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Asbury
Mar 23, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!
Hair Elf

Caufman posted:

Yeah, you should see this word for word.

Brilliant, thanks man

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SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

I hope in FO4 there's a perk called "bro-love" and its picture is just two dudes boning and high fiving.

sweet geek swag
Mar 29, 2006

Adjust lasers to FUN!





Actually, the original meaning of confirmed bachelor was "heterosexual playboy who will never settle down." This made it very convenient for gay men to use the term to their advantage. "Why won't he settle down with a nice girl?" "He's a confirmed bachelor." Eventually people caught on, and it has become synonymous with gay, with some younger people at least. My dad was just as surprised as Bloody Hedgehog was to think it meant gay when I mentioned it to him. If you use the term literally it still can mean hetero stud. Really it should only be when you use the term sarcastically that it means gay guy. Still the modern usage of the term is changing, and it may be losing the earlier meaning entirely among younger people.

Caufman
May 7, 2007
It's one thing to be confused by the use of a term, but the story that Bloody Hedgehog makes up in his head while looking at the Confirmed Bachelor cartoon is beyond sense. Did he really think the game was going to give him a special perk to beat up on "weird" gay people who threaten his ultra-masculine heterosexual character? Given all the context clues that point Confirm Bachelor as the gay seduction perk, Hedgehog's mistake goes beyond misunderstanding and into some hilarious and pretty hosed up thinking.

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
People do get rather weird about that sort of thing. I remember reading a comment on Nexus on ST's Traits and Perks that he shouldn't use the name "Flower Child" for a perk, because it's derogatory. Really? I guess it could be used so, but I always thought it was a term that a lot of people embraced.

Asbury
Mar 23, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!
Hair Elf
You can tell how shallow of a life people lead by how quickly they get offended--that kind of outrage is something people claim when they're trying to storm a moral high ground, of course--but it kind of blows my mind that those offenses are even a consideration in a game as hyper-violent and as brutal as Fallout. Who complains about Flower Child when body parts fly off in bloody chunks and a whole faction is about rape and slavery and genocide?

sweet geek swag
Mar 29, 2006

Adjust lasers to FUN!





Caufman posted:

It's one thing to be confused by the use of a term, but the story that Bloody Hedgehog makes up in his head while looking at the Confirmed Bachelor cartoon is beyond sense. Did he really think the game was going to give him a special perk to beat up on "weird" gay people who threaten his ultra-masculine heterosexual character? Given all the context clues that point Confirm Bachelor as the gay seduction perk, Hedgehog's mistake goes beyond misunderstanding and into some hilarious and pretty hosed up thinking.

I'm not really arguing about that post, since it was drat weird. I'm not really sure how he got from "hetero stud" to "abuser of gay dudes."

Edit: Also the Flower Child thing was stupid, cause it was in Fallout and Fallout Tactics.

sweet geek swag fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jan 20, 2014

Rogue 7
Oct 13, 2012
Jesus, is the .45 SMG supposed to have 400+ DPS? It's fully upgraded and loaded with 45 Super, but it just makes things melt. Not even my fully tricked out endgame melee character had weapons that put out that kind of DPS.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Rogue 7 posted:

Jesus, is the .45 SMG supposed to have 400+ DPS? It's fully upgraded and loaded with 45 Super, but it just makes things melt. Not even my fully tricked out endgame melee character had weapons that put out that kind of DPS.

All SMGs have super-high DPS, they are balance by the fact that they will not do well against armored enemies, because each shot doesn't do a lot of damage.


That said, the .45-auto SMG is powerful enough that you really don't have to worry about that kind of thing until you see super-high level enemies, or Brotherhood mooks in power armor.

Friar Zucchini
Aug 6, 2010

Samuel Clemens posted:

Even the normal 5mm rounds have a DT modifier of -10. It's what makes the Minigun so amazing.
I was pretty pissed at the giant gun mod I got because it modifies the armor system to make DR a much bigger deal than DT, so a typical set of armor would have DT 3 and DR 25 or something. 5mmm ammo now has DR -15 instead, so now my precious assault carbine and minigun are pretty worthless against armored things like Bro'hood paladins and deathclaws. It made up for it with a couple new miniguns in .308 and .50MG though.

...The latter of which was wielded by a ghoul in The Long 15 the last time I nuked it. :stonk: I survived. Barely.

edit: I have actually not loaded up that .50 minigun with incendiary ammo yet. Why have I not done this? BRB going to find more things to kill

Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jan 20, 2014

M3wThr33
Sep 4, 2004

I gave up long ago trying to contribute anything ever.
I pick that stuff because by level 40 or so, all the other perks are useless as you are maxed out on stats and super strong, so there's no real point to conserving caps or ammo.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Incendiary? Load that thing up with .50MG explosive!

