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Antinumeric posted:I was playing as the Byzantine Emperor. I acquired the Gavelkind Kingdom of Bulgaria, but couldn't destroy it due to it being Gavelkind. So I got the CA up, switched to ultimogeniture but died before I could destroy it. Despite the Byzantine empire saying primogeniture and the Bulgarian empire saying ultimogeniture when I died my youngest son inherited both titles and I started playing as him. Was he the only son with born in the purple?
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Trogdos! posted:I have been playing a muslim for a time now. Normally I've played mostly pagans for their quick gameplay style. I'm bad at christians, unless it's the byzantines (free holy wars) or a republic. Feudal christians - I always stagnate after my first kingdom and suck at expansion. Yeah, I haven't really tried Muslims very much yet but what is it about the decadence mechanic that people dislike so much? Is it just that you end up having to give out a lot of land to people who will inevitably try to make a claim on your title on succession? Because I always end up doing that anyway since I'm dumb.
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For gavelkind they could maybe set up a points-based system where everything you own has a value attached to it (say, 1 point for a barony, 2 points for a county, 3 for a duchy and 5 for a kingdom) and after a certain amount of points you're forced to distribute them to your sons before you die (with each of them having a point limit themselves) or else inherit a massive tyranny penalty when the primary heir takes over. Just anything that gives the player more control over who inherits what, and at the same time forcing them to distribute more or less an equal share to every heir.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Yeah, I haven't really tried Muslims very much yet but what is it about the decadence mechanic that people dislike so much? Is it just that you end up having to give out a lot of land to people who will inevitably try to make a claim on your title on succession? Because I always end up doing that anyway since I'm dumb. Because decadence is dynasty wide and that what you just wrote will gently caress you up because your dynastic vassals will let their sons run wild and be useless. Decadence is not hard to manage, but constricting and opposite of what is fun in CK2. Instead of having branching dynasties, you need to prune them. It's not really that fun for me in its current implementation and I think that it really needs reworking. EDIT: It's like a time bomb. It's not hard to deal with, but the stress will slowly eat you up from inside, until you just can't take it anymore.  You could also compare it to timed quests in those old rear end RPGs. Fun the first several times, but it quickly becomes tedious as you replay the game more. And CK2 goes hand in hand with replaying. Jesus Christ this sounded real bitchy! fuck off Batman fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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Regarding people wanting to flesh out CK2 rather than add new things. You know they can do both right? Anyway i'm really excited about this DLC because of the racists after the announcement and hopefully the "ugly borders" spergs freaking out once it's released. I've caught up on this thread (read the last 15 pages) and "ugly borders" posts are my favorite posts so thank you for making me laugh.
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Necroneocon posted:Regarding people wanting to flesh out CK2 rather than add new things. Yeah, "more fleshing out" is not good for marketing, so they always announce new things and add depth under the hood. It's just that people never learn. And you might laugh now at "pretty borders" crowd, but pretty soon you're going to like them ironically, and that is just one step from posting hateposts at ugly maps  Pretty borders are like drugs.
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Necroneocon posted:Regarding people wanting to flesh out CK2 rather than add new things. In Sons Of Abraham they added some new mechanics and new events for existing factions, new extremely underwhelming faction, while messing up the game balance. I hope they won't break things again with the patch and I'm definitely not buying new expansion, unless it includes something like retinue. To be honest, I'd prefer that they focus on what they actually care about (Catholics, Norse, Byzantine, maybe) then half-rear end India or China or Japan like they did with non-Norse pagans or Jews. rvm fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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Jan 25, 2014 13:09
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I can't wait for the new DLC and see in what new interesting ways paradox will break the game and introduce new bugs. Especially interested to see what they will do with the hordes.
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Jan 25, 2014 13:17
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The way the revoke plots work is actually pretty simple but nowhere in game does it explain it to you. I honestly had no idea there was any rhyme or logic to it. Thanks! On another note, is it possible to reorganise counties, duchies and kingdoms so they all follow their de jure borders without going on a terrible revokation spree? Now that my empire covers about a third of the map, the OCD bit in me is getting harder to shut out. I'm dreading to see what'll happen when I conquer the mishmash of states that are the British isles (nearly every county is independent, brilliant for quick conquering).
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Disco Infiva posted:Because decadence is dynasty wide and that what you just wrote will gently caress you up because your dynastic vassals will let their sons run wild and be useless. Decadence is not hard to manage, but constricting and opposite of what is fun in CK2. Instead of having branching dynasties, you need to prune them. It's not really that fun for me in its current implementation and I think that it really needs reworking. Imprison and slay all kinsmen. Give your lands to non-nobles so they'll never inherit each others' titles. Each succession, imprison all your brothers and half-brothers until you get your own son, then behead them all. Works like a charm Honestly, I just give all my sons a lovely penalized newly conquered county each, or more if I deem the son as my successor. When the brothers are imprisoned and beheaded when the most powerful son takes the throne, I just land my most able non-nobles with their lands and the cycle begins anew.
