are moving in and quickly transforming many area. In 10 years time so much will change and the area has a lot of offer for a lot of people. I wouldn't recommend anyone visit though if their goal is to "see California".
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Leperflesh posted:Imposing water use restrictions on residents is stupid when you realize that like 80% of california's water is used by industry and agriculture. That number is right out of my rear end, but it's not far off. I think you don't understand how water works, if you think randomly draining a pool would reduce water usage. Not filling the pool when is gets low will save water. And you're wrong about green lawns, you can have green lawns that use less water than a house does per-sq ft. Plus, that's just not how the water works. For example, Sacramento has 2 water inlets, one is closed for repairs (the one on the Sacramento) and one is on the American river, which is drying up. It doesn't loving matter how much water is used in the central valley, it won't effect the shortage in Sacramento as long as their Sacramento River inlet is closed. California agriculture is some of the most water efficient in the world anyway, because the water is so drat expensive. If you want them to stop using water, stop buying fresh fruits and veggies. (CONGRESS CREATED DUSTBOWL)
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It would save water to drain the pool into a toilet tank.Trabisnikof posted:California agriculture is some of the most water efficient in the world anyway, because the water is so drat expensive. If you want them to stop using water, stop buying fresh fruits and veggies. (CONGRESS CREATED DUSTBOWL) It's not that efficient, mainly just open ditches (at least in the desert areas in the valley). It is also heavily subsidized. Farmers pay a small fraction of what it actually costs to deliver water to their fields. You can almost always see at least one broken/accidentally opened irrigation line geysering and flooding a huge area of empty field on the drive between SF and LA. withak fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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Trabisnikof posted:I think you don't understand how water works, if you think randomly draining a pool would reduce water usage. Not filling the pool when is gets low will save water. Expensive? The only reason they can grow half the crops they do is because water consumption costs are stuck at rates from decades ago. The reason farmers are pissy is because people are starting to realize that maybe we shouldn't grow fruit and rice in a goddamn desert.
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withak posted:It would save water to drain the pool into a toilet tank. Also you can use your wash water in your toilet too! 7 easy tricks the water utility doesn't want you to know about!
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withak posted:It would save water to drain the pool into a toilet tank. That too. They lose 15% of their water per year because they don't cover their drat irrigation ditches. I'm so sick to death of the idiot farmers in this state doing the work for the agribusiness companies that own them by falling for their bullshit hook line and sinker.
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I've saved a fortune using toilet water in my washing machine.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Expensive? Rice isn't grown in the desert? Its all grown in the Sacramento valley. Agricultural water prices are high in California compared to a lot of other states. There's so much agriculture because the climate and soil is amazing.
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Pook Good Mook posted:I'm so sick to death of the idiot farmers in this state doing the work for the agribusiness companies that own them by falling for their bullshit hook line and sinker. 'The farmers' are almost entirely a double handful of fantastically wealthy oligarchs who bought half the state back in the bad old days. They're not idiots, they are the agribusiness companies.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Expensive? You're just wrong. http://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/45016437.pdf posted:USD12 per hectare in Minnesota to USD213 per hectare in California, with a national average cost of USD104 per hectare (Gollehon and Quinby, 2006). Notice how agricultural water price is 2x the national average in California. Plus, California does in fact require that agribusiness pay for the full cost of the water. quote:For example, irrigation water prices in the federal Central Valley Project in California include cost recovery charges (financial policy goal) and an environmental restoration charge (environmental policy goal). Water prices in California’s State Water Project include charges for repaying all construction costs, with interest (financial policy goal), thus ensuring that decisions regarding water use and allocation reflect the full cost of developing and delivering the state’s limited water supply (economic policy goal). And yes, the canals aren't covered. That's because they were built 50+ years ago and its impossible to get funding for big infrastructure projects now. Also those same canals carry a large part of LA's drinking water. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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Leperflesh posted:Imposing water use restrictions on residents is stupid when you realize that like 80% of california's water is used by industry and agriculture. That number is right out of my rear end, but it's not far off. According to the Cal Water Resources board (circa 2005) FRESH water usage looks like this:  So, you weren't too far off. Additionally, here's a good look of this year's snow pack compared to last year: 
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Trabisnikof posted:You're just wrong. That's disingenuous considering how much rainfall a lot of the valley (especially down south) actually gets. This is the rainfall totals in Minnesota http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Minnesota#Precipitation And this is San Joaquin California: http://www.bestplaces.net/climate/county/california/san_joaquin Bout half, not even including that fact that Minnesota is indeed the land of 10,000 lakes and needs to make sure roughly a sixth of the people that California has gets clean drinking water. And keep in mind that San Joaquin is up by Fresno, it isn't even near the worst offenders down by Bakersfield. California's water is undervalued.
