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Kavak: Aug 23, 2009

New update on East vs. West

quote:

Hey everyone,

We've got some news for you regarding East vs. West that is going to change the future of the game and introduce the ability for fans to get intimately involved in the development. Since the project was born from modders we thought it was only right that we tell the community here first about the plans for it.
Development schedule permitting, East vs. West will be in beta come March and you will be able to contribute with what you want to get access to it.
This means that if you feel bad about playing the beta and not spending a cent, we will offer the alternative of paying what you want for it, and all money raised this way will go directly to the developers. Development of East vs. West is still being handled by BL Logic, so there are no changes there.
The scope of EvW is being reduced a little bit, you may have heard that some specific features are on hold while BL Logic focuses on the more integral parts of the game, and we agree with the devs that this is in the best interest of the game. As the game continues to improve, we may still decide to release it as a commercial product. Until then, though, a release date for EvW is not currently on our schedule. However, you'll all still be able to play the game in its beta form and support the devs with either your feedback here in the forums, monetarily, or both.

East vs. West is still shaping up to be a great Cold War game and we are looking forward to showing it to you in the coming months!

Best Regards
All of us here at Paradox Interactive

Bold emphasis my own. Did he just let slip that the game may be cancelled?

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Kavak posted:

New update on East vs. West

Bold emphasis my own. Did he just let slip that the game may be cancelled?

Oh my god

The forum comments are anti-paradox, why?

Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jan 20, 2014

# ? Jan 20, 2014 16:40

Rumda: Nov 4, 2009; Moth Lesbian Comrade

Kavak posted:

New update on East vs. West

Bold emphasis my own. Did he just let slip that the game may be cancelled?

I think we all saw this coming.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 16:41

uPen: Jan 25, 2010; Zu Rodina!

The beta being free is the best news I've heard about EvW since it was announced. I might actually get to play it now!

# ? Jan 20, 2014 16:45

Cantorsdust: Aug 10, 2008; Infinitely many points, but zero length.

Rumda posted:

I think we all saw this coming.

Unfortunately, yeah. When you're making a Cold War game and all you can talk about is the war part, you know it was going to be a dud. Poor Paradox.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 16:46

RabidWeasel: Aug 4, 2007; Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

This is pretty much saying "this isn't good enough to make an actual game but we'll let the community play it and give us money if they want and maybe one day it won't be rear end"

I think it makes sense though, they get something out of their investment, the diehard fans get the game they've been following and Paradox doesn't release an official commercial product that makes them look bad. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to do something like this with MM but Ubik wouldn't go along with it.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 16:49

Darkrenown: Jul 18, 2012; please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

Kavak posted:

New update on East vs. West

Bold emphasis my own. Did he just let slip that the game may be cancelled?

No, just that there may be a "normal" release after it's been on pay what you want beta for a bit.

Darkrenown fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jan 20, 2014

# ? Jan 20, 2014 16:54

Kavak: Aug 23, 2009

Darkrenown posted:

No, just that there may be a "normal" release after it's been on pay what you want for a bit.

So basically what RabidWeasel said. Well, it's working, I'm actually going to download the Beta when it comes.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 16:57

Hefty Leftist: Jun 26, 2011; "You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

It kind of makes sense for Paradox to announce HoI 4, assuming one of the new announcements turns out to be it. They've probably had a chunk taken out of them from the disaster that was Magna Mundi and now the impending disaster that is East vs West, so it would make sense to release another game that's historically made them a shitzillion dollars.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:04

Ofaloaf: Feb 15, 2013

Alchenar posted:

Dinosaur Universalis

Paradox, this is suggested every time speculation begins and every time it turns out to not be the product. You know Dinosaur Universalis would be radically tubular, you know that merely creating a design document for such a game will spontaneously endow you all with wicked skateboarding abilities, so why aren't you getting in on this?

