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Alpacalips Now posted:A black person wrote something about black people - it must be a Lit Fic! What the everloving gently caress is Lit Fic
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Arcsquad12 posted:Though the New Testament did have Jesus declaring war on the Greek Underworld and saving all the souls from Hades. I think you've got your books mixed up there.
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Jan 23, 2014 06:32
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Fuego Fish posted:What the everloving gently caress is Lit Fic Literary fiction. It's kind of a lame catch-all for fiction that isn't "genre".
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Jan 23, 2014 06:45
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:As someone who digs body horror something fierce, the transformation community has always puzzled me. It's like someone picked up on the erotic themes in Videodrome or Hellraiser, but thought, "no, that's just icky, I want to be forcibly transformed into a pony or a car or someone's bidet. A sexy bidet." And then they write a whole fanfic universe where anyone who doesn't want to be a slutty bidet is treated like they have some horrible illness. lol Oxxidation posted:Yeah, a lot of furry stuff kind of tapdances around fetishizing animal abuse (with the zoophiles leaping headlong into it in the worst ways), but this fluffy thing turns the stomach because it literally fetishizes animal abuse. These are the kind of people who would get erections when they beat dogs and think, this moment would be perfect if only it could beg me to stop in human speech. epic (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 23, 2014 07:20
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DStecks posted:Solomon is probably the only person to write two books of the Bible, where the second is a direct refutation of the first. Yup! Makes sense considering how much of his life was devoted to self-improvement and increasing the scope of his knowledge, I guess. ...of course the third book he wrote is largely about tits, so... Whoops, off topic again! ...this stuff is much more enriching to discuss than Tropers. 
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Jan 23, 2014 07:24
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So, TV Tropes has a section for reviews, open to works of all genres in all media. My time is valuable, so I'm glad that these people have taken it on themselves to sort the grain from the chaff in the dauntingly wide world of Axis Powers Hetalia fanfiction:Pszczola posted:Comment by v2113 Nani posted:Warning: Rant Ahead. Ice Queen 128 posted:Quite Lovely for a Smut Fic Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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Jan 23, 2014 08:15
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Roland Jones posted:I dunno, David seemed to enjoy it. He went and collected two hundred when he needed only half that. He was just trying to level up.
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Jan 23, 2014 08:33
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:I think you've got your books mixed up there. Might have, it's been a while. EDIT. Yeah, you're right, no reference of it in the NT. I always found the story interesting though.
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Jan 23, 2014 08:34
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Sham bam bamina! posted:So, TV Tropes has a section for reviews, open to works of all genres in all media. My time is valuable, so I'm glad that these people have taken it on themselves to sort the grain from the chaff in the dauntingly wide world of Axis Powers Hetalia fanfiction: Am I the only one confused if that Troper is annoyed by the lack of lengthy description or by the many line breaks? The way I read it that tropers seems to be annoyed by the former. Darth TNT fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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Jan 23, 2014 11:12
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made of bees posted:Oh man Starship whatever his name was would go nuts. Is he still around? The passive-aggressive fundamentalist dude who's always moaning about how gays are the real bigots for not respecting his homophobic beliefs? Got banned in October when his passive-aggressiveness and failure to learn anything finally crossed the line.
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Jan 23, 2014 11:57
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Venusian Weasel posted:Literary fiction. It's kind of a lame catch-all for fiction that isn't "genre". In this context, it means "books that we had to read for high school". Since that is the only time that most tropers would have gotten any exposure to the classics and/or writing by non-white people.
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Jan 23, 2014 13:30
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Venusian Weasel posted:Literary fiction. It's kind of a lame catch-all for fiction that isn't "genre". Well that's all tropers need, really, isn't it? Something to separate out their steampunk tales and fantasy epics from the rest of the world. Darth TNT posted:Am I the only one confused if that Troper is annoyed by the lack of lengthy description or by the many line breaks? The way I read it that tropers seems to be annoyed by the former. The troper's annoyed by too many line breaks. Why they'd think they could find lengthy descriptions in a loving Hetalia fanfic is beyond me, but there you go.
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Jan 23, 2014 16:39
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The author spent more of their space on line breaks than on dissertations on how the characters are screwing each other?! HE BETRAAAAaaaaYS ME!
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Jan 23, 2014 17:08
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Regalingualius posted:The author spent more of their space on line breaks than on dissertations on how the characters are screwing each other?! HE BETRAAAAaaaaYS ME! What in the gently caress did I just listen to?
