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You Am I posted:So VW doesn't sell the Tiguan or Amarok in the US? Tiguan yes, Amarok no.
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The front end just looks miserable.
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Jan 24, 2014 05:18
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Xguard86 posted:that lincoln looks like it should have been released last generation.
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Jan 24, 2014 05:56
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Tiguan yes, Amarok no. ...Key information missing: The Tiguan is way overpriced. Move it downmarket and it might have a chance, but as it is it's a lot of money for not a lot of car. IMO the Golf has the same issue, it's weird for a compact to start barely under $20K and top 30K with a lot of options when just about everything else starts in the $16-17K range and tops out in the mid-20s or so.
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Jan 24, 2014 08:11
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The Golf is a noticeably nicer car than cars in the range you mention, though. You can get a Fusion in similar trim but it's going also getting up to $30k. Nothing else options up comparably; there's a reason the hot hatch thread is Fusion Fusion TDI Fiesta GTI. You have a point that the base Golf is dumb but buying any base-model German car is a bad proposition. Why are the Tiguan and Tuareg uncompetitive? They're weird sizes and the Audi upgrade isn't much, but that's true of most of the VW line.
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Jan 24, 2014 08:29
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Never really considered the Fusion to be a hot hatch though
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Jan 24, 2014 08:37
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13 INCH DICK posted:Never really considered the Fusion to be a hot hatch though ...Compared to my Suburban, at least. 
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Jan 24, 2014 09:05
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Snowdens Secret posted:Why are the Tiguan and Tuareg uncompetitive? They're weird sizes and the Audi upgrade isn't much, but that's true of most of the VW line. Compared to the segment best seller Honda CRV, the Tiguan is significantly smaller, gets much worse fuel economy, requires premium, and is similarly priced, which isn't actually that much more but then why would you get one? I guess you do get a 12 year/unlimited mileage corrosion warranty thanks to the fully galvanized body (standard on all VW/Audi/Porche/Bentley). Even here in China where 1 in 3 cars on the road is a VAG Tiguans aren't very common. The Touareg is basically a German Grand Cherokee. Who the hell wants a German Grand Cherokee when the actual Grand Cherokee is superior in every way for $10k less? I guess you do get a 10(!) year powertrain warranty on the Touareg, although given its reliability history I don't think anyone would dare buy one without it. What they actually need (and supposedly one is almost ready to go) is some kind of FWD car based crossover like the Highlander or Pathfinder.
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Jan 24, 2014 10:13
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Friar Zucchini posted:It sure as hell is. How are you considering a mid-size sedan a hatchback? Throatwarbler posted:Compared to the segment best seller Honda CRV, the Tiguan is significantly smaller, gets much worse fuel economy, requires premium, and is similarly priced, which isn't actually that much more but then why would you get one? I guess you do get a 12 year/unlimited mileage corrosion warranty thanks to the fully galvanized body (standard on all VW/Audi/Porche/Bentley). Even here in China where 1 in 3 cars on the road is a VAG Tiguans aren't very common. I've always thought of the Tiguan as basically a larger SUV Golf. I think the lack of the TDI option is what really hurts the Tiguan. The people who don't need the extra space or want a smaller commuter will go for the Golf, the people who want more space would go to the JSW or outside of VW. I'm not sure what the percentages are now, but about a year and half ago it was reported that around 80% of all JSW sales were TDI. I'm sure part of the issue is around emissions and having to use urea to get a Tiguan to pass & around cost, because it's pretty expensive already.
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Jan 24, 2014 15:53
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I was more surprised to read that they were actually still selling the Navigator than anything else.
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Jan 24, 2014 17:09
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Throatwarbler posted:Well the GW is just going to be a Jeep Durango no? This seems a bit backward to me. If any brand should have the unibody SUV stuff, especially if you're foregoing any off-road pretensions, it should be Chrysler. People buying Durangos aren't rock crawling with them. Why bother making a highway cruiser SUV body-on-frame when the ride will suffer, and it's probably cheaper and more comfortable to drive as a unibody? Granted, the upper-market Jeeps (like Grand Cherokee and possibly Grand Wagoneer if they made one) aren't likely to see any offroad use either, but if you're going to make a body-on-frame SUV that is actually offroad capable, it makes more sense to do it under the Jeep banner than any other.
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Jan 24, 2014 17:48
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The Midniter posted:This seems a bit backward to me. If any brand should have the unibody SUV stuff, especially if you're foregoing any off-road pretensions, it should be Chrysler. People buying Durangos aren't rock crawling with them. Why bother making a highway cruiser SUV body-on-frame when the ride will suffer, and it's probably cheaper and more comfortable to drive as a unibody? Granted, the upper-market Jeeps (like Grand Cherokee and possibly Grand Wagoneer if they made one) aren't likely to see any offroad use either, but if you're going to make a body-on-frame SUV that is actually offroad capable, it makes more sense to do it under the Jeep banner than any other. The main reason most people buy full size BOF SUVs is towing and payload capacity, that's why they want the truck frame and underpinnings. It's basically for people who have boats and jetskis and Miata racecars but no reason to have a truck bed. Basing it on the truck frame also saves a huge amount of production and development costs so they can go out the door for much less money than say a Range Rover or Land Cruiser. Giving a Ram based SUV to Dodge and Chrysler is exactly what GM is doing with Chevy/GMC/Cadillac and making tons of money on. The Grand Cherokee/Wagoneer is an inconic brand that has always been unibody and the whole point is a unibody vehicle that is comfortable on road while also capable off road, like a Range Rover. That's why it should remain what it is now. In any case there are Maserati and probabl Alfa variants of it coming down the pipe. Jeep already has a BOF off-roader with the Wrangler. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Jan 24, 2014 |
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Jan 24, 2014 18:04
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Throatwarbler posted:The Grand Cherokee/Wagoneer is an inconic brand that has always been unibody and the whole point is a unibody vehicle that is comfortable on road while also capable off road, like a Range Rover.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:26
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I believe Jeep refers to it as "Uniframe".