...I actually can't think of any place where a .50MG Explosive minigun would be useful. That giant deathclaw in the cave near the end of Lonesome Road?

gyrobot
Nov 16, 2011
I have been roleplaying as Artoym from Metro and is currently attempting an "ammo = money, I only use caps as payment for medical and paying you silly capitalists services" playthrough and I wonder what would count as military grade ammo? And where would power cells count into the equation. I make it that Artoym does not comprehend the concept of "caps" except for services and that everytime he trades he must make it a zero sum payment.

gyrobot fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Jan 20, 2014

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
I've played games where I've avoided using caps at all, not even for services.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
It's not the modern world- while the NCR military does seem to (to some extent) standardize on Service Rifles that load 5.56, I don't think they're well-supplied enough to be picky.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Friar Zucchini posted:

I was pretty pissed at the giant gun mod I got because it modifies the armor system to make DR a much bigger deal than DT, so a typical set of armor would have DT 3 and DR 25 or something. 5mmm ammo now has DR -15 instead, so now my precious assault carbine and minigun are pretty worthless against armored things like Bro'hood paladins and deathclaws. It made up for it with a couple new miniguns in .308 and .50MG though.

...The latter of which was wielded by a ghoul in The Long 15 the last time I nuked it. :stonk: I survived. Barely.

edit: I have actually not loaded up that .50 minigun with incendiary ammo yet. Why have I not done this? BRB going to find more things to kill
If Armory 3.0 was ever finished an AAS build with better-tuned negative DR values taken to account would have been released and 5mm ammo would be awesome again, but :suicide:

McTimmy
Feb 29, 2008

Pope Guilty posted:

Incendiary? Load that thing up with .50MG explosive!

...I actually can't think of any place where a .50MG Explosive minigun would be useful. That giant deathclaw in the cave near the end of Lonesome Road?

Courier's Mile :black101:

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

McTimmy posted:

Courier's Mile :black101:

Everywhere :black101:

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Pope Guilty posted:

Incendiary? Load that thing up with .50MG explosive!

...I actually can't think of any place where a .50MG Explosive minigun would be useful. That giant deathclaw in the cave near the end of Lonesome Road?

Deathclaw Promontory, of course.

Renditious
Sep 25, 2012

Pope Guilty posted:

Incendiary? Load that thing up with .50MG explosive!

...I actually can't think of any place where a .50MG Explosive minigun would be useful. That giant deathclaw in the cave near the end of Lonesome Road?


The better question would be "Where would a .50MG Explosive minigun not be useful?"

The answer, of course, is nowhere.

Utritum
May 2, 2009
College Slice

2house2fly posted:

This is the link I have saved. Please God tell me there are more.

There were a couple on rope kid's form spring. That second one especially takes the cake.

http://new.spring.me/#!/JESawyer/q/1792563742
http://new.spring.me/#!/JESawyer/q/1781305307

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Wolfsheim posted:

ED-E is pretty lovable for something that communicates only through beeps and prerecorded audio.
One of the reasons I keep subtitles on in games like this is because otherwise I might miss bits like "(sneaky beeping)" when you crouch with ED-E. The Lonesome Road ED-E does have a great personality and I was sad to let him sacrifice himself to stop the launch.

SlothfulCobra posted:

I hope in FO4 there's a perk called "bro-love" and its picture is just two dudes boning and high fiving.
Like an Escherian Eiffel Tower.

M3wThr33
Sep 4, 2004

I gave up long ago trying to contribute anything ever.
57/75 Steam Achievements down.

Lonesome Road, some casino crap and 3/4 ending paths left.

I finished up the GRA ones. Just went on a massacre killing all the NCR and Legion people with the right weapons. Felt good to be bad.

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
I had absolutely no idea you could do I Put a Spell on You from the Legion's perspective. It's rather easy to miss out on too, as you need to have high legion/ncr rep so you can't get to the point where the NCR labels you as a terrorist.

Also I'm very stupid and only just realized that when using melee weapons with vats, you can press different keys to use special attacks. Unlaboured Flawlessness is now my go-to attack.

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013

Ddraig posted:

I had absolutely no idea you could do I Put a Spell on You from the Legion's perspective. It's rather easy to miss out on too, as you need to have high legion/ncr rep so you can't get to the point where the NCR labels you as a terrorist.

Also I'm very stupid and only just realized that when using melee weapons with vats, you can press different keys to use special attacks. Unlaboured Flawlessness is now my go-to attack.

I remember being disappointed by how rigid the division between the NCR and the Legion paths is. During my first playthrough I basically was loving around with all the factions before deciding what to do, and really wanted to keep the monorail functioning, but the game didn't give me the chance to tell Hsu about Curtis even after he had revealed himself to me. Ended up having to catch him at the radio tower.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Ddraig posted:

I had absolutely no idea you could do I Put a Spell on You from the Legion's perspective. It's rather easy to miss out on too, as you need to have high legion/ncr rep so you can't get to the point where the NCR labels you as a terrorist.

There's a saying among Nethack fans that reflects the depth of the interaction between elements that goes: "The dev team thinks of everything!" New Vegas may not quite be up to Nethack's standard in this, but it's not for a lack of trying.

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
I'm somewhat disappointed they didn't try to blur the divide more. The "Don't Tread on the Bear" quests etc are rather limiting. An excellent playthrough would be to use the faction disguises to play both sides of the conflict, have them both go head to head with the understanding that the people they've asked to help are actually backing them up, but they get bombed by the Enclave/Boomers and the Courier sweeps in with his robot army to kick them both the gently caress out and take over.

