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AvesPKS posted:But if this doesn't happen, the Tower doesn't break, without which I can't see the Black Ajah getting flushed out, and there's no path for Egwene to become Amyrlin. And the downside to that is...?
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It's sad that some of the Forsaken were more bit players than him / less page space, and probably did less damage to the light to boot 
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Pimpmust posted:It's sad that some of the Forsaken were more bit players than him / less page space, and probably did less damage to the light to boot True that. Both the Light and the Shadow have their share of failures.
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Dec 10, 2013 18:35
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I'm almost halfway through the third book, Dragon Reborn or whatever. Remember when I said I was glad it skipped the girls' time in Hogwarts? It's making up for it now. Why don't the magic Nancy Drews just ask everyone if they're Black Ajah or not? Of course, if there is a real answer, don't tell me
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Professor Wayne posted:I'm almost halfway through the third book, Dragon Reborn or whatever. Remember when I said I was glad it skipped the girls' time in Hogwarts? It's making up for it now. Why don't the magic Nancy Drews just ask everyone if they're Black Ajah or not? It should be no surprise that the Black Ajah can lie. Also you will be surprised at who all's actually in the BA when all's said and done.
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Black Ajah, or BEST Ajah? 
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Dec 11, 2013 07:00
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Honestly, some of the Forsaken felt like those villains in Shonen anime who's sole purpose is to anger the hero into developing a new super technique and then get obliterated by it.
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amuayse posted:Honestly, some of the Forsaken felt like those villains in Shonen anime who's sole purpose is to anger the hero into developing a new super technique and then get obliterated by it. There are a disturbingly large number of parallels between WoT and anime generally.
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Sanderson has always written like that, but Robert Jordan did have a pretty big hard on for Asia, Sword collection and all. Wouldn't surprise me if he had a giant stash of old Samurai VHS tapes in some cupboard.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He got his rear end awesomely kicked by Matt. A Mat who was sick and weak, at that.
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veekie posted:I just thought it meant the fight wasn't important to Mat. For the guy reading. it wasn't important to Mat, per say, but Mat totally and deliberately planned it. After rolling with the Calvary for the last few battles (and thinking Daerid the footman leader guy who isn't a lord is the only sane one) Mat says this time he will be with the pikes, telling them to raise a shout "protect the Dragon Reborn", causing Daerid to tell him not to be a hero and causing Mat to think that Daerid doesn't know what the hell he is going on about it and as an aside Couladin is a jackass and it would be nice to ice him. And then it goes exactly to plan. Professor Wayne posted:I'm almost halfway through the third book, Dragon Reborn or whatever. Remember when I said I was glad it skipped the girls' time in Hogwarts? It's making up for it now. Why don't the magic Nancy Drews just ask everyone if they're Black Ajah or not? Wait for it... Blind Melon fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Dec 13, 2013 |
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Blind Melon posted:For the guy reading. it wasn't important to Mat, per say, but Mat totally and deliberately planned it. After rolling with the Calvary for the last few battles (and thinking Daerid the footman leader guy who isn't a lord is the only sane one) Mat says this time he will be with the pikes, telling them to raise a shout "protect the Dragon Reborn", causing Daerid to tell him not to be a hero and causing Mat to think that Daerid doesn't know what the hell he is going on about it and as an aside Couladin is a jackass and it would be nice to ice him. And then it goes exactly to plan. In a sense it's exactly like the Aiel handled Laman. It was an execution, a necessary killing. Couladin was baited and killed like a mad dog, for much the same reason.
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Holy poo poo, Rand&Co cannot stop falling into loot. And when they stop getting the loot, they start making it themselves! 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There are a disturbingly large number of parallels between WoT and anime generally. There's a conversation between Rand and someone else in Towers that, as I was rereading last week in prep for finally opening up Memory, struck me as exactly the type of stilted weirdly expositional dialog you'd expect in an anime.
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veekie posted:They never realized it all the way to the end. Every plan of conflict was based on Lews Therin.
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Habibi posted:I suppose you could rationalize that somewhat since there's an almost better than 50% chance that Rand's madness leads to Lews Therin snatching control, rather than becoming a part of Rand. Yeah but the nature of Rand's madness isn't widely known, is it? I think there was one of the Forsaken (Mesaana I think? Someone with relevant specialist knowledge) who knew that sometimes mad male channelers heard voices from past lives. Maybe a couple others could have guessed it; Ishamael and Semirhage for instance. The rest don't have that excuse. I think a better line of reasoning for them is to say, people are nature plus nurture. Nurture-wise, nothing that comes from Rand's 20 year life in the primitive Third Age can possibly pose a threat. But nature-wise, he may still have some of the personality traits (as well as the raw power) that made him a legendary badass in his previous life. That's what they're worried about. So the safest plan is to always assume the worst-case scenario: that Rand will do what Lews Therin would have done. Anything else is sure to be a pleasant surprise. This is clearly wrong in hindsight but it's very understandable.
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I think it was Semirhage actually that claimed to have worked on men with the madness, which doesn't make any sense considering the timeline so she was probably just trying to get him riled up (after getting captured? My memory is foggy, but Semirhage was definitely the "healer". Mesaana was just some lovely school teacher).