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Therre we go, now we've got the old D&D vibe going.  Trabisnikof posted:I think you don't understand how water works, if you think randomly draining a pool would reduce water usage. Not filling the pool when is gets low will save water. Draining the pool meaning, let it sit dry, rather than keeping it full. Pools evaporate constantly (especially when it's sunny and dry all the time, as it's been lately) and so you have to constantly add water to keep them full. Obviously it'd be good to actually use your pool water for something rather than just drain it, but since it's chlorinated your options are somewhat limited. quote:And you're wrong about green lawns, you can have green lawns that use less water than a house does per-sq ft. A house that has no lawn uses less water than an identically-sized house that has a lawn. My lawn is dead. The neighbor whose house is the same size as mine, and is keeping his lawn bright green, is using more water than I am. HE has an option (let the lawn die) that will let him meet a mandated 20% reduction. I do not have that option, and the only reason I don't have it, is because I was already being more responsible with water due to drought conditions than he is. Is that clear enough? quote:Plus, that's just not how the water works. For example, Sacramento has 2 water inlets, one is closed for repairs (the one on the Sacramento) and one is on the American river, which is drying up. It doesn't loving matter how much water is used in the central valley, it won't effect the shortage in Sacramento as long as their Sacramento River inlet is closed. The governor has declared a statewide water reduction for all residents, or at least that's what I've gathered from the article. So residents using water from every different source are equally affected. But, per the chart posted by Illuminado, this can only have a minor impact on overall freshwater reserves, compared to the much larger actual impact that we'd get from a (say) 5% reduction in water use by the agricultural sector. Yes, obviously a lot of agricultural water comes from different sources than drinking water, but the overall drought affects both sources, and if we weren't using as much river water for ag, we could draw more of it for treatment and residential use. It's a complex interconnected system and I just find it annoying that residential users seem to get hit harder, and I suspect the reason is because agricultural and industrial lobbyists are having more influence than regular voters.
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Yeah the statewide restriction is voluntary. Sacramento has a mandatory one, but already has restrictions on watering etc. What you're not getting is, while sure its not the most fair solution possible, its the easiest to regulate. Sacramento's issue is more about the infrastructure issues more than the classic urban/agricultural fight because the farms do lose then...all the dead nut trees in the valley are proof of that.
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I can't wait to read more "DRAIN LAKE TAHOE NOW, it's OUR WATER!"  letters to the Sacto Bee tomorrow. Probably penned by some corporate ag lackeys in Bakersfield under the name of someone that sounds like a local grandma. I also wish I could xeriscape the gently caress out of my lovely, tiny patch of grass that is my front "Lawn" and plant grasses and agave or something. It's against the local CC&R's but I am not sure how strictly they are enforced being that those idiotic basketball hoops (also against CC&R's) are set up every 10 feet in the middle of the streets (since apparently going a block to the school is too much work for these mouthbreathing twits). Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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Keyser S0ze posted:those idiotic basketball hoops (also against CC&R's) are set up every 10 feet in the middle of the streets  There will be silence! Oh yes... there will be silence...
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Good news! Unlike you buttholes in LA, most of the bay area (under SF water) isn't in drought mode yet. They're still telling people to conserve water though.
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Some of my shittier acquaintances are already saying "LOL THE DELTA SMELT AMIRITE  "edit: after reading Oligarch Valley, does anyone have any sources on the "Latino Water Coalition" astroturf group, which apparently is on ice according to the book? Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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I think those people and their feelings about the delta smelt are the perfect example of shortsightedness and complete lack of environmental understanding. gently caress THE SMELT is instant shorthand for "I have nothing of value to contribute to this conversation". In short, delta smelt 4 lyfe.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Some of my shittier acquaintances are already saying "LOL THE DELTA SMELT AMIRITE They just had a "grass roots" rally in Sacto on Thursday. http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/politics&id=9395443 Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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That reminds me, I need to replace the water in my pool.
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What are some good ways to become more informed about California's water situation?
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Hey, LA folks? I'm quoting this thread from E/N because it's about someone getting bored in LA. Maybe you could offer your suggestions to the OP.Captain Gordon posted:Recently I got an opportunity to work for a videogame company in Los Angeles and I jumped on it without a second thought. I had absolutely no problem leaving the shithole I have been living in for the past 13 years - Dublin, Ireland.
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Leperflesh posted:Imposing water use restrictions on residents is stupid when you realize that like 80% of california's water is used by industry and agriculture. That number is right out of my rear end, but it's not far off. Depending on your dishwasher, it's not necessarily more water efficient to wash by hand. Unless you mean to just stop washing dishes altogether.
