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fool_of_sound posted:There's a reason that the holy orders were founded to defend Jerusalem...
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CapnAndy posted:I did that. That extra 9,000 men was already included in the "nearly at parity, at least in army size". The only way I've found to be able to keep Jerusalem is to already be so ludicrous in size and power when you take it that you can already defeat Egypt more or less by yourself. Typically this means either a big realm with a giant levy, or having enough gold to flood Jerusalem with mercenaries. Having the Great Company, Templars, Hospitalars, a big retinue, and sizable personal levy should be enough to defend it more or less by yourself. In my Empire of Italia game, I managed to get my nephew on the throne of the Byzantine Empire through marriages and endless murder. Since he's catholic, he's now demanding all of his vassals convert to Catholicism and it's working. All of the provinces of the Byzantine empire are now slowly converting to Catholicism and so are all the vassals. What's better is I've betrothed my daughter and heir to him so that within a few generations two of the world's biggest powers will unite. It's gonna be a 
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Jan 22, 2014 08:20
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If you were at parity I think there should have been a way to win. If not through optimal use of terrain/commanders/traits then through dropping a fat stack to hire either some mercenaries or some assassins to get an enemy commander on day 1 of battle. That would leave that flank without a commander for the rest of the battle and that often has hellish results for a major clash. In particular, horse archers are best empowered by a set of tactics that require martial of at least Taking loans or calling in Pope favors can help out with the money. e: also not a bad idea to have your martial stop what he's doing and raise troops at your biggest levy provider. HenessyHero fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Jan 22, 2014 |
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Jan 22, 2014 08:29
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CapnAndy posted:So... any tips for actually holding Jerusalem? Speaking of Jerusalem, I just recently started playing an 867 start with CK2+ game as a Catholic ruler in Wales. By the time 950 rolled around, the pope was ready to call the first Crusade, for Jerusalem - which at the time happened to belong to child ruler loathed by fellow muslims and his vassals. Proximity seemed to be more important than actual forces as the first guy there was the Doge of Capua (who was the only existing trade republic besides my pet on in England) and is the only guy who finished sieges aside from the Pope before the Crusade was over. Now there is a Most Serene Republic of Gerussalem  I didn't even know that could happen!
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Jan 22, 2014 08:57
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It does not help that the Mameluks get a merc company for practically free + a holy order + a high-tech high-barony count homeland. I think CKII does a bad job simulating that sometimes the muslims really loving fractured and it wasnt just because of a short-term civil war.
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Jan 22, 2014 09:03
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Picard Day posted:Speaking of Jerusalem, I just recently started playing an 867 start with CK2+ game as a Catholic ruler in Wales. By the time 950 rolled around, the pope was ready to call the first Crusade, for Jerusalem - which at the time happened to belong to child ruler loathed by fellow muslims and his vassals. Proximity seemed to be more important than actual forces as the first guy there was the Doge of Capua (who was the only existing trade republic besides my pet on in England) and is the only guy who finished sieges aside from the Pope before the Crusade was over. It actually happens a lot (at least in CK2+), since merchant republics are weirdly inclined to go crusading in hilarious contravention of actual history.
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Jan 22, 2014 09:07
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Mickey McKey posted:It does not help that the Mameluks get a merc company for practically free + a holy order + a high-tech high-barony count homeland. I think CKII does a bad job simulating that sometimes the muslims really loving fractured and it wasnt just because of a short-term civil war. It does a good job of simulating that crusades were a terrible idea and crusader states were loving doomed, though! 
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Jan 22, 2014 09:22
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In today's edition of the worst borders, I present this item: 
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Jan 22, 2014 12:42
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At first I just saw the scattered Seljuks, and was thinking that was pretty ugly. But then I saw sourthern Italy was Sweden. What the gently caress, Sweden?
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Jan 22, 2014 13:03
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Piell posted:At first I just saw the scattered Seljuks, and was thinking that was pretty ugly. But then I saw sourthern Italy was Sweden. What the gently caress, Sweden? I'm guessing it's the player who is Capua or Amalfi, and for some reason swore fealty to a swedish king.
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Jan 22, 2014 15:17
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I had Sweden down there in a game, but they won a crusade for Sicily. For a while, they were my biggest rival.
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Jan 22, 2014 15:42
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Picard Day posted:Speaking of Jerusalem, I just recently started playing an 867 start with CK2+ game as a Catholic ruler in Wales. By the time 950 rolled around, the pope was ready to call the first Crusade, for Jerusalem - which at the time happened to belong to child ruler loathed by fellow muslims and his vassals. Proximity seemed to be more important than actual forces as the first guy there was the Doge of Capua (who was the only existing trade republic besides my pet on in England) and is the only guy who finished sieges aside from the Pope before the Crusade was over. In my game the crown went to Knights Hospitalier. So now there's a Jerusalem-sized gray blob in the Middle East with "Knights Hospitalier" written on it.