I guess Wild Card sort of lets you do this, but I would really like the opportunity to have more stuff like Arizona Killer where you're a double agent.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

Ddraig posted:

Also I'm very stupid and only just realized that when using melee weapons with vats, you can press different keys to use special attacks. Unlaboured Flawlessness is now my go-to attack.
It's even better with the unarmed attacks you unlock at 50 and 75. Uppercut does 15% extra damage and Cross does 10% extra damage and more importantly 2.5x limb damage. Going into Dead Money with 75 Unarmed and grabbing the bear trap fist will let you kill ghost people in 1-2 VATS hits. There's also a Stomp attack that does double damage to downed opponents, but I've never bothered to use that because if someone got knocked down then they're probably almost dead anyway.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

Ddraig posted:

I'm somewhat disappointed they didn't try to blur the divide more. The "Don't Tread on the Bear" quests etc are rather limiting. An excellent playthrough would be to use the faction disguises to play both sides of the conflict, have them both go head to head with the understanding that the people they've asked to help are actually backing them up, but they get bombed by the Enclave/Boomers and the Courier sweeps in with his robot army to kick them both the gently caress out and take over.

I guess Wild Card sort of lets you do this, but I would really like the opportunity to have more stuff like Arizona Killer where you're a double agent.

To be fair by the time you're getting to Kimball's visit you're pretty well-known in the Mojave. It stands to reason that the NCR might just figure out something's wrong after the fifth time you strolled into Cottonwood Cove to have a chat with Caesar.

Similar situation with the Legion, as their spies are basically everywhere.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.
"We were somewhere around Novac, at the edge of the desert, when the Mentats began to take hold."

Nordick fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jan 22, 2014

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Wolfsheim posted:

To be fair by the time you're getting to Kimball's visit you're pretty well-known in the Mojave. It stands to reason that the NCR might just figure out something's wrong after the fifth time you strolled into Cottonwood Cove to have a chat with Caesar.

Similar situation with the Legion, as their spies are basically everywhere.

Yeah, I know it doesn't really make logical sense but it would have been fun anyway. It would have been good if they'd just used faction disguises more. I guess the faction disguises are supposed to disguise you as an anonymous member of that faction. If you change into a legion costume in the middle of nowhere, and you don't have anything that identifies you as you (your face is covered, you have no companions with you etc) then as far as most people are concerned, it should just be another dude from that faction and only when you talk to people should they be able to figure out something is up.

M3wThr33
Sep 4, 2004

I gave up long ago trying to contribute anything ever.

Ddraig posted:

Yeah, I know it doesn't really make logical sense but it would have been fun anyway. It would have been good if they'd just used faction disguises more. I guess the faction disguises are supposed to disguise you as an anonymous member of that faction. If you change into a legion costume in the middle of nowhere, and you don't have anything that identifies you as you (your face is covered, you have no companions with you etc) then as far as most people are concerned, it should just be another dude from that faction and only when you talk to people should they be able to figure out something is up.

And then you travel back to the Fort, forgetting to remove the disguise and all the Legion attack you without you understanding why.

Synonymous
May 24, 2011

That was a nice distraction.

Nordick posted:

"We were somewhere around Novac, at the edge of the desert, when the Mentats began to take hold."



That facewear is loving kickass.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

M3wThr33 posted:

And then you travel back to the Fort, forgetting to remove the disguise and all the Legion attack you without you understanding why.

There really should be some kind of confirmation every time you try to fast travel in a disguise - at the very least to faction owned locations.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

There was only one road back to The Boneyard.

M3wThr33
Sep 4, 2004

I gave up long ago trying to contribute anything ever.

Synonymous posted:

That facewear is loving kickass.

Looks like Michael Jackson

Merry Magpie
Jan 8, 2012

A superstitious cowardly lot.

steinrokkan posted:

There really should be some kind of confirmation every time you try to fast travel in a disguise - at the very least to faction owned locations.

Do you need constant affirmation that your clothing will not spontaneously disappear?

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Merry Magpie posted:

Do you need constant affirmation that your clothing will not spontaneously disappear?
I can't teleport in real life and I'm not in the middle of a five+ way faction war, so no. No, I don't.

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011

Wolfsheim posted:

It stands to reason that the NCR might just figure out something's wrong after the fifth time you strolled into Cottonwood Cove to have a chat with Caesar.


loving cable not working again! :v [SPEECH 100]

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2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Ever since I had to abort my second playthrough because wearing NCR armour erased a bunch of reputations and caused the NCR to shoot me on sight when I took it off, I've steered clear of faction outfits. I've read that re-equipping the outfit, or equipping a different outfit, can get you back to normal, so next playthrough I'm going to give them another try because some of them look extremely nifty (I adore the Centurion armour where they use one of those gigantic Fallout 3 Brotherhood pauldrons to over the entire right arm :allears:). Also I want to wear Caesar's outfit to Zion and imagine that Joshua Graham is trying very politely not to mention it.

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