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Grand Prize Winner: The way I met my true friends when I first moved to LA was through classes. Not necessarily school (though that works I guess), they could be in anything. I took improv classes because it was something I enjoyed in college but this city is so big and diverse there's classes for everything. You get a small group that already shares a common interest and something to talk about and it gets you out of the routine. The other thing I'd recommend is taking long hikes in the hills. There are dozens of good trails and parks all over the city and it really helps to open your mind up and see what makes California so special. Moving 6,000 miles to sit indoors might as well be a waste of money. You now live in one of them most amazing beautiful places on the planet, try to get outside to enjoy it and embrace it. As for an idea to see different parts of city and explore. Find an app or go online to find food trucks with styles of food you think you'd like and then drive or follow them around the city. The trucks will only go places at night where a lot of people will be out so you'll find out where people like to be and can make it a fun dinner date at the same time.
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That e/n post is not about LA. Nothing about LA is going to solve it. She does not want to be there. Sometimes its called "trailing spouse syndrome" and generally speaking it sucks. That post looks like the poster child. LA is an amazing place on the planet in both positive and negative senses, but it does not matter since everything will be conditioned by that she does not want to be there and likely does not feel included in the decision to go there. She was left with "go to LA, which sucks for me", or "lose my marriage, which sucks for me". The identity crisis involved in culture shock is worse for her because she has no meaningful context, like work, to lessen it. The last time I went though this, exercise helped a great deal. My partner trained for a large event, and this helped her, but that's not for everyone.
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Papercut posted:Depending on your dishwasher, it's not necessarily more water efficient to wash by hand. Unless you mean to just stop washing dishes altogether. My dishwasher is a 30+ year old rollaway that I attach to my sink faucet when I run it, since my kitchen is old and hasn't got a built-in. It's concievable that it is still more water-efficient than washing by hand, I have no way to measure that, but I think it's unlikely.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Hey, LA folks? I'm quoting this thread from E/N because it's about someone getting bored in LA. Maybe you could offer your suggestions to the OP. I think she's more depressed than anything. That said, LA has about 12 billion things to do from art museums, to finding the perfect bowl to pho, to finding the best taco, to stage, to wandering through neighborhoods, to a gigantic arboretum, to Disneyland, to skiing in big bear (when it finally loving snows) to getting drunk in a different bar every day for a decade. She has a car, right? You need a car. I hate to say it but meetup is not unpopular here.
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She's only been here for 2 weeks. Culture shock takes longer than that to get through. I moved from the US to the UK as a 14 year old in 1988 and it took me about a year to start feeling comfortable. Of course, puberty was also going on and teenage angst, etc., but my point is, just because both countries speak English doesn't mean the cultures are all that similar. The fact that the LA area is a car-oriented metropolis can't help. It's likely wherever these guys live that there's not much within walking distance for them to do socially, and that's a big change from the town-center-oriented smaller more compact cities that are common throughout europe. Ultimatley though it's an E/N issue, not a tourism & travel issue.
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I think the Regional Discussion section for Los Angeles thread would probably be better than this one. They probably have a lot more ideas for what to do. I was confused about why that question was posted here until I realized that we're still in T&T. I thought this thread was moved to T&T from D&D because of a christmas swap thing, but no one's bothered to move us back. I love food chat (even though I just lurk) so I'm not complaining. Anyways, that thread is here. EDIT: I just took a look at that thread and someone already suggested that. celeron 300a fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jan 19, 2014 |
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http://sfappeal.com/2014/01/bart-police-officer-is-shot-and-killed/ So there has been another BART PD shooting. This time it was one cop shooting another, presumably on accident, while searching someone's apartment. It is unclear why BART PD was searching an apartment.
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withak posted:http://sfappeal.com/2014/01/bart-police-officer-is-shot-and-killed/ Is it sad the first thing I thought was "great, they killed another black kid" when I read that? Maybe this will at least prompt them to train them to holster their gun and not be so trigger happy. Hahaha who am I kidding, it will never happen. I'm also a little confused on the jurisdiction of BART police, do they actually have the power to search homes? I was always under the impression it was limited to BART property. Xaris fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Jan 22, 2014 |
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Xaris posted:Is it sad the first thing I thought was "great, they killed another black kid" when I read that? Maybe this will at least prompt them to train them to holster their gun and not be so trigger happy. Hahaha who am I kidding, it will never happen. http://www.bart.gov/about/police/howto/faq First two paragraphs: quote:Do BART Police Officers have the same police authority as city Police Officers and Deputy Sheriffs?
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