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Pimpmust posted:I think it was Semirhage actually that claimed to have worked on men with the madness, which doesn't make any sense considering the timeline so she was probably just trying to get him riled up (after getting captured? My memory is foggy, but Semirhage was definitely the "healer". Mesaana was just some lovely school teacher). Mesaana wanted to be a researcher, but could never rise above her own mediocrity to be anything more than a teacher. Semirhage was the most famous doctor/healer in the world, until it was discovered that she used to deliberately make her procedures far more painful than they needed to be for sexual gratification. Graendal was a famous psychiatrist.
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Oh right, I meant to say Graendal since she knows about psychology; but I might still be wrong.
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McNerd posted:Oh right, I meant to say Graendal since she knows about psychology; but I might still be wrong. I'm struggling to remember right now if Rand ever actually was in a room with her, I don't think he ever was so it must have been Semirhage. (In fact as I think more about it I think it was Semirhage recounting something she learned from Graendal.)
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The Lord Bude posted:I'm struggling to remember right now if Rand ever actually was in a room with her, I don't think he ever was so it must have been Semirhage. (In fact as I think more about it I think it was Semirhage recounting something she learned from Graendal.) It was. My theory is that she was basing it off non-taint madness, which has certain similarities with taint madness. Possibly the taint exaggerates the underlying problems into major ones.
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Semirhage is the only living person with both the anatomical knowledge and the Old Tongue fluency to recognize why the area between your new life and your old life is called "the taint."
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So what was the Creator doing the whole series?
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amuayse posted:So what was the Creator doing the whole series?
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amuayse posted:So what was the Creator doing the whole series? 
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Maybe he's like the negligent God in Lucifer that became tired of his creation so just decided to lock up the place and walk away. In this case he set up a self executing cycle to keep his retarded brother from escaping the basement which required no intervention.
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Finished Lord of Chaos. I had fun with the book, but it feels like the series slowed down a lot. There was always a sense of urgency in the other books as everyone kept moving from a place to another, but here it was more like...a lot of things happened, but it didn't feel like the characters were walking toward those things so much as, things happened then they reacted to it, I suppose? That and the book kept foreshadowing a lot of things that were apparently pushed to the next book, which bothered me a bit. Still, I liked the book.
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Goddam. I hated how 70% of Lord of Chaos is about girls gossiping at Salidar.
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While Lord of Chaos has a lot of pacing issues, it also has a good number of my favorite moments in the entire series.
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McNerd posted:Yeah but the nature of Rand's madness isn't widely known, is it? I think there was one of the Forsaken (Mesaana I think? Someone with relevant specialist knowledge) who knew that sometimes mad male channelers heard voices from past lives. Maybe a couple others could have guessed it; Ishamael and Semirhage for instance. The rest don't have that excuse. Yet it seems to be known that the Dragon gets reborn and many of the Forsaken, when speaking to Rand, address LTT - or him as though he is LTT.
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The difference between Rand al'Thor and Lews Therin Telamon was Tam loving al'Thor, and not realizing that fact is Team Dark One's fatal mistake.
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Hopeford posted:Finished Lord of Chaos. I had fun with the book, but it feels like the series slowed down a lot. There was always a sense of urgency in the other books as everyone kept moving from a place to another, but here it was more like...a lot of things happened, but it didn't feel like the characters were walking toward those things so much as, things happened then they reacted to it, I suppose? That and the book kept foreshadowing a lot of things that were apparently pushed to the next book, which bothered me a bit. Still, I liked the book. Unfortunately the urgency doesn't ever really come back.
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amuayse posted:So what was the Creator doing the whole series? I think his intervention is pretty much designating Ta'veren and reincarnations.
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Blind Melon posted:Unfortunately the urgency doesn't ever really come back. Yeah, once Rand got his little empire set up there's no one moving to actually topple him straight up, the occasional Trolloc (and Assassins) attack not withstanding. Basically Jordan set everything up for the Final Battle that was supposed to just be 2-3 books away and... well. Makes all the Forsaken out like complete chumps too. Ta'veren and reincarnations is the job of the wheel, the Creator was such a goon that he put it all on auto. Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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I've just finished book 13 and have avoided this thread for the duration to avoid spoilers. I have one question. Where the hell did Moiraine and Thom getting together come from. I can't remember anything that would give the idea that would happen. Was just wondering if I was forgetting something, been reading thorough these for the last 8 months or so. Xillah fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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You missed nothing. One's a spy, one's an Aes Sedai, so they're sneaky enough to pull it off without anyone noticing.
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Thanks, it just seemed to be shoved in there ....because.
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Xillah posted:I've just finished book 13 and have avoided this thread for the duration to avoid spoilers. I'm in the middle of a re-read, and yeah, there are some clues. But even knowing, it still isn't obvious like most of the foreshadowed events.
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Xillah posted:I've just finished book 13 and have avoided this thread for the duration to avoid spoilers. I'm pretty sure there were hints dropped in books 3 & 4, maybe even earlier? honestly, the best thing to do when you've finished the wheel of time is to turn around and start reading the whole thing over again. You'll be amazed at what you pick up.
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