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Jan 23, 2014 17:13
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Regalingualius posted:The author spent more of their space on line breaks than on dissertations on how the characters are screwing each other?! HE BETRAAAAaaaaYS ME! Damnit, I thought that was gonna be a The Room clip. You betray me TVTropes, you no good!
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Jan 23, 2014 17:27
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Fuego Fish posted:Well that's all tropers need, really, isn't it? Something to separate out their steampunk tales and fantasy epics from the rest of the world. I do love that Tropers' conception of literature essentially boils down to "sci-fi", "fantasy", and "everything else".
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Jan 23, 2014 17:40
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DaveWoo posted:I do love that Tropers' conception of literature essentially boils down to "sci-fi", "fantasy", and "everything else". It's not really a troper thing. The publishing world at large uses the same classification, with a few added wrinkles.
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Jan 23, 2014 18:01
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Oxxidation posted:It's not really a troper thing. The publishing world at large uses the same classification, with a few added wrinkles. They are, however, aware that it's a marketing convenience, not a law of nature.
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Jan 23, 2014 18:31
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Oxxidation posted:It's not really a troper thing. The publishing world at large uses the same classification, with a few added wrinkles. Mystery, Romance, Western, Horror, Suspense, I could go on. Genre fiction is more than just nerd stuff.
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Jan 23, 2014 21:20
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Jan 23, 2014 22:29
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Strom Cuzewon posted:What in the gently caress did I just listen to? Clips of one of WoW's worst bits of boss voice-acting put to a techno beat?  For content, I found... This in their discussion page of Pokemon X&Y: For gently caress's sake posted:Wow, I think they also removed some of the getting crap past the radar moments. Like the "My Emolga wants to shock your Dedenne" line. I tried going back, reloading, flying out, but no matter how much I walked past the lovers they will always use the "My Emolga wants to be with your Dedenne forever" line. I'll try again.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:40
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Inspector Zenigata posted:That person said the publishing world, not the book-reading world. I'm not sure if they were correct or incorrect, but that's different than what you're talking about. The publishing world (in the US at least) refers to all that stuff as "genre fiction," except for romance. Romance is so massive that it's its own category.
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Jan 23, 2014 23:20
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Quote, edit, etc.
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Jan 23, 2014 23:26
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:Am I the only one confused if that Troper is annoyed by the lack of lengthy description or by the many line breaks? The way I read it that tropers seems to be annoyed by the former. Really both, but more the latter, from how I'm reading it. If you actually look at the way a lot of fanfic is set out, most of it will be one or two lines, double line break, a line of dialogue, double line break, another line, and so on. It's set out how you'd expect a chatlog to be written, with someone hitting Return after every line. The troper there's complaining that the writer doesn't actually know how to format a story worth a drat, with the result that it's bloated due to line breaks, rather than content.
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Jan 23, 2014 23:27
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Strom Cuzewon posted:What in the gently caress did I just listen to? There was a boss in World of Warcraft. She was very hard and had very bad voice acting, including a line when she uses a certain move about your magic 'betraying you', with a very clear voice-cracking in the middle of 'betray'. Since she was hard, you would often die and get to hear the bad voice acting over and over. Someone took it and set it to music.
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Jan 24, 2014 04:22
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Hey, guys! Let's check out the WMG page for 1984, because CLEARLY what the most famous dystopian novel of all time needs is a bunch of lonely pedophile dweebs feverishly dreaming up insane theories about it!1984 is a sequel to Jack London's The Iron Heel, and the rebels of that book eventually won and became the Party posted:London's rebel Socialists and Orwell's Party both call each other "comrade," hate capitalists, are masters of disguise and undercover work, are adept at brainwashing (as seen by the incident in The Iron Heel involving young Wilkins), value abstaining from all sexual relationships so as not to distract one from his or her devotion to the cause (the Red Virgin Anna Royalston and male rebels who refuse to marry are honored and praised just like the Comrade Ogilvy Winston invents), and encourage family members to turn against each other in support of the cause (one of London's rebels is excommunicated for protecting his traitor son, and Party children are turned into spies against their parents). "The Brotherhood of Man" that (eventually) defeated the Iron Heel is either the Party, or the hegemony that succeeded the Party.  "There are a lot of similarities between two different groups in two different groups, CLEARLY they're the same canon!"Room 101 contains a boggart posted:It's your worst fear, after all? So if Winston had been a wizard, and he'd had access to his wand, then all he'd have to do would be to say "Riddikulus" and the rats would turn into Alvin and the Chipmunks or something. Oh, do not forget the inevitable Doctor Who theory The Doctor will come in his TARDIS and save the day posted:1. It seems that in order for anything to change would take outside interference. 2. I really really want it to be true! because of course ALIENS.jpg The Party WILL fall. Via Aliens posted:Now, it's quite a stretch, but this is how I think it'll all go down: Inevitable incest theories are go The prostitute Winston sleeps with is his mom posted:Think about it. She's about the age his mother would have been, and it's never directly said what happened to her. Maybe at some point, rather than join the Party, she became a prole. Julia is Winston's sister posted:Winston isn't sure of his exact age, right? And they both have dark hair... East Asia is ruled by Anonymous posted:The name of their ideology is translated as "Obliteration of the Self", right? Now if you wanna be generous you can say that, oh, 1/2 (or so) of these were joke theories, but a) that assumes tropers know anything about humor, and b) that still leaves another 1/2 which is completely serious.