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Jan 22, 2014 15:58
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Rurik posted:In my game the crown went to Knights Hospitalier. So now there's a Jerusalem-sized gray blob in the Middle East with "Knights Hospitalier" written on it. That's kind of badass. Although the game mechanics do make it really hard to take territory back from those guys once they start getting counties, so good luck ever doing much in the Levant.
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Jan 22, 2014 16:20
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Are there any good alt-history mods that shuffle the power blocs? Kinda like europa gooniversalis but for CK2. The only ones I've seen just chop everything into counties or clinical duchies with only their de jure lands or both. Boring.
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Jan 22, 2014 16:45
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Rurik posted:In my game the crown went to Knights Hospitalier. So now there's a Jerusalem-sized gray blob in the Middle East with "Knights Hospitalier" written on it. That's happened in all the Crusades in my game, too. Knights Hospitaller took all of Hungary and then later on there was a Crusade for Andalusia, Knights of Santiago ended up winning that one, so there was a giant orange pain stain across half of Spain that didn't even have a kingdom crown on it. Of course, ripe pickins for Norse holy wars  .
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Jan 22, 2014 17:07
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Once holy orders pop up, it becomes extremely hard to win a crusade yourself. So you'll see a Hungary-sized KNIGHTS OF CALATRAVA or a nice fat chunk of Iberian TEUTONIC ORDER quite often.
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Jan 22, 2014 17:17
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Rurik posted:In my game the crown went to Knights Hospitalier. So now there's a Jerusalem-sized gray blob in the Middle East with "Knights Hospitalier" written on it. On a related note, my current Carpathia game has the Teutonic Order holding all of Mali. West Africa is slowly becoming culturally German, which is going to be really weird when I import this game into EUIV.
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Jan 22, 2014 17:56
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According to Paradox, "next week you'll know more" about the next expansion to CK2, which will "allow you to reign supreme from a brand new setting." Posted on their Facebook page
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Jan 22, 2014 18:03
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Civilized Fishbot posted:According to Paradox, "next week you'll know more" about the next expansion to CK2, which will "allow you to reign supreme from a brand new setting." This makes me imagine all kinds of awesome things. For example a non-European/Arabian/North African start. Japan? China? India? Perhaps even America? Perhaps they created a fantasy scenario themselves? That would own. Or could it be something already in CK2? Playable holy orders? Playable theocracies? I can hardly wait, with Paradox' recent track record of great expansions it will probably be extremely good.
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Jan 22, 2014 18:15
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I set up an antipope to get the Steam achievement, but the game didn't award it for some reason. Any clue on how to get rid of the guy with minimal fuss so that I may try again? I don't have Sons of Abraham.
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Jan 22, 2014 18:16
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Tevery Best posted:I set up an antipope to get the Steam achievement, but the game didn't award it for some reason. Any clue on how to get rid of the guy with minimal fuss so that I may try again? I don't have Sons of Abraham. Pretty sure you've got to have Ironman Mode on.
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Jan 22, 2014 18:22
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Torrannor posted:This makes me imagine all kinds of awesome things. For example a non-European/Arabian/North African start. Japan? China? India? Perhaps even America? Maybe they bought out a mod or are using it for their own interpretation. They went far enough to make a patch change specifically to aid a mod. When you've gone that far, why not go the whole hog?
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Jan 22, 2014 18:24
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Maybe a random map generator?
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Jan 22, 2014 18:30
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SeaTard posted:In today's edition of the worst borders, I present this item: I've seen worse:  Although to be fair, this is shortly after a crusade that absolutely shattered the Fatimids (and yes, that's the Knights Templar there in the Kingdom of Jerusalem, despite me handily winning the crusade as Ireland). And I don't know what the hell Serbia think they're doing (other than turning Hungary into a donut), but I don't like it. Edit: Also, that tiny chunk of France enclaved within the larger Aragon in Iberia? For some reason, that one province is Swedish-cultured, and has been since at least the early 12thC or so.  (side note: there are two Aragons. Right next to each other. How is that even possible).
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Jan 22, 2014 18:37
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I wish the direct vassals view didn't show places outside your realm because my internal borders are absurdly, hopelessly hideous. I guess that's just what happens when you're a huge empire, though.
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Jan 22, 2014 18:50
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Rurik posted:In my game the crown went to Knights Hospitalier. So now there's a Jerusalem-sized gray blob in the Middle East with "Knights Hospitalier" written on it. In mine, there was a crusade declared to take back Greece. 
