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duralict posted:That's kind of badass. Although the game mechanics do make it really hard to take territory back from those guys once they start getting counties, so good luck ever doing much in the Levant. Honestly, if you want to gently caress things up for the muslims, win a crusade and just give all of the land to the knights. I did it and its a load off my mind, I kept a couple of counties in there and just shove people I don't like over there, gently caress em.
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Seoinin posted:Pisa can go to hell. Feels like any game where they aren't stomped on hard, they go nuts all over the Mediterranean. Yeah, I've noticed that Pisa pretty much always comes out on top, but them vassalizing most of Iberia in one fell swoop was 100% my fault. dogstile posted:Honestly, if you want to gently caress things up for the muslims, win a crusade and just give all of the land to the knights. I did it and its a load off my mind, I kept a couple of counties in there and just shove people I don't like over there, gently caress em. I can't reccomend this, for the exact reason I just stated: Knights holding a ton of land means that if somebody other than them wins a crusade, they can start blobbing hard.
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I granted a bishopric to a jewish courtier without really thinking and now there's a temple in one of my provinces. Will it revert back to a bishopric when he dies or will another rabbi be magicked into existence? On the plus side, since there's no head of religion all the tax money goes to me.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:17
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I have determined that maybe the most sociopathic thing you can do in this game is capture a child in a siege, keep them imprisoned and educate them in your culture/religion, release them once they come of age, then invite them back to your court.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:54
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DStecks posted:I can't recommend this, for the exact reason I just stated: Knights holding a ton of land means that if somebody other than them wins a crusade, they can start blobbing hard. Yeah, but they're blobbing way over in muslim territory. I have literally only seen them get into europe once and that was because Brittany was taken over by muslims.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:58
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dogstile posted:Yeah, but they're blobbing way over in muslim territory. I have literally only seen them get into europe once and that was because Brittany was taken over by muslims. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The issue isn't that the knights are blobbing. The issue is that a crusade victor gets to vassalize them for free, and thus takes on the pre-existing knightblob. And the crusade victor is usually already a realm that's starting to blob; vassalizing the knightblob can make their momentum unstoppable.
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jellycat posted:I have determined that maybe the most sociopathic thing you can do in this game is capture a child in a siege, keep them imprisoned and educate them in your culture/religion, release them once they come of age, then invite them back to your court. And after that you can marry them to someone.  You can also give them some horrible teacher (bad stats, possessed, etc.) if they are an heir which is always entertaining.By the way should I be concerned if the Ilkhanate decides to reform Tengri?
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DrSunshine posted:OHHH!!! So that's what it is. I never had a clue and really never took the time to scrutinize it. and Brave is a peasant facing a dragon. ...took a lot of squinting for me to see it the first time, but that might be a resolution thing I guess 
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monster on a stick posted:And after that you can marry them to someone. Concerned about how cool that will be if you export it to EU4, maybe.
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monster on a stick posted:And after that you can marry them to someone. If you are not in Western Europe or Africa you should be concerned, yes.
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Why is reformed Tengriism such a threat? in my restored Roman Empire campaign reformed Tengri is probably the second largest religion and Hungary is a huge Tengri blob. They haven't messed with me at all even though my vassals take bites out of their territory every once in a while.
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jellycat posted:I have determined that maybe the most sociopathic thing you can do in this game is capture a child in a siege, keep them imprisoned and educate them in your culture/religion, release them once they come of age, then invite them back to your court. Holy crap, you can educate kids you've imprisoned? I had no idea! This will definitely change my relations with my neighbors...
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well crap. My MA keep dropping like a stone in my Norse game and I suspect it's because due to my LCA my vassals keep loving things up.
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Jan 22, 2014 23:42
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Trauma Tank posted:So, I'm currently playing a random-gen shattered world and have become the Shia Caliph Sultan of Mauretania. A couple of years ago I imprisoned one of my wives because she tried to poison my First Wife, and now I get this:  I never even got the choice not to turn down my own suggestion to make myself the Chief Qadi
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So I'm currently playing a duchess under the king of England. A few years ago, in the Create-A-Faction drop-down menu, there was a greyed-out faction, whose name I couldn't remember, that was basically "I am holier than you therefore I should be king/queen now," which required 500 piety to start. I'd never heard of such a thing. Well, I went ahead and became a Paragon of Virtue and now have about 650 piety and the "the Holy" epithet, and the King still has around 100 piety, but the option for that faction doesn't exist anymore. My suspicion is that it was greyed out not because of piety but because I didn't have Sons of Abraham, but I still can't figure out why it would vanish entirely. I couldn't find any info on this faction on google; what's the deal? I'm still on the "lower crown authority, switch to elective, and get elected" plan in the meantime, but that's going to take three more factions, not to mention winning an election, and that's a lot of work.
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DStecks posted:I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The issue isn't that the knights are blobbing. The issue is that a crusade victor gets to vassalize them for free, and thus takes on the pre-existing knightblob. And the crusade victor is usually already a realm that's starting to blob; vassalizing the knightblob can make their momentum unstoppable.