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Jan 25, 2014 07:48
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It's sad that instead of discussing what 1984 says about surveillance and loss of privacy, the erosion of democracy, propaganda, or any other relevant questions it raises, tropers spew this boring, harebrained bullshit about aliens and incest. It wouldn't be so bad if they were 13 and trying to amuse themselves while reading a book for school, but I bet most of them are old enough to know better. How can someone who has even a modicum of interest in literature miss the point this much? Even in middle school, our English teachers drilled into our heads that we weren't supposed to just write plot summaries and character descriptions, but say something about it. When it isn't being creepy, TV Tropes is as dull as a bunch of confusingly-organized book reports.
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Jan 25, 2014 08:31
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quote:It's your worst fear, after all? So if Winston had been a wizard, and he'd had access to his wand, then all he'd have to do would be to say "Riddikulus" and the rats would turn into Alvin and the Chipmunks or something. I think I've figured it out. Somewhere in the world there IS a wizard troper who got placed into Room 101. They got shown their absolute worst fear, which in their case was, of course, intelligent reading of good books. So they pulled out their wand and shouted, 'Riddikkulus!', the fearsome sight turned into something so utterly silly that it could never be taken seriously again... ... and thus was created TVTropes.org.
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Jan 25, 2014 10:34
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Gen. Ripper posted:
Well, it's definitely not because both novels are heavily influenced and inspired by real life events and groups, people in 1984 using the Russian word for friend/ally MUST have been because of it's use in an earlier novel that was written during an early anti-establishment revolution in Russia, not because later groups of communists and totalitarian pseudo-communists also used that word. Also all the other things mentioned are stuff that real hardcore leftist groups and revolutionaries have done as a matter of course.
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Jan 25, 2014 12:01
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I don't understand how Tropers fail at understanding 1984 so badly. Its not a subtle book, it explicitly states everything its trying to say. Of the bits of the WMG page that aren't stupid crossover garbage, half is people bringing up stuff that is explicitly stated in the book like its some great insight ("It might not actually be 1984 guize! The party might be the one firing the rockets! Big Brother might not exist!"). The other half is people sperging about things that aren't explicitly brought up in the book but don't matter (It doesn't actually matter whether or not the three Superstates are real and who is actually allied with who, the whole point is that nobody knows because history and memory are at the whim of the Party). I don't know why I continue to be surprised by Tropers missing the point of books so badly, but I am.
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Jan 25, 2014 13:14
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Dragon Commander is a game about the politics of running a wartime fantasy empire andquote:Anything That Moves: Scarlett, much to Henry's delight, Catherine's bemusement and Edmund's disgust. allows you to make policy decisions that affect the turn based and real time strategy phases quote:Buxom Is Better: All four of the princesses have notably massive chests — even the lizard and undead princesses. and while the gameplay is lacking there's some really impressive work done on creating this natural flow of character interaction quote:Fetish: If you choose the undead princess, the newspapers will report some people think it's because you have a skeleton fetish. to the point that you almost want to speed through the game just to see more of the amusingly caricatured characters quote:If It's You, It's Okay: Scarlett doesn't normally express interest in men, but she does flirt with the Commander quite a bit, cracking puns about riding him like a horse and offering him a "kiss that'll blow [his] jetpack off".
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Jan 25, 2014 17:24
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Gen. Ripper posted:how can sex for pleasure be a threat to the power hunger of the Party? This is explicitly spelled out in 1984. Like, not implied or something that the reader has to infer. Here is what O'Brien says to Winston. quote:We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. How the gently caress can you miss the point?
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Jan 25, 2014 20:31
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Swan Oat posted:How the gently caress can you miss the point? Says it all, really.
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Jan 25, 2014 20:34
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Runcible Cat posted:By being a Troper.
