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Kibner posted:Day 10 had some really fun matches. Yeah, a lot of tightrope-walking along the edge of the dohyo in Day 10.
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I'm really enjoying this basho. It doesn't even bother me that the winner was decided on day 1. There are story-lines with the many wrestlers. Kotooshu and Kotooshogiku trying to regain Ozeki and stay Ozeki respectively, Endo and Osunaarashi are promising newcomers doing really well, Kisensosato's failures this basho are just fantastic. Hell even the drama with the Sumo Association cracking down on the Youtube archives and creating a pay-wall add to the experience. All of that combined with some truly entertaining bouts throughout the tournament make for some good viewing. I'm having more fun this basho than the last basho where the winner was decided on the last day.
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The new guys are making a name for themselves and my boy Masunoyama is hanging around. Also, still count me in Shohouzan's corner, he's got a lot of grit. i enjoy watching him.
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I thought in situations like the Kikataki-Kyokushuuhou match they typically had a rematch, especially since the only reason Kikataki didn't touch the ground first was because his foot was outside the platform. Was the call in that match correct?
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Konstantin posted:I thought in situations like the Kikataki-Kyokushuuhou match they typically had a rematch, especially since the only reason Kikataki didn't touch the ground first was because his foot was outside the platform. Was the call in that match correct? I've always wondered that. It seemed like there were two matches where that happened and they both went opposite directions. I mean, if it were me going out my instinct would be to do the biggest jump knee tuck ever and land in a cannonball position just to maximize my hang time. "Crowd bowling" would take on a new meaning.
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Just want to say: Holy poo poo! Satoyama! Best move of the basho and maybe ever! (That I've seen!)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UXYVLGzoY Yeah Satoyama's got a fanclub for life for just that one move
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Funkysauce posted:Just want to say: Holy poo poo! Satoyama! Best move of the basho and maybe ever! (That I've seen!) Tsaedje posted:Yeah Satoyama's got a fanclub for life for just that one move It was by far the coolest thing I have ever seen in sumo.
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Diplomat posted:It was by far the coolest thing I have ever seen in sumo. asashoryu's bridge move that one time is #1 for me (although it didn't earn him the decision (it should have)) and takanoyama swinging off his opponent over the edge of the dohyo but never touching down outside of it and that one wild baruto kimarite i can't even remember the name of that's in the highlight comp that got posted in here after he retired, those are my faves. but that satoyama move was certainly fantastic too. i wonder if more people will try that now, seems like a smart move against a guy with long arms.
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a false posted:asashoryu's bridge move that one time is #1 for me (although it didn't earn him the decision (it should have)) and takanoyama swinging off his opponent over the edge of the dohyo but never touching down outside of it and that one wild baruto kimarite i can't even remember the name of that's in the highlight comp that got posted in here after he retired, those are my faves. but that satoyama move was certainly fantastic too. i wonder if more people will try that now, seems like a smart move against a guy with long arms. Asashoryu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CWYkO2LeMY&feature=youtu.be&t=50s I unfortunately couldn't find the Takanoyama and Baruto highlights with Aribira's channel being removed. Diplomat fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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hooooooooly poo poo
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Day 13: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdEv37AOndQ
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WindyMan posted:hooooooooly poo poo Welp, I may have new favorite.
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Day 14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCgITDtnuuY Satoyama vs Endo!? I don't know who to root for!  Lotta grumpy judges today. Holy poo poo, Hakuho with another rare finish!!! 
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They'll probably will. Although, color me surprised when it's anything other than back to back yusho.
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Great stuff this basho, really cool techniques I've yet to see. Can't wait for the final match tomorrow, hopefully it's a good one!
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Funkysauce posted:Great stuff this basho, really cool techniques I've yet to see. Can't wait for the final match tomorrow, hopefully it's a good one! Matches. 
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WindyMan posted:Matches. I see what you did there. That move by Hakuho was crazy. Kakuryu has averaged 9-6 for the last 2 years and has never won 12 as an Ozeki before now, so I don't think they discuss anything even if he beats Hakuho twice tomorrow. He'll need to pull a Harumafuji and suddenly yusho two in a row after a stretch of mediocrity. If he takes the yusho tomorrow and is the runner-up in March, then I think they might put a jun-yusho-with-13-wins minimum on him or something like that. Like they did to Kisenosato, who is now on the verge of makekochi. 
