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I'd agree. Diesel has its place, but that place isn't in cars that are supposed to be fun.
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dissss posted:I'd agree. Diesel has its place, but that place isn't in cars that are supposed to be fun. I'd disagree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10_TDI
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dissss posted:I'd agree. Diesel has its place, but that place isn't in cars that are supposed to be fun. While it may be true (I don't agree, personally) that a fun car shouldn't be diesel, that does not mean that a diesel can't be fun. It'd be a poo poo if all fun cars were diesels, but even worse if economy couldn't be had a in fun cars. With Ford trying seemingly making great waves in the US hot hatch market they may be trying to differentiate themselves and instead compete against the Golf GTD instead. They may also be trying to change peoples opinion of diesel to something that can be fun, something which the MKIV Golf GTTDI, BMW e46 330d, Mondeo TDCI etc did in europe, Skoda VRS did in europe. Although saying that these cars (with the exception of he Skoda) had petrol brothers to be compared to (usually relatively favourably), it does seem like a ballsy move to forgo petrol altogether. On the subject, my Chevrolet (Daewoo) Lacetti Wagon work hack has both reignited my interest in petrol engines, and made me wish this car didn't have one.   It's cheap, it's roomy, and seems bombproof. The interior design and plastics are hilariously bad, but the seats are super comfy. It even handles acceptably, although the tyres are poo poo... 4th gear 60 mph one wheel peels shouldn't be possible, even in the wet. Luckily it's now getting fitted with Nokian M+S tyres, and going to 195/65/15 profile from 195/55/15 will give a bit more ground clearance, and hopefully that'll solve it's bad behaviour on low traction surfaces. The only downside is the 1.6 110hp engine, which is dog slow below 4000rpm. It was kinda fun for the first wee while, but on my typical 200 mile wet cross country drive it gets pretty frustrating. Stick in a 90hp diesel and it would be an nice motoring appliance. It'll eek out 40 mpg (UK) on a good day, but i've seen 25 mpg out of a tank with some fast windy A roads and single track mixed in. Saying that, it's meant to be a car for old people going to the shops, so performance and economy aren't really a thing for the target market. stump fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jan 20, 2014 |
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piss boner posted:I'd disagree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10_TDI The Audi LMP1 cars are only diesel for two reasons: 1. Rampant rules loophole which makes diesels unbeatable 2. Marketing VAG's TDI expertise.
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dissss posted:I'd agree. Diesel has its place, but that place isn't in cars that are supposed to be fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJK3z4E6slc
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stump posted:While it may be true (I don't agree, personally) that a fun car shouldn't be diesel, that does not mean that a diesel can't be fun. It'd be a poo poo if all fun cars were diesels, but even worse if economy couldn't be had a in fun cars. Eh, I've often never driven a petrol car and thought 'drat I wish this had a diesel engine' whereas I have often thought the inverse while in diesel cars (note cars, for big 4wds and vans and such it definitely makes sense). Then again I think the Holden Viva/Daewoo Lacetti ranks as one of the worst vehicles of the past ten years so I guess we have different perspectives.
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Meh, the Lacetti is decent second hand for the money... we paid £1500 for an '05 with 30k on it. It doesn't hold a candle to a focus, but you can't get a focus in that condition for that money. If it was my money I'd have bought an early e46 320d, but for a company hack it does the job. The only real letdown for me is the engine. We had a '04 Renault Megane diesel estate before, which was much nicer in many ways, but that was horribly fragile, 50% of the electronics, most of the suspension and the air con unit were all hosed at 80,000 miles. The engine was good, but it didn't handle any better than the Lacetti in my opinion, and the ride quality was worse. The air con unit was an engine out job to replace so we scraped it and bought the Lasheddy. Mind bogglingly, some of my colleagues who are used to driving diesels, and don't understand a car won't blow up if you tickle the redline complain the Lacetti is slower than our 110hp 2.5 TD Ford Ranger because the power delivery is so high in the rev range, and they are afraid to properly wring its neck. It's hard to compare petrols and diesels equally , but I'd take a slightly slower diesel over a petrol any day because I prefer the power band for day to day driving.
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I've driven the B8 A4 wagon with both the 2.0 TDI and 2.7 TDI and neither was un-fun at any time. Those were both with the Speed 8 CVT, which is decidedly less fun than a ~~proper transmission~~
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They still make station wagons with the seat that faces out the back? That poo poo was nuts 
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JakeP posted:They still make station wagons with the seat that faces out the back? That poo poo was nuts The jump seats are an option on at least new E class wagons. You can get them on the Tesla Model S, too...
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The Audi LMP1 cars are only diesel for two reasons: 1. Rampant rules loophole which makes diesels unbeatable 2. Marketing VAG's TDI expertise. This statement discredits diesels as being fun...how?