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Jan 25, 2014 14:28
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I've managed to rescue my game from the brink of defeat, and now it's going okay. Sorta. I went from King of Ireland, Scotland, and Brittany, to a mayor in Denmark (My brothers were pretty lovely toward me after our father forgot to ditch Gavelkind). That one holding was all I had. Now i'm king of Denmark and i've got my sights set on Norway. Emperor of Scandanavia, here I (hopefully) come! I'm a little concerned about Cumania, however. It's massive and can raise well over 80k troops. Still, with any luck they'll ignore me. Rahzmataz fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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Jan 25, 2014 15:38
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monster on a stick posted:^^^^ once as a ducal regent I got the "do you want autonomous vassals of course you do" event. His entire family name was killed for his insolence.
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Jan 25, 2014 16:38
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chippocrates posted:Was he the only son with born in the purple? Nope. Started as the emperor.
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Antinumeric posted:This happened to me as the child emperor. This happened to me as well. It was extra annoying though because they decided to do it one step at a time. It started on high, and then they were all "You have to change it to medium!" and being a regency I didn't have an option to refuse. Then they did it AGAIN down to low, and once more to minimum. It's like they deliberately wanted to leave me with the hope that it wouldn't drop again just so they'd have the pleasure of taking it away from me. I've learned now not to fill my realm entirely with dynasty members though. See it sounds like a good idea on paper because you get a bonus with them and they'll all be your culture and religion so they'll like you, but in practice what happens is they all hate you and like each other. So every time someone starts a faction, everyone joins the  and you end up having to fight off a revolt of your whole realm every generation.In the future I think my policy is going to making them all different dynasties, and different cultures if possible, so that sure they might hate me, but they'll hate each other too so they won't be able to cooperate to make demands. Plus if they get too uppity I can just set crown authority to low and let them work it out among themselves.
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Jan 25, 2014 16:46
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The Cheshire Cat posted:This happened to me as well. It was extra annoying though because they decided to do it one step at a time. It started on high, and then they were all "You have to change it to medium!" and being a regency I didn't have an option to refuse. Then they did it AGAIN down to low, and once more to minimum. It's like they deliberately wanted to leave me with the hope that it wouldn't drop again just so they'd have the pleasure of taking it away from me. If they do it via the event it counts as your character changing the law. So you can never raise it above autonomous when you come of age. It is serious bullshit. My policy is to make one duchy filled with family members (kingdom if they are emperors) and everywhere else filled with my culture/religion generated vassals. Seems to work fairly well.
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BBJoey posted:How exactly is giving out your titles to people who you can't play as gaming the system when that's exactly what the system does in the first place? As it is, the game isn't very clear on how and why titles are distributed. If the player was able to choose who gets what (within constraints, like each son having to have a certain number of counties etc) then Gavelkind might actually be a viable and interesting playstyle instead of something which is to be dropped and never considered again. Because Gavelkind isn't intended to be a viable and interesting playstyle, unless you just want to stay tiny forever. Gavelkind is made to be the lovely succession that has to be dropped and never considered again as soon as you can meet the conditions for changing it, which for some countries can be fairly difficult. Gavelkind is supposed to gently caress your poo poo up, that's why it doesn't give the player any input at all into how it works. Veryslightlymad posted:Yeah, I think of the three games I've finished, and the several I've stopped midway through, Muslims are my favored playstyle, as well. Decadence gets blown way out of proportion on this forum for how deadly/crazy/annoying it is. It's not handled the best, and the AI can't deal with it at all, so yeah, I agree it needs a rework, but as a player, you should be able to build a fairly large empire and never have a single problem with decadence. Hell, I was roleplaying my dudes to make lovely decisions, and it still never got past maybe 20-30 at the absolute highest point. I think the issue with decadence is that, while it's fairly easy to control, you need to imprison or murder your entire male dynasty in order to keep it under control (which makes things less interesting because you don't have any dynasty members running around doing poo poo), and if you let it get out of control for a generation or two then it'll spiral out of hand because the AI makes no attempt to manage decadence so the surviving dynasty members have kids, who have more kids, and so on. Main Paineframe fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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The Cheshire Cat posted:In the future I think my policy is going to making them all different dynasties, and different cultures if possible, so that sure they might hate me, but they'll hate each other too so they won't be able to cooperate to make demands. Different dynasties, sure, but different cultures is just terrible idea. Title claimant is -15 and it goes away eventually, but same dynasty +5 is permanent.