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:12

Nckdictator: Sep 8, 2006; Just..someone

Pretty disappointed in EvW, apparently its impossible to make a decent Cold War game not called DEFCON.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:12

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Armstrong is named after Neil Armstrong, famed Canadian hockey player. A HOI style game that takes place in 1967, you now are at the helm of your NHL franchise and bring them to glory :getin:

Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jan 20, 2014

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:17

Pornographic Memory: Dec 17, 2008

Cantorsdust posted:

Dunno if this was posted. Hint 3 about Project Nero:

Seriouspost I'm gonna guess it's a game about an America-centric war, likely the American Civil War. There are no provinces because we only have states (and smaller subdivisions like counties) :smug:

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:23

Gniwu: Dec 18, 2002

Kavak posted:

New update on East vs. West

Bold emphasis my own. Did he just let slip that the game may be cancelled?

Yeah, this is probably for the best.

I tend to give Paradox poo poo for their decisions all the time (One of the reasons why I am no longer able to post under this name on their forums, I guess!), but there were NO good options for the handling of East vs. West at this point, and they picked the least damaging one.

You did well in not allowing this mess to be released officially.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:38

e X: Feb 23, 2013; cool but crude

Outside of clearly failing to accurately represent the period it is set in and the somewhat bizarre, but understandable idea to engage your goony fanbase, are there any other problems with EvW?

I mean, yes, designing your own battleship is not exactly what I would consider to be the most important part in a game that supposedly simulates the Cold War era, but if you see the game not as a political simulator and more like HoI in the late 20th century, wouldn't it actually be a good game?

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:45

Ofaloaf: Feb 15, 2013

Nero seriouspost, what if it isn't a grand strategy game at all?

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:46

Riso: Oct 11, 2008; by merry exmarx

Action RPG.
You have to balance ruling the empire, keeping the people happy, and attending lyre* and poetry competitions.

*the action part

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:50

Claytor: Dec 5, 2011

e X posted:

Outside of clearly failing to accurately represent the period it is set in and the somewhat bizarre, but understandable idea to engage your goony fanbase, are there any other problems with EvW?

I mean, yes, designing your own battleship is not exactly what I would consider to be the most important part in a game that supposedly simulates the Cold War era, but if you see the game not as a political simulator and more like HoI in the late 20th century, wouldn't it actually be a good game?

If it's not representative of the Cold War, then based on what we've seen all that's left is a pay-to-play mod built on a fairly old, fairly notorious foundation. If you want to play a war game with the gameplay of Hearts of Iron 3, then you probably already own Hearts of Iron 3.

Claytor fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jan 20, 2014

# ? Jan 20, 2014 17:59

GrossMurpel: Apr 8, 2011

MinistryofLard posted:

How do I keep a country in my alliance in Darkest Hour? I'm trying to keep the CSA allied with my in my KR France game. At first I thought it was because they had cores on Mexico, so I banned the Mexicans from my alliance, but they still won't stay in, even after I start acceptalling them into my alliance. I've read somewhere that your allies will leave if they have poor relations with other members of the alliance, but they've got good relations (+160 and up) with everybody else in the alliance as well (except for me now because you lose 100 relations every time they leave, but they were leaving when we had +200 relations).

What else could it be? Is my belligerency too high (60-something)? Another ally has 90 something belligerency, is that the problem?

I've never found alliances that useful, unless you have to keep Spain off your back for some reason. All your allies ever do is steal provinces you wanted to conquer.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 18:00

Archaeology Hat: Aug 10, 2009

Riso posted:

Action RPG.
You have to balance ruling the empire, keeping the people happy, and attending lyre* and poetry competitions.

*the action part

I would unironically like to play a game that was along these lines.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 18:01

Lum_: Jun 5, 2006

It's an MMO. World of Universalis. You begin as a lowly Count in Crusader Kings and eventually with enough levels can lead your guild in raids on Srbja.

(i would play this)

# ? Jan 20, 2014 18:01

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

It's probably going to be something totally unrelated, like Magicka 2 (now with playable netcode!)