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My dad had a blue S4 Avant, that thing was pretty fun. Of course he only leased so he never had cars that long. Right now he has a 2011 A4 Avant Prestige. I may be getting a used version of the same vehicle (not prestige though), if so I'll be sure to post pictures. edit: picking this up tomorrow! Has just under 35K miles on it. http://pictures.dealer.com/a/audiminneapolisaoa/1721/e06cbc124751a2561ec9c4e069a0b029x.jpg actionjackson fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jan 24, 2014 |
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Oh my god http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-s-model-4matic-wagon-test-review
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actionjackson posted:Oh my god If only I had the money... I'll just have to live with my 300hp V70R..
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actionjackson posted:Oh my god Somewhere near where I live somebody owns an E63 wagon from a couple of years ago. Mostly I've only caught it in glimpses once in a while. It's basically my unicorn.
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actionjackson posted:Oh my god I saw a beige 2013 E63 AMG 4-matic wagon pop up in the last 3 months. It had 6,000 miles and was selling for about $65k (USD) in Florida. That would have been a great purchase. 
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 Crosspost from my thread. This brings the things I've hauled since fall list to: subaru transmission subaru 6 cylinder motor three fullsize exhausts (header back) 21 bankers boxes of paperwork 15 gravel tries christmas tree misc wheels + tires around the yard
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Does anybody want an e30 touring? http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=312731
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GramCracker posted:I saw a beige 2013 E63 AMG 4-matic wagon pop up in the last 3 months. It had 6,000 miles and was selling for about $65k (USD) in Florida. That would have been a great purchase. Wow, that's an insane discount
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Audi RS4 Avant Nogaro selection introduced, celebrates the original Avant RS2 model  
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They really should not have posed it next to the original car. I dig the colour inserts in the seats/door-cards, although most people will probably think it's an homage to the STI.
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This has to be the first wagon I have not been physically repulsed by.. We'll never see it. 
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SuperDucky posted:Does anybody want an e30 touring? Were the tourings ever available with the 2.5?
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blk posted:Were the tourings ever available with the 2.5? I'm sure its not a difficult swap in the e30.
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blk posted:Were the tourings ever available with the 2.5? Yep. Could be had with as a 316i right up to the 325i.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:They really should not have posed it next to the original car. I dig the colour inserts in the seats/door-cards, although most people will probably think it's an homage to the STI. I agree, the original is just a much cleaner design. It looks purposeful next to all the frilly accents on the new one.
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Crosspost from post your car thread, here's my 2011 Audi A4 Avant, bought a couple weeks ago as a CPO with 35K miles. Also my greyhound Abby is in the back.
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Can I just pop in to say that I really want a 95 Roadmaster wagon to throw a turbo GenIII in?
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I've got a 95 with 65k on it. Make an offer. It shuts off for no apparent reason while you drive. So that sucks.
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Guess I should update with some not so terrible pics here as well 
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Took some pictures, with my 10 year old DSLR, of the daily driver while on a trip to Port Townsend.  
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Oxphocker posted:If only I had the money... I'll just have to live with my 300hp V70R..
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My new (to me) 2008 Mazdaspeed 3. A few mods and just a hair shy of 300whp. I love it
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splangtastic posted:My new (to me) 2008 Mazdaspeed 3. A few mods and just a hair shy of 300whp. I love it Not a Wagon. Nice ride tho.
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I bought another wagon, meaning wagon count is up to 3 (2.5 since the Subaru got rolled)! Its a 96 Saturn SW2, 5 speed, 217K and is white. Not at all worth taking a picture of.
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Let's swap an Ecotec into it. I've always wanted to noodle around on one of those and work on them for the experience, but I could never bring myself to buy and own one.
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DJ Commie posted:I bought another wagon, meaning wagon count is up to 3 (2.5 since the Subaru got rolled)! Its a 96 Saturn SW2, 5 speed, 217K and is white. Not at all worth taking a picture of. How much oil does it burn? That's the only thing that sucked about my Saturn SL2. Otherwise I liked it quite a bit.
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Larrymer posted:How much oil does it burn? That's the only thing that sucked about my Saturn SL2. Otherwise I liked it quite a bit. I don't know yet, I'm on the second tank of gas. I accidentally put in 5W-20 oil when I changed it earlier this month, so I expect it to vaporize it in short order. Seat Safety Switch posted:Let's swap an Ecotec into it. Its simultaneously really well and really badly engineered. Some things surprise me, but some just boggle my mind how they could be so stupid to do something a certain way. See: 18mm bolts/nuts.
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SPORK08 posted:I've got a 95 with 65k on it. Make an offer. Hang onto it, new job is pending and I may want to do exactly that in a few months 
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SyHopeful posted:Can I just pop in to say that I really want a 95 Roadmaster wagon to throw a turbo GenIII in? No buy my '94 with 230k miles. I'm gonna put it up for sale in a month, or two, now that I'm possibly getting a Hornet Wagon. Pictures to come, once it's here.
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