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Jan 22, 2014 23:56
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DontMockMySmock posted:So I'm currently playing a duchess under the king of England. A few years ago, in the Create-A-Faction drop-down menu, there was a greyed-out faction, whose name I couldn't remember, that was basically "I am holier than you therefore I should be king/queen now," which required 500 piety to start. I'd never heard of such a thing. Well, I went ahead and became a Paragon of Virtue and now have about 650 piety and the "the Holy" epithet, and the King still has around 100 piety, but the option for that faction doesn't exist anymore. Sounds like the new "Antiking" faction that you can form if your king has set up an antipope, which deposes both your liege and the antipope and sets you up as king with the Pope's blessings. It should be available outside of SoA, but only if your king has an antipope. The antipope probably died or something in the time it took you to get your piety up.
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The first two crusaders I got were basically counter-crusades to take back Francia but after that the Knights of Santiago took the whole of Iberia while the Knights Templar took Jerusalem. Nothing can dislodge either one of them it seems, not holy wars, not counter-jihads. Looks to be a common occurence reading this thread.
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Main Paineframe posted:Sounds like the new "Antiking" faction that you can form if your king has set up an antipope, which deposes both your liege and the antipope and sets you up as king with the Pope's blessings. It should be available outside of SoA, but only if your king has an antipope. The antipope probably died or something in the time it took you to get your piety up. Ah yes, that's exactly what it was. Thanks.
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So I'm fighting a big civil war as the Norse king of Scotland when I receive word that the Sunnis are calling a jihad for Syria. I was pretty embroiled in my own business so I didn't check out what was going on over there and just assumed the Byzantines had taken some land and were about to get spanked. A few years later, my civil war is over and I hear that the Jihad has failed and "God doesn't favor the Sunni faithful" etc etc "in their war against Sultan Akbar the Wise of Egypt." A jihad against the Sultan of Egypt? Cool, he must have converted to Christianity, and him successfully defending himself against a jihad is even better, however... Yup. This guy somehow converted to Judaism and has evidently been so for some time. All his vassals are Jewish and about 2/3 of his land is as well, all with no interference on my part. He's already claimed the Kingdom of Israel and I'm strongly considering using the console to make that his primary title, but at the same time, a Jewish King of Egypt is also funny.
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Pakled posted:Yup. This guy somehow converted to Judaism and has evidently been so for some time. All his vassals are Jewish and about 2/3 of his land is as well, all with no interference on my part. He's already claimed the Kingdom of Israel and I'm strongly considering using the console to make that his primary title, but at the same time, a Jewish King of Egypt is also funny. Suck it, Pharaoh!
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I wish I could have seen my own face when the Mongols first invaded. I had started as Sviatopolk Rurikovich in Zaozerye and was having a merry old time ruling the Russian empire, having taken control of the entirety of Rus, Ruthenia, Volga Bulgaria, Perm, and Poland. My realm was as wealthy and stable as you can get, my ruler was a genius with a genius heir, and everything was great. Of course I ignored those pop-up messages that regularly came up talking about hash smokers and crusades. The Mongols are coming? Okey dokey, thanks for letting me know. Click. Then the doomstacks appeared. My jaw literally dropped and I sat there, gaping helplessly at the screen, as the Mongols rolled into my dojo and wrecked my poo poo. That's when I realized that Paradox does not gently caress around.
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Clochette posted:I wish I could have seen my own face when the Mongols first invaded. I had started as Sviatopolk Rurikovich in Zaozerye and was having a merry old time ruling the Russian empire, having taken control of the entirety of Rus, Ruthenia, Volga Bulgaria, Perm, and Poland. My realm was as wealthy and stable as you can get, my ruler was a genius with a genius heir, and everything was great. Of course I ignored those pop-up messages that regularly came up talking about hash smokers and crusades. The Mongols are coming? Okey dokey, thanks for letting me know. Click. Pretty solid recreation of the Rurikovich experience circa 13th century, imo.
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I'm currently farther into a game than I've ever gone before, in 1297 from the Old Gods start date. It's also freezing all the time now. Is the Mac port just kind of lovely? Bootcamp has always been option, I've just always played from OS X because there's never been any difference in performance and dual booting is a little inconvenient.
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Excelzior posted:and Brave is a peasant facing a dragon. Temperance is the only one I don't get. It looks like a member of the Ghostbusters deploying a trap.
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arhra posted:Edit: Also, that tiny chunk of France enclaved within the larger Aragon in Iberia? For some reason, that one province is Swedish-cultured, and has been since at least the early 12thC or so. Don't think I saw this replied to; the answer is that one is the Kingdom of Aragon and the other the Duchy or County of Aragon. Usually for obvious reasons it doesn't happen much but Perm is somewhat notorious for being the name of two or even three separate realms at once.
