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Were ancient Greek maps typically north-up? I know I've seen reproductions of Greek maps that were north-up, but I don't know if they're an accurate reflection of the originals.
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Lycus posted:We're ancient Greek maps typically north-up? I know I've seen reproductions of Greek maps that were north-up, but I don't know if they're an accurate reflection of the originals. Not many maps survive from before the invention of the compass, from what I'm able to find the Tabula Rogeriana is an example of one which is South on top but that's not a guarantee of a trend (it's also not a Greek map).
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Jan 18, 2014 01:24
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 People go to the city to get an education and proceeds to stay there. Women get higher education at a much higher rate - thus leaving economically depressed areas to men with no education. Basically a map of economic growth and sad men.
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Jan 18, 2014 02:03
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Anosmoman posted:
Do the Scandinavian countries have a ton of alcohol related excess deaths in men like Russia does?
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Jan 18, 2014 02:07
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Dusseldorf posted:Do the Scandinavian countries have a ton of alcohol related excess deaths in men like Russia does? Well yes, but not anywhere near the absurd numbers you've got in Russia.
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Jan 18, 2014 02:14
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After drinking your sorrows away you can have a hot meal instead of a turnip. It helps.
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Jan 18, 2014 03:02
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Ptolomy established the North-up orientation . . . though I'm not sure why he did it that way. Presumably because of the North Star, but I don't honestly know. East-oriented maps became a big thing because that is where Jerusalem is from a European perspective and they wanted the Heavenly Kingdom on the top of the map (d'uh). European rediscovery of Greek thought via the Crusades lead to a switch back to a North-Up oriented map. Interestingly, much of Spain still seems to favor the East-up form (at least the maps I saw in Andalusia -- it made it really hard to orient myself, I had to physically move myself a couple of times to figure out which way I was facing in relation to the map). Not sure about the rest of the world. I know some early Chinese maps had a south-up orientation but I'm not sure if that is representative of their broader historical cartography.
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Jan 18, 2014 03:27
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Dusseldorf posted:Do the Scandinavian countries have a ton of alcohol related excess deaths in men like Russia does? Not much out of the norm. Rural, sparsely populated areas just take up more space on maps and in this context that's where the dudes are while women sit around in smaller, densely populated cities.
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Jan 18, 2014 03:50
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computer parts posted:Not many maps survive from before the invention of the compass, from what I'm able to find the Tabula Rogeriana is an example of one which is South on top but that's not a guarantee of a trend (it's also not a Greek map). The one example of Roman maps that i've seen was from late antiquity and I can't remember if it was original or a medieval reproduction or drawn from descriptions but it was north up. By the middle ages jerusalem was on top in a couple famous maps apparently too. I wouldn't be surprised if the way a map was oriented wasn't really important for the purposes of ancient Mediterranean travelers who would have been more interested in the distances between points along safe roads and the general shape of the coast lines their shipping followed. Real hurthling! fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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Jan 18, 2014 04:18
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Shbobdb posted:Not sure about the rest of the world. I know some early Chinese maps had a south-up orientation but I'm not sure if that is representative of their broader historical cartography. General street maps here in Korea (in subway stations or whatever) have no fixed orientation, they pick one randomly and usually don't label which direction is north. Also the streets are abstracted, so good luck! Real hurthling! posted:The one example of Roman maps that i've seen was from late antiquity and I can't remember if it was original or a medieval reproduction or drawn from descriptions but it was north up. By the middle ages jerusalem was on top in a couple famous maps apparently too. I wouldn't be surprised if the way a map was oriented wasn't really important for the purposes of ancient Mediterranean travelers who would have been more interested in the distances between points along safe roads and the general shape of the coast lines their shipping followed. The Tabula Peutingeriana is north up, I know. Ptolemy's world map is also north up.
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Jan 18, 2014 04:25
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Grand Fromage posted:General street maps here in Korea (in subway stations or whatever) have no fixed orientation, they pick one randomly and usually don't label which direction is north. Also the streets are abstracted, so good luck! A friend of mine who lived for a year and change in Japan also once explained to us that, rather than naming the streets, they would name the blocks and refer to them directly. Which seems like a mind boggling more complicated way of doing things.
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Jan 18, 2014 06:52
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Korea used the Japanese system of building numbering, which is to number based on lots and what order the buildings were built in. As a result of that and no street names, there aren't really any addresses here so finding anything is an exercise in mass frustration. Literally the only people who could use the system were the mail carriers and delivery drivers. This year they've just switched over to using street names and numbers so theoretically Korea will now have addresses.