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Jan 22, 2014 18:51
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Meh. It'd be nice to see the Papacy or one of the Knight orders run the world. Or a Republic.
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Jan 22, 2014 18:59
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Icecream Jane posted:Pretty sure you've got to have Ironman Mode on. I know and it's on. It was probably my internet connection mucking things up, it tends to happen. I'm not really mad about it or anything, I just want to get rid of that antipope and set up a new one (I'm gonna keep doing it until you give me my arbitrarily defined pointless accolade, game, don't you think I won't!), but I can't see a way to do it without incurring tyranny, and that's kind of a, you know, not elegant way to do it.
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Jan 22, 2014 19:01
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I think I'm the Boltons but in Russia. 
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Jan 22, 2014 19:04
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Civilized Fishbot posted:According to Paradox, "next week you'll know more" about the next expansion to CK2, which will "allow you to reign supreme from a brand new setting." CK2 would be a great engine for a Romance of the Three Kingdoms type game.
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Jan 22, 2014 19:06
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It took me until just now to realize the Craven icon is an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.
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Jan 22, 2014 19:11
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jellycat posted:It took me until just now to realize the Craven icon is an ostrich sticking its head in the sand. OHHH!!! So that's what it is. I never had a clue and really never took the time to scrutinize it.
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Jan 22, 2014 19:17
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FartGhost posted:I think I'm the Boltons but in Russia. If you were the Boltons, there'd be a "that's my girl!" option.
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Jan 22, 2014 19:21
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Okay, what's the quickest way to raise MA for Norse? I had enough MA to reform it, but by the time I had the piety, it went low again.
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Jan 22, 2014 19:32
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Things I had to learn the hard way: don't give land in Iberia to holy orders unless you're 100% positive you can immediately vassalize them. As King of Navarra, One of my relatives was next in line to become headmaster of the Templars. I'd just retaken Molina from the Muslims, so I figured I could give it to them, then vassalize them once my cousin was headmaster. Then he suddenly wasn't the heir anymore. Fast forward 200 years, and the Templars control all of southern Iberia. And by Southern Iberia, I mean the southern 2/3rds of Iberia. And then Pisa wins the Second Crusade for Jerusalem. And then Pisa, as the crusade winner is wont to do, vassalizes the Templars. So now Pisa controls most of Iberia, along with the south of Italy and Jerusalem, and are pretty much establishing themselves as the Third Goddamn Rome. And I'm less than 100 years from the game ending, with fabricating claims as the only way to push Pisa out.
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Jan 22, 2014 19:39
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Robindaybird posted:Okay, what's the quickest way to raise MA for Norse? I had enough MA to reform it, but by the time I had the piety, it went low again. When raiding just siege the provinces, when the Churchs are razed move on. Otherwise help any prepared invasions by others and subjugate any lone provinces with emphasis on your Holy Sites.
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Jan 22, 2014 19:40
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YouTuber posted:When raiding just siege the provinces, when the Churchs are razed move on. Otherwise help any prepared invasions by others and subjugate any lone provinces with emphasis on your Holy Sites. been trying to find good raiding targets that isn't going to get my armies crushed, I'll have to look a little farther afield.
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Jan 22, 2014 20:27
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DStecks posted:Fast forward 200 years, and the Templars control all of southern Iberia. And by Southern Iberia, I mean the southern 2/3rds of Iberia. And then Pisa wins the Second Crusade for Jerusalem. And then Pisa, as the crusade winner is wont to do, vassalizes the Templars. So now Pisa controls most of Iberia, along with the south of Italy and Jerusalem, and are pretty much establishing themselves as the Third Goddamn Rome. And I'm less than 100 years from the game ending, with fabricating claims as the only way to push Pisa out. Pisa can go to hell. Feels like any game where they aren't stomped on hard, they go nuts all over the Mediterranean.
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Jan 22, 2014 20:31
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So, I'm currently playing a random-gen shattered world and have become the Shia Caliph Sultan of Mauretania. A couple of years ago I imprisoned one of my wives because she tried to poison my First Wife, and now I get this: (Click for big)  The other options are, from top to bottom: Sultana Faghissa: Caliph Ziri: Is executed. I'm not sure if this means my wife the prisoner, or me the person sending myself a letter gets executed. Gain 323.4 gold and release the prisoner. This is the one I chose and just gave me free money for no cost. Or just threatening myself to not send any more letters to me. Gotta love some of the little bugs in this game
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quote:Pisa can go to hell. Feels like any game where they aren't stomped on hard, they go nuts all over the Mediterranean. In my last game, they conquered pretty much the entirety of Italy and had a lot of holdings scattered all around the Med, and at some point they went Cathar and pretty much smashed Aquitaine to bits. It was really scary, they could take out crusades aimed at them pretty much solo.
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