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Reveilled posted:Temperance is the only one I don't get. It looks like a member of the Ghostbusters deploying a trap. I thought it was a flower blossoming from hard rock ("needing very little to strive")
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Reveilled posted:Temperance is the only one I don't get. It looks like a member of the Ghostbusters deploying a trap. I think it's a leash tied to a post to represent restraint. HenessyHero fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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I spent thousands of gold and killed countless bishops to get my genius son elected Pope at age 20. Now that he's the most powerful man in all Christendom, he doesn't seem to respect me anymore. When he isn't leading Crusades around the Levant, he's demanding I fork over provinces to fuel his reign. Last year, my son invited me to a feast so I could be arrested and humiliated. Where did I go wrong? QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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In my current game I used the leader creator to create an awesome Welsh Zoroastrian and started in the Old Gods start in the Duchy of Armenia. In 50 years I conquered almost the entire middle-east, most of the Byzantines, and everything around the Black Sea. I'm currently Saoshyant Emperor of Persia, and gave the Kingdom of Persia to the Immortals. Pretty cool, game. That is to say, the Longbow retinue and leader creator are OP.
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Ugh. Finally got the MA of Norse up to over 50, but seeing my dumbass Jarls and Chiefs are going to tank it (and I built a poo poo ton of temples) - I ended up breaking down and cheated the piety requirement. Now if I can get those chucklefucks to stop trying to install someone on my throne for twenty minutes, I can finally take over Denmark and form an empire.
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Mister Adequate posted:Don't think I saw this replied to; the answer is that one is the Kingdom of Aragon and the other the Duchy or County of Aragon. Usually for obvious reasons it doesn't happen much but Perm is somewhat notorious for being the name of two or even three separate realms at once. Yeah it's pretty common to have two of any of the Iberian kingdoms (Leon, Castille, Galicia, Portugal/Portucale, and Navarra) because there are duchies and kingdoms that both have that name. I think Perm and Arabia are the only ones that can have three (Perm has a county, ducal and kingdom title, Arabia has a ducal, kingdom and imperial title). But you never actually see three Arabias because the only time the AI ever manages to form it is under Muslim rule so it would show up as Fatimid or something instead, under the Muslim naming conventions. Perm, though...
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QuoProQuid posted:I spent thousands of gold and killed countless bishops to get my genius son elected Pope at age 20. Now that he's the most powerful man in all Christendom, he doesn't seem to respect me anymore. When he isn't leading Crusades around the Levant, he's demanding I fork over provinces to fuel his reign. Last year, my son invited me to a feast so I could be arrested and humiliated. Just do what I do. If you can't kill him, kill someone he loves. Crusader Kings: Making Sociopaths since 2012.
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I'm getting to the point where I think that holy orders just shouldn't be able to earn crusade warscore, because 80% of the time the result is a big unkillable crusader state where nothing interesting ever happens again.
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DStecks posted:I'm getting to the point where I think that holy orders just shouldn't be able to earn crusade warscore, because 80% of the time the result is a big unkillable crusader state where nothing interesting ever happens again. Wasn't the Pope's original plan for the conquest of Jerusalem that it would basically be a theocratic vassal state? Of course, absolutely none of the Byzantine Emperor's or Pope's plans were successful in real life. Maybe if a holy order wins the crusade, the kingdom just becomes a Catholic theocracy, or is annexed to be part of the Papal states outright. I haven't had the "Holy Orders Win All Crusades" problem personally, though it's irritating that in the Alexiad start date the Pope 100% of the time immediately calls a crusade for Greece rather than Jerusalem. In my current 1066 Norse game a Catholic Serbian Duke won the First Crusade 
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QuoProQuid posted:I spent thousands of gold and killed countless bishops to get my genius son elected Pope at age 20. Now that he's the most powerful man in all Christendom, he doesn't seem to respect me anymore. When he isn't leading Crusades around the Levant, he's demanding I fork over provinces to fuel his reign. Last year, my son invited me to a feast so I could be arrested and humiliated. You spent too much money and spoiled him. Back in my day, we had to spend our own gold AND kill the entire college of cardinals personally to be elected. All while fighting off two jihads.
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Spiderfist Island posted:Wasn't the Pope's original plan for the conquest of Jerusalem that it would basically be a theocratic vassal state? Of course, absolutely none of the Byzantine Emperor's or Pope's plans were successful in real life. Maybe if a holy order wins the crusade, the kingdom just becomes a Catholic theocracy, or is annexed to be part of the Papal states outright. I'm playing what started out as Duke of Antioch and wound up Orthodox emperor of Persia, and the Catholics only came up with the idea for Crusades a solid century after the Tengri and Shia. They've never actually called one because the only remaining crusade targets for Catholics are the single-county Fatimids in Lisbon, who weirdly can still call up 30k troops. Orthodoxy's on the verge of wiping out Islam altogether, although everything north of the Byzantines and east of Bohemia is a big old sea of Reformed Tengri now. EU4's going to be interesting.
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