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Jan 25, 2014 21:07
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The Leper Colon V posted:You wanna talk about missing the forest for the trees, Tropers miss the forest because they're too busy categorizing how much each individual leaf looks like a loli waifu. Tropes associated with Birch Coniferous: Subverted. Birch is deciduous.
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Jan 25, 2014 21:11
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Gen. Ripper posted:Hey, guys! Let's check out the WMG page for 1984, because CLEARLY what the most famous dystopian novel of all time needs is a bunch of lonely pedophile dweebs feverishly dreaming up insane theories about it! I think the most damning thing about this isn't that Tropers are too focused on small details to think about the obvious themes of the novel, but that they treat the idea of a story with an unhappy ending as some kind of alien concept. "Big Brother isn't unstoppable! I bet The Doctor or aliens or Superman will come and beat up the bad guys, like in my fantasy novels!"
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Jan 25, 2014 22:50
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HorseRenoir posted:I think the most damning thing about this isn't that Tropers are too focused on small details to think about the obvious themes of the novel, but that they treat the idea of a story with an unhappy ending as some kind of alien concept. To be fair, people incapable of understanding the concept of things turning out poorly in the end are fascinating. As fictional characters. Especially when things turn out poorly for them in the end.
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Jan 25, 2014 23:39
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While we're at it, let's check out the general trope page for 1984, because I really want you to hate tropers right now.quote:The Bad Guy Wins: The whole point of this book is that moral and/or ethical standards are irrelevant to Realpolitik, and thus the good guys never will remake the world in their image. Ever. quote:Big Brother Is Employing You: Winston works for the Party. quote:Crapsack World: Living in the world of 1984 is a Fate Worse than Death even worse than living in a Cosmic Horror Story. At least in a Cosmic Horror Story you lived just like a Prole with privacy and freedom because the gods don't care about your thought-crimes (unless, of course, your curious mind actively seek them out with punishments galore). quote:Disproportionate Retribution: The hell Winston Smith is put through is astonishing, considering that his rebellious acts — keeping a diary, having an affair and enjoying it — are so trivial and furtive that he would pose no threat to the Party at all if he were only left alone. Very likely he would not agitate, or publish samizdat tracts, or even whisper thoughtcrime to his acquaintances. He would just go on and on, writing lies for the Ministry of Truth and meeting up with Julia and wondering wistfully if there is a Brotherhood, until his natural death. But for the Party, mere obedience is not enough. quote:False Flag Operation: It is heavily implied that Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia are basically ruled by the same ideology, and are bombing each other/themselves to create a Pretext for War and totalitarianism, and that the Party is using the Brotherhood to bait dissidents for capture. quote:Not So Different: The rival countries. Oceania may be bad, but the implication is that the two other superstates, Eurasia and Eastasia, are almost exactly identical to it. The three states are always at war with each other, with nobody ever winning. If you live in one of the areas the three states are always fighting over, you are a slave in both body and mind to whoever has power over the area at the current time. quote:Secret Police: The Thought Police.
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Jan 26, 2014 00:05
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I recall TvTropes having a page about a novel where a teenage babysitter gets captured by the sadistic kids she's supposed to watch for a week, and is then kept tied up and repeatedly raped in various bondage poses. The book apparently ends with her dying of suffocation, and the kids dump her body and get off free. So, this is already perfect fuel for the average troper. But they also felt the need to recommend a fanfic where the girl escapes and the boys get their comeuppance. I'm trying to recall the name of the page, but it was rather skeevy from what I remember. EDIT. I remembered. Oh god, why did I remember? Let's Go Play at the Adams Let's Go Play at the Adams posted:"A novel of lingering horror." quote:Bound and Gagged - Galore. From beginning to end. Many, many different ways. quote:Died Standing Up - Perhaps the only time this trope has had no connection to Badassery. Barbara, due to how she is tied at the end. quote:Fatal Flaw: Barbara manages to get the upperhand and fight off her captors and nearly forces them to free her...all while still bound and gagged, but relents at the last second because she can't bear to hurt Cindy any more than she already is quote:Rape as Drama Later, the page talks about a "Fix Fic" (Trope Speak for a fanfic that they think improves on the original or deals with things they didn't like) called Game's End. Basically, this was an unofficial sequel where the girl is saved at the end, and the boys get punished. Of course, it also includes rape, because reasons. quote:Humiliation Conga - John; this culminates in Prison Rape and later suicide. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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Pointing out that Tropeers catastrophically miss the point of 1984 is almost cheating, since almost everyone does that.
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