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Fryhtaning posted:I see what you did there. Kisenosato has never yusho'd in Makuuchi which was my point. Kakuryu has at least already had a playoff loss before, which Kisenosato can't even say. Also Kakuryu is no stranger to being 9-1 or 8-2 Ozeki after 10 days, but he always loses out after that for some reason.
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Day 15: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qSx5ATOh0E Lotta good long matches today. Oof, from yokozuna candidate to kadoban candidate in one basho. LOL Kotooshu Hakuho-Kakuryu was the poo poo. anakha fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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This was an awesome basho! Crazy techniques, lots of fighting spirit, and Hakuho continues to prove he's the GOAT edit - also just saw that Hakuho moved into the #10 spot for career wins and the #5 spot for wins in Makuuchi division Omnikin fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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anakha posted:Day 15: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qSx5ATOh0E Kisenosato, man the wheels cam off for him thise time around! Bad luck I guess, maybe the pressure got to him? Final match, that was great! That's what I was hoping for, a do or die match. I'm not that upset that Hakuho won that's a real legend. Oh one more thing: Goddammit Satoyama! I was hoping he'd ride the momentum of a great technique and do a little better, but a hair pull? No good.
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Man what a cop-out by Kisenosato, crying off injured rather than face going 7-8 in the ring Also poor Satoyama, losing out on kachi-koshi and gino-sho and facing possible demotion over a slight hairpull that didn't even benefit him Hakuho-Kakuryu was tense as hell and awesome sumo both times
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What an emotional roller coaster of a basho, especially with all of the drama with getting the drat video in the first place. Instead we finished with even better resolution and slo-mo replays. And what a fall from grace for Kisenosato, Kotooshu, Tokitenkuu, Chiyotairyu, and possibly even Aminishiki. But while they were big disappointments, we have a lot to be excited for next time - Endou against at least multiple Ozeki, the return of the human missile, a hungrier (lol sumo joke) Kakuryu, and hopefully a lot more of Satoyama.
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This latest basho was one of the most popular in a long time. It even had the most kensho since 1991. What is kensho? Kensho is an envelope that a sponsor can buy to sponsor a specific match. At the end of the match all of the envelopes are given to the winner. I think for the last basho a kensho cost around $660 to do. Usually a wrestler's personal sponsor buys them to promote the match, but even unassociated companies can buy them. Because of this, there are a huge amount of kensho for yokuzuna bouts and almost none for the double digit makuuchi wrestlers; however random popular wrestlers will have a bit on the table. A yokuzuna bout can have 20+ kensho on the line, so along with a possible kinboshi, it gives a big motivation for lower ranked wrestlers to do their best. This basho had a lot of story lines going; even though most of the initial ones fell flat on their faces, others came to take their places. Here is a kensho table that I stole from somewhere else:  (This is made by Europeans so the . is for thousands) Before Kakuryu beat Hakuho, him and Kisenosato had almost the same number of kensho even though Kakuryu had 5 more wins at the time. This can give you an idea the kind of support Kisenosato enjoys. Oosunarashi brings his own sponsorship from an Egyptian import company.