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Jan 18, 2014 07:06
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PittTheElder posted:A friend of mine who lived for a year and change in Japan also once explained to us that, rather than naming the streets, they would name the blocks and refer to them directly. Which seems like a mind boggling more complicated way of doing things. Major streets are named, but addresses are given by country, prefecture, city/ward, city, city district, block, then building number, and any further information like the building name or apartment number. So for example 日本東京都港区六本木６丁目１０番１号 六本木ヒルズ is: Japan (country), Tokyo-to (prefecture), Minato-ku (ward), Roppongi (city), 6 chōme (city district), 10 ban (block), 1 gō (building number), Roppongi Hills (building name). The last numbers don't usually have the Chinese characters attached to them and usually just appear as 6-10-1. It may seem complicated if you're not used to it, but it's not at all bad once you understand it. It also lets you glance at an address and know the basic area of the city that it's in even if you don't know the specific location, whereas if you have a western street address, if you don't know where that street is then it could be anywhere in the city.
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Jan 18, 2014 07:14
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I do like having the city district/neighborhood named. I'm hoping that with the addition of street names and numbers the address system here will be really good from now on. A Korean address before now would be like ROK Ulsan-gwangyeoksi Nam-gu Sinjeongdong 445-28. Country, province, city (in this case the city is also a province so there's no city), district, neighborhood. Then there's that 445-28. 28 is the building number, but I have no idea what the 445 was and neither does literally anyone I've ever asked, Korean or otherwise. I think the new ones will now be, say, Sinjeongdong Samsanro beongil 7, 28. Samsanro is the main street, beongil means a side street, so the street name is literally like "seventh side street off Samsanro". None of this was ever listed on a map or anything. A typical map here will be a few lines representing streets (not to scale in size, distance from one another, or going in the correct directions) with some landmarks labeled (a bank or something) then a dot for the place. Which isn't to scale so who knows how far it is. If you're already very familiar with the neighborhood you might be able to figure it out, if it's in an unfamiliar place good luck. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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Jan 18, 2014 07:18
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Anosmoman posted:People go to the city to get an education and proceeds to stay there. Women get higher education at a much higher rate - thus leaving economically depressed areas to men with no education. Basically a map of economic growth and sad men. One think you need to look at with gender demographics is age. Any area with an older population will skew towards being more female, since women live longer than men. Also, some of the northern areas with low populations might be skewed by a few men temporarily moving there to take physical labor intensive jobs.
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Jan 18, 2014 14:02
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Konstantin posted:One think you need to look at with gender demographics is age. Any area with an older population will skew towards being more female, since women live longer than men. Also, some of the northern areas with low populations might be skewed by a few men temporarily moving there to take physical labor intensive jobs. Well, the first point you raise would make the gender imbalance in depopulated rural areas all the more striking. I have a degree but am still an economically depressed sad man. 
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Jan 18, 2014 14:23
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PittTheElder posted:That's true, and when we all switch to left handed systems, we can put South on top. Ptolemy's map put north up and I've heard was what set North-Up as a standard for large scale projections. Maps covering small regions can really have anything up since assuming a flat earth works just fine over short distance. 
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Jan 18, 2014 19:14
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Keep your silly flat earth myths, Aristotle proved the Earth's spherical 330 BC.
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Jan 18, 2014 21:04
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Fair warning, this post has images with plenty of  text. It's all rather informative, but you might not want your boss peering over your shoulder while you read this. Since it's Saturday I assume most of you are at home, though.Top porn searches from around the world. From here, which is about as as you can expect a site with "porn" in the name to be. 1Most countries have pretty predictable and standard search results, but at least Ukraine goes a bit more hard-core.  2The Kazakhs love girl-on-girl and BDSM.  3The Brazilians are a bit narcissistic, but they're nothing compared to the...  4...The Japanese, who keep it close to home.  5Just because there's a civil war on, doesn't mean you can't get your fill of incest.  6 Quite a few Nigerians had an oddly specific search term. 7I don't fault Ghanaians for preferring specifically black pornstars, but what's this obsession with girl-on-girl? Thanks to forum user Funkz for showing me this.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:14
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I may be revealing my lack of knowledge of heterosexual sex, but what is "Indian sex"? And why is it the most searched for porn in Nigeria? Also coming up in Iraqi searches: "Classic forced sex"... As opposed to new age forced sex? And interesting that simply "Japanese" was number 1 in China. What does that tell us about the Sino-Japanese rivalry? Number 3 in Lybia "American anal sluts".