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So, public opinion seems to be that the mongols are the best faction to get achievements with. I assume it's easiest to go full North Korea on Europe but how exactly do I do it without a) wasting my initial doomstack b) clicking a million times to imprison/banish people and c) losing conquered kingdom titles to the Gavelkind demon?
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Disco Infiva posted:You need to wait for your Diviner to agonizingly convert each and every province in your demense. Your stats mean nothing, your Diviners stats cap at around 20 learning. Have fun!  Is there any conversion events I can fire with the console? I really do not want to have to convert 6 counties with my court chaplain; having them another religion will kick my income and levies in the balls.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Yeah, this happens from time to time - it's not so much a bug as it is that the Knights and the Papacy both have large armies... and small navies. They may not have enough boats to actually ship their guys over (and the AI may not be bright enough to split their Holy Doom Stacks into shippable units; I don't know). Yeah this happened to me in my current game. The King of England gave the Knights Templar land, so they spawned in southern England and spent the entire unsuccessful crusade for Andalusia hanging out there. Still getting a whole bunch of my guys the crusader trait was worth it.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:So, public opinion seems to be that the mongols are the best faction to get achievements with. a) Don't worry about it, you'll be rolling in the best retinue soon. b) Invasion gives you control of all sieged counties. Don't end the war at 100%WS grab as much land as you can c) Mongols have ultimogeniture.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The way the revoke plots work is actually pretty simple but nowhere in game does it explain it to you. Of course, if you are the Byzantine Emperor or a Muslim king/emperor, you can revoke duchies for free, meaning you can always maintain your de jure internal borders!
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Jan 25, 2014 18:17
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They should just code in a Lear succession type where your lands are handed out based on your children's Diplomacy/Intrigue scores and children with the Honest trait get banished from the realm.
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grancheater posted:a) Don't worry about it, you'll be rolling in the best retinue soon. Huh, the game said I was about to lose certain kingdoms after I finished the first war. I suppose it takes a while for the lower titles to update to ultimo.
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GoatLord posted:They should just code in a Lear succession type where your lands are handed out based on your children's Diplomacy/Intrigue scores and children with the Honest trait Fixed that for you. Actually, I'd love to see some Shakespeare styled events in the game. It'd give me a reason to play as Denmark at least.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Huh, the game said I was about to lose certain kingdoms after I finished the first war. I suppose it takes a while for the lower titles to update to ultimo. Sometimes the game doesn't update succession for whatever reason. When my son was married to a princess, and I managed to faction her onto the throne, then faction the succession law to primogeniture, my grandson didn't show up as her heir until I saved and reloaded the game.
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I'd kill to have the religious conversion system from EUIV ported into CK2, maybe have its speed tied to your religion's moral authority. For some reason I'm fine with all the other councilor activities firing at random, but with religious conversion I wish you were at least making some progress towards converting rather than waiting decades with nothing to show for it.
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Mickey McKey posted:
"event 900 = converts any province where your leader is stationed to your religion , note that you can convert any province by appointing your leader general of an army and then moving that army to the province you want to convert" From the CK2 Wiki.
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Torrannor posted:Of course, if you are the Byzantine Emperor or a Muslim king/emperor, you can revoke duchies for free, meaning you can always maintain your de jure internal borders! It's not quite that easy as counts, dukes and kings inside the Byzantine empire start marrying/murdering each other and inheriting titles. After a while it's not uncommon to see something like the Despot of Armenia with a vassal or a county in Spain. I try not to click the subordinate vassals map button.
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Confession - I use the console to switch over to dukes with sloppy overgrown duchies and transfer vassalages around until everything is in its right place. Not because I'm afraid they're too strong but because I hate untidy duchies. Unless its my own. Then I'm just exercising the prerogatives of nobility and the king had better step off.
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KittyEmpress posted:"event 900 = converts any province where your leader is stationed to your religion , note that you can convert any province by appointing your leader general of an army and then moving that army to the province you want to convert" Thank you. I dont want to go around doing it everywhere but its so frustrating to see the AI mass convert its conquests while I sit here with a State Learning of 43 / Priest with 21 / 90+ Moral Authority unable to convert a single drat Old Romuva, unreformed Slavic, or unreformed Suomenusko county. Spakstik posted:I'd kill to have the religious conversion system from EUIV ported into CK2, maybe have its speed tied to your religion's moral authority. For some reason I'm fine with all the other councilor activities firing at random, but with religious conversion I wish you were at least making some progress towards converting rather than waiting decades with nothing to show for it. This would be pretty sweet. I agree (as noted above) that the current system does not work so well for players (or at least my confirmation bias tells me so).