# ? Jan 20, 2014 18:24

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

e X posted:

Outside of clearly failing to accurately represent the period it is set in and the somewhat bizarre, but understandable idea to engage your goony fanbase, are there any other problems with EvW?

I mean, yes, designing your own battleship is not exactly what I would consider to be the most important part in a game that supposedly simulates the Cold War era, but if you see the game not as a political simulator and more like HoI in the late 20th century, wouldn't it actually be a good game?

HOI 2 in the late 20th century would probably be an okay game.

HOI 3 in the late 20th century would still carry all of the baggage of HOI 3 - too many provinces, combat system not very conducive to maneuver warfare, soulless research system, too timid war-waging AI and too many provinces

gradenko_2000 posted:

Louis Armstrong has been kidnapped by ~~ninjas~~ Srbjan nationalists. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue Louis Armstrong?

Paradox please do the needful and make Project Armstrong this. I don't really care what is what before now.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 18:28

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

gradenko_2000 posted:

Shadow President

Take all of my money.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 18:35

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gradenko_2000 posted:

Louis Armstrong has been kidnapped by ~~ninjas~~ Srbjan nationalists. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue Louis Armstrong?

Seriouspost: No provinces makes me think whole countries, which makes me think either Balance of Power (Online!) or Shadow President

Louis and Neil Armstrong team up to bring jazz hockey to glorious srbja.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 18:37

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Stop giving them ideas! I only have so much money and free time. :sigh:

# ? Jan 20, 2014 18:44

GrossMurpel: Apr 8, 2011

It's the next Supreme Ruler!

# ? Jan 20, 2014 19:08

Darkrenown: Jul 18, 2012; please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

The SR people are already making a new game, SR 1936. PI isn't involved as far as I know.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 19:14

fuck off Batman: Oct 14, 2013; Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!

No provinces (Armstrong) seems to me like it is a 4X Space grand strategy game. Ok, it's a bit of a stretch but a man can dream :allears:

The other (Nero) should be Victoria 3 - Victoria Harder. You know it's time for a new and improved Vicky.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 19:19

Pimpmust: Oct 1, 2008

Darkrenown posted:

The SR people are already making a new game, SR 1936. PI isn't involved as far as I know.

Same engine, same vast scope... still completely unplayable :downs:

# ? Jan 20, 2014 19:28

NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
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Drone posted:

It's probably going to be something totally unrelated, like Magicka 2 (now with playable netcode!)

They are both PDS games, not just PI.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 20:01

binge crotching: Apr 2, 2010

Drone posted:

It's probably going to be something totally unrelated, like Magicka 2 (now with playable netcode!)

I would be happy with this.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 20:02

Riso: Oct 11, 2008; by merry exmarx

Archaeology Hat posted:

I would unironically like to play a game that was along these lines.

you automatically win all competitions. :ssh:

# ? Jan 20, 2014 20:16

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Archaeology Hat posted:

I would unironically like to play a game that was along these lines.

Swap lyre contests with summoning hugeass bad dudes and killing a lot of poo poo.

Paradox Presents: Summoner 3: A Crusader Kings 2 game.

Also Paradox if you made a new Shadow President or some poo poo oh my god I would fly to Sweden and buy you alcohol one tier above the cheapest.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 20:29

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

Shadow President with modern-day graphics and AI and UI would be Game of the Year as far as I'm concerned.

# ? Jan 20, 2014 20:35

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# ? Jan 20, 2014 20:44

fermun: Nov 4, 2009

Nero is Hearts of Iron: The Card Game 2.

Armstrong is March of the Eagles: The Card Game.

No provinces needed!

# ? Jan 20, 2014 20:44

Cantorsdust: Aug 10, 2008; Infinitely many points, but zero length.

Pakled posted:

Shadow President with modern-day graphics and AI and UI would be Game of the Year as far as I'm concerned.

gently caress I would play this so hard. Hell, even an updated Shadow President that didn't have the late game quality of life bug would be good enough for me.

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Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

A crossover game.

Majesty: Crusader Kings.

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