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Jan 18, 2014 22:22
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Lisa Ann sure is popular
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Jan 18, 2014 22:24
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Is crazyoldmoms.com an actual website that they were searching for that just happens to be super popular in Ghana? I don't want to go check.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:25
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Let's see how it is up here in the Nordic region.    Fairly standard so far. Denmark seems to have a higher liking for the Japanese stuff than the rest of Scandinavia.  Woah, getting a bit kinky there, Finland. And "public invasion" sounds real creepy.  Those are some really specific search terms.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:25
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Torrannor posted:And interesting that simply "Japanese" was number 1 in China. What does that tell us about the Sino-Japanese rivalry? "The diaoyu are Chinese, *japanese pornstar* is everyone's" And it isn't letting me click on countries, what gives, this is interesting.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:27
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Torrannor posted:I may be revealing my lack of knowledge of heterosexual sex, but what is "Indian sex"? And why is it the most searched for porn in Nigeria? Bollywood movies are pretty popular in lots of parts of africa, which would spur interest in seeing indian women get hosed.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:28
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Koramei posted:"The diaoyu are Chinese, *japanese pornstar* is everyone's" A lot of them aren't available, for some reason Central America (i.e. everything between Mexico and Colombia) isn't even on any of the maps.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:32
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Ammat The Ankh posted:
A lot of these seem way too specific. 'blackonblackcrime com' is one of the most popular porn searches in Ghana? And are Syrians really hot for 'grandpa gently caress oldman'? I have my doubts as to the methodology that was used to get these results.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:37
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I'm guessing that the results for many countries aren't exactly statistically significant. I remember seeing a thread about that site in GBS once and if I recall correctly so are the results only based on their site so I doubt you have enough Ghanaians or whatever using it to get a good result. e; that's why many countries have extremely specific search terms etc. Kainser fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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Jan 18, 2014 22:39
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I'm not sure how to post the map but here is French Top 10  1.french 2.beurette 3 hentai 4 francaise 5 teen 6amateur 7anal 8casting 9french amateur 10mature Beurette is slang for Arab girl. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jan 18, 2014 |
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Jan 18, 2014 22:41
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I do not trust the validity of those tables. I mean, it seems they used stats from their own little list of (English language, possibly specifically North-American) porn sites. What if, say, only a dozen Nigerians visited those sites in the 6 month period they analysed, because Nigerians have their own porn sites in their own country? That would explain why there are some oddly specific search terms. It also means any fun stereotypes derived from those maps don't have to make sense. e: f;b
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Jan 18, 2014 22:41
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I would guess that the study has serious sample size problems for a number of the countries covered.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:43
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I also think grandpa gently caress oldman is really funny
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Jan 18, 2014 22:48
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My mistake, the 'blackonblackcrime' thing actually is a porn site. Hilariously, the second most popular search term in Ireland is 'drunk'. 'German femdom' is eighth.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:53
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I certainly hope there are methodology problems. I wouldn't want to live in a country where sounding is anywhere near the top ten things that gets people off.
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Jan 18, 2014 22:58
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Phlegmish posted:My mistake, the 'blackonblackcrime' thing actually is a porn site. You forgot to note Ireland's number one...
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Jan 18, 2014 23:09
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Torrannor posted:I may be revealing my lack of knowledge of heterosexual sex, but what is "Indian sex"? And why is it the most searched for porn in Nigeria? There might also be a significant enough ethnically Indian minority within the country that they've reached some sort of fetishized status. I'm not sure exactly why, but tons of Indian people wound up in South Africa during the old Imperial days, and I wouldn't be overly surprised to learn that happened in Nigeria as well. No idea if that's actually the case, just hypothesizing. Bollywood is probably a better guess.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:02
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Ghana's number seven is strange: mapouka is a mildly suggestive dance involving rear end-shaking, hardly pornographic unless you are extremely uptight. Other notables: Pakistan has "indian" in second place and "girls peeing in bed" as number five, Japanese material is popular throughout East and South-East Asia, "skinny" is number one in Israel and "pussy" in Iran, and Sasha Grey is popular in both Poland and Russia.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:11
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Flagrant Abuse posted:I certainly hope there are methodology problems. How about "sister" being number 1?
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Jan 19, 2014 00:45
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It seems very likely that for countries like Afghanistan and Japan the majority of the searches are from US servicemen. Most Afghan's don't have the internet and I'll bet that there's probably Japanese porn sites.
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Jan 19, 2014 00:53
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Fojar38 posted:It seems very likely that for countries like Afghanistan and Japan the majority of the searches are from US servicemen. Most Afghan's don't have the internet and I'll bet that there's probably Japanese porn sites. If that was the case, wouldn't those countries' results resemble America's as a whole more?
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