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Tsaedje posted:What proportion of the kensho goes directly to the rikishi? I'm guessing his heya would take a cut at least? Its slightly complicated, but it seems to be a direct payment to the rikishi: First the sumo association deducts some amount for itself, maybe ~10%? Then, the sumo association withholds about 50% of whats left for the rikishi's tax purposes. Finally what is left is given directly to the rikishi. How the heya operates is also complicated. Besides a bunch of permissions, the only way to open a heya is to own a share in the sumo association. The only way to own a share is to (after become Juryo or better) either inherit the share or buying it outright. There is a hard cap of 105 shares so buying one costs a few million dollars, which has been going up because of longevity of current holders. Because of this expense, legal adoption or marriage of a successful sumo wrestler into a share holding family is quite common. If you are the daughter of a heya head coach, I hope you like fatties. Because heyas by necessity own a share in the sumo association, there is revenue sharing based on the number of rikishi in each heya. This money comes from broadcast rights, ticket incomes, paid appearances by the sumo wrestlers etc. The second source of income are supporter clubs. These operate kind of like booster clubs for American college football. Its a group of wealthy people who are fans of a heya and pay club money. In return they get to hang out with the sumo wrestlers, celebrate wins with the heya, etc. They also make the dress-aprons that the wrestlers wear before each day. Finally local companies sponsor the heya directly sometimes. Apparently this isn't always money, but can be food companies or traditional clothing companies that send their product to the heya to use. Its kind of like endorsement deals, but for the whole heya. The whole heya system has a feudal feeling to it. In addition to bringing sumo into the family in a way that is recognized by law, the wife of the head heya coach is almost always the head manager of the heya. I'm pretty much piecing these things together from internet websites, some of which are really old, so the truth may vary. Uncle Jam fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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Plus, from what I've read the training that goes on there is pretty much the same as it was decades ago. This will probably never happen, but if someone like Baruto got control of a heya, threw out all the old traditions, and built an entirely new training program with professional trainers and nutritionists, they could probably dominate the higher ranks.
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Konstantin posted:Plus, from what I've read the training that goes on there is pretty much the same as it was decades ago. This will probably never happen, but if someone like Baruto got control of a heya, threw out all the old traditions, and built an entirely new training program with professional trainers and nutritionists, they could probably dominate the higher ranks. I agree, 90% of those guy's diet is chicken stew. Maybe this is why Endo is so strong compared? He got to do whatever he wanted in University. I read an article about a heya that was super traditional. No college guys or foreigners coming in, really traditional training etc, and they are one of the worst performing heyas.
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Aren't the traditions a very big part of it all though? I mean to start bringing in dieticians, sophisticated equipment, etc. would really turn the sumo world on its head right? I figured results were second to tradition? I could be wrong though. It's nice to see something rooted in its traditions. I do understand the arguments to modernize as well. Fewer injuries, better health and of course more likely to increase performance.
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Funkysauce posted:Fewer injuries, better health and of course more likely to increase performance. That raises a question I was meaning to ask before but forgot. How prevalent are PED allegations in this sport?
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There were nasty rumors about Takanoyama's old stablemaster feeding him insulin so he'd get fat, but then the stablemaster died and not a word was ever spoken about the whole thing ever again.
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Kikkoman posted:There were nasty rumors about Takanoyama's old stablemaster feeding him insulin so he'd get fat, but then the stablemaster died and not a word was ever spoken about the whole thing ever again. Japan.txt pretty much. I doubt there would be any investigation or public shaming. Just look how long the match fixing had went on.
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The training regimen for lower ranked wrestlers is getting the poo poo beat out of them with brooms while being forced to drink sake. Its like hazing, but every week!Funkysauce posted:Aren't the traditions a very big part of it all though? I mean to start bringing in dieticians, sophisticated equipment, etc. would really turn the sumo world on its head right? I figured results were second to tradition? I could be wrong though. The traditions are in the gyoji singing, the banners, the ceremonial 'things' like the spinning of that long thing, the entrance of the yokozuna. Better training and diets wouldn't affect any of that. Right now you have rikishi starting bashos injured, with injuries that any other athlete would have gotten under control within two months. If people did/are starting to modernize I think it'd be pretty hard to detect, they'd keep it under wraps for a while just because of the reasons you stated. Plus there is so much low hanging fruit - you don't need dieticians to not eat chicken nabe every day, and how could anyone get mad about basic rehab at a specialist center? If they don't want rikishi to throw bouts then they should support them when they get injured giving their all. Its a bit two faced. Also a lot of the traditions are pretty recent, the yokozuna entrance ceremony didn't really become every basho thing until the early 1900s for example. I understand the sentiment, but why are they forced to live in the poo poo while the people tut-tut'ing them get to live a modern life?
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Uncle Jam posted:The training regimen for lower ranked wrestlers is getting the poo poo beat out of them with brooms while being forced to drink sake. Its like hazing, but every week! I guess a fair compromise would be to modernize stables, have them train under better conditions and get care when they need it then keep all the pomp and ceremony (can I say pomp and circumstance there?) for the basho? That way the spectators still get the classic sport and the participants don't have to die because they have a bad heart or retire because of a torn ACL.
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