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So I'm mongoling my way across Asia. Captured the Ecumenical Patriarch. Now he's sitting in my dungeon and I don't know what to do with him - Cant ransom, can't banish, can't revoke his title and killing him probably just creates a new one from the pope dimension. Anything I can do about that or should I just ignore him? The Venetians for some reason conquered a church in the Constantinople county, is that why he still exists? e: Well that was poo poo. I reformed the Tengri faith and turned into a theocracy. Game over.
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Jan 25, 2014 20:38
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Dumb question: after I reformed Slavic... I'm seeing "Pagan Homeland" when attacking Romuva territories. Do I no longer count as Pagan or something? Confused as to what's going on.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I've learned now not to fill my realm entirely with dynasty members though. Having nearly everyone be your dynasty is pretty sweet. I've been running this whole game on low CA and they're all too busy scheming against each other to worry about challenging me. The best part is that each claimant I place on a throne is completely immune to internal revolts. Every time someone who isn't in my bloodline decides to make a play my entire realm marches. The really big downside is that you can't just take the hit if your assassin gets chatty. quote:Plus if they get too uppity I can just set crown authority to low and let them work it out among themselves. I think your problems are more due to medium CA than having everyone in the same dynasty.
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Mailer posted:Having nearly everyone be your dynasty is pretty sweet. I've been running this whole game on low CA and they're all too busy scheming against each other to worry about challenging me. The best part is that each claimant I place on a throne is completely immune to internal revolts. Every time someone who isn't in my bloodline decides to make a play my entire realm marches. The really big downside is that you can't just take the hit if your assassin gets chatty. You CAN assassinate them... just don't get caught  .The trouble with having them all in the same dynasty is they tend to dogpile on a revolt. Even if they don't back the initial faction that starts it, what always happens is every other vassal ends up just getting called in as an ally by the rebels since they get automatic alliances for being related. I generally have enough troops that I can put them down with a few mercenaries backing me up, but it's a pain to do it every time I have a succession happen. Especially when I get a bunch in a row because of various factors conspiring to kill my rulers off young. alcaras posted:Dumb question: after I reformed Slavic... I'm seeing "Pagan Homeland" when attacking Romuva territories. Do I no longer count as Pagan or something? Reformed Pagans don't fall under the "Pagan" umbrella anymore, they become their own religions (I think the religious group is specifically "Reformed Pagan"). It also means that Christian/Muslim preachers can't prosthelytize in your lands anymore. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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alcaras posted:Dumb question: after I reformed Slavic... I'm seeing "Pagan Homeland" when attacking Romuva territories. Do I no longer count as Pagan or something? Unreformed pagans get a defensive attrition bonus vs anyone Military Organization tech 3 and below, is the "Pagan Homeland" thing you are seeing in regard to attrition or something else?
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alcaras posted:Dumb question: after I reformed Slavic... I'm seeing "Pagan Homeland" when attacking Romuva territories. Do I no longer count as Pagan or something? Pretty much. You're basically "Super Pagan," treated more or less the same as Christian or Muslim religions.
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I had two sons. The eldest died before ascending to the throne, but not before having a son of his own. I was an Emperor with Gavelkind succession. I had four kingdom titles and 9 county titles. When I died, my second son (who control switched over to) took the emperor title, one king title, and one county title outside the kingdom he controlled. The son of my first son took 3 kingdom titles and 8 county titles. Up to the day my king died, the "loss on succession" infobox listed two counties and two kingdoms I would lose control of. I think Gavelkind needs a revamp, or at least some transparency as to how the titles are selected.
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Moktaro posted:I just found a website streaming medieval/renaissance music, not bad if your rig can handle that while running CK2 (or EU4 for that matter): Further to this, this goes very well with CK2, but it goes unbelievably well with Mountain Blade: Warband. Just in case any goons were wondering! ^^^ Yeah Gavelkind really needs a reworking, there's some suggestions in this thread of how to do it. Something needs to happen though - I don't mind it in principle, in fact it could be quite good for sparking all kinds of hilarious trouble, but as it stands I always get out of it ASAP, sometimes with console commands, just because it assigns your inheritances so stupidly.
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Mister Adequate posted:Further to this, this goes very well with CK2, but it goes unbelievably well with Mountain Blade: Warband. Just in case any goons were wondering! How about assigning titles while you are still alive, and then your heirs fight among themselves after you die/become incapable, based on their perception of fair distribution. Ambitious character will want more, content would be happy with what he got, just would want an equal distribution and lunatic would want a county made of sausages. High intrigue character would have a natural edge in this, because of all backroom dealings with other vassals and heirs. If this tugging match goes on for too long, it could even spark a full blown civil war.
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