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Jan 24, 2014 18:31
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Bovril Delight posted:How are you considering a mid-size sedan a hatchback? confusing Fusion for Focus perhaps?
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Jan 24, 2014 18:42
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Friar Zucchini posted:...Key information missing: The Tiguan is way overpriced. Move it downmarket and it might have a chance, but as it is it's a lot of money for not a lot of car. IMO the Golf has the same issue, it's weird for a compact to start barely under $20K and top 30K with a lot of options when just about everything else starts in the $16-17K range and tops out in the mid-20s or so. Just curious: When you say the Golf runs from under $20k to over $30k, are you including the GTI and Golf R in that range, or just the "Golf" itself? Personally (and maybe this is wrong) but I consider the GTI and R to be related but significantly different enough to not be included. On the flip side, I haven't priced a Golf in a long time, but if you can indeed spec a Golf to over $30k and it's not a GTI, then that is just dumb and VW is dumb.
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Jan 25, 2014 07:19
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DropShadow posted:Just curious: When you say the Golf runs from under $20k to over $30k, are you including the GTI and Golf R in that range, or just the "Golf" itself? Personally (and maybe this is wrong) but I consider the GTI and R to be related but significantly different enough to not be included. Well, the Golf TDI is $27k to start. $23k for the Golf with Convenience and Sunroof, regular gas. I hit $25.5k with options on that, so a TDI with all the options hits just a hair under $30k, yeah. Just playing with the configurator, mind you.
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Jan 25, 2014 07:28
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Really? I just bought a Jetta TDI wagon for like $24k about a year ago; I thought the golf was similar or cheaper. Or has the price gone up a bunch recently?
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Jan 25, 2014 08:02
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DropShadow posted:Just curious: When you say the Golf runs from under $20k to over $30k, are you including the GTI and Golf R in that range, or just the "Golf" itself? Personally (and maybe this is wrong) but I consider the GTI and R to be related but significantly different enough to not be included. Bovril Delight posted:How are you considering a mid-size sedan a hatchback?
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Jan 25, 2014 08:40
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I consider the Ford Fusion to be an airplane, compared to my bicycle of course.
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Jan 25, 2014 13:08
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AdmiralViscen posted:I consider the Ford Fusion to be an airplane, compared to my bicycle of course. Exactly. Comparing it to your suburban doesn't change what it is, which isn't a hatchback.
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Jan 25, 2014 14:16
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Steve French posted:Really? I just bought a Jetta TDI wagon for like $24k about a year ago; I thought the golf was similar or cheaper. Or has the price gone up a bunch recently? If you are in the States than the Jetta wagon you bought is actually a Golf wagon. VW name fuckery.
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Jan 25, 2014 17:36
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BabyMauler posted:If you are in the States than the Jetta wagon you bought is actually a Golf wagon. VW name fuckery. Yes, I'm fully aware, it doesn't change the point of the question which is that 27k seems high for the base price for a Golf TDI. Just pretend I had said Golf wagon instead of Jetta wagon and Golf hatch instead of Golf. Steve French fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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Jan 25, 2014 17:46
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Someone just sent me this but apparently the corvette has a built-in dashcam and telemetry software option. http://blog.caranddriver.com/corvet...ceway-2014-ces/   
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Jan 25, 2014 19:18
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Cream_Filling posted:Someone just sent me this but apparently the corvette has a built-in dashcam and telemetry software option. Seems like they lost a real opportunity to put a timer at the top of the screen instead of speed and then use track sectors as checkpoints.
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Jan 25, 2014 21:27
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Powershift posted:Even worse, GM made commercials making GBS threads on useful features like dodge's heated steering wheel and ford's box steps. Now the 2014 GMCs have a box step in the bumper, and a heated steering wheel as an option. It's loving happening. There was a GMC commercial during the kings/ducks game "To build strength and durability into the bed of the new GMC sierra, GMC engineers demanded rolled formed steel, for the same reason rolled steel is used in the hull of submarines, big ones" *giant submarine pops out of the ice* I hate their "progress is a bad thing, unless it's us doing it" attitude.
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Jan 26, 2014 05:22
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Huh. It's real. http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7ba5/gmc-sierra-submarine-hulls
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Jan 26, 2014 06:22
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"Big ones.  " I'm sure they could've worked how buying this truck was like having a really big black cylinder a little more overtly, but I'm not sure how. Any sign GMC is going to take this to the logical conclusion and build their truck beds out of titanium?
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Jan 26, 2014 09:36
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Powershift posted:I hate their "progress is a bad thing, unless it's us doing it" attitude. I'm sure they realize ford is kicking their rear end but you can't really go to market with "second best!" Plus I'm sure their target customers have more than a little anxiety about progress and change.
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Jan 26, 2014 18:16
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There was also a chevy truck commercial during last week's Patriots Broncos game that boiled down to don't be a loser vegan, you need this truck and to BBQ. It really told nothing about the truck. Before seeing that I thought you guys were exaggerating, but holy poo poo these commercials are real and horrible.
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Jan 26, 2014 19:32
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Snowdens Secret posted:"Big ones. We named it Sierra for a reason. 
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Jan 26, 2014 19:46
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Most of these quad cab/super crew trucks are family vehicles here in Texas. I want to see a truck commercial where they point out how comfortable the interior is and how baby seats fit in the back really well. I'd say 1 in 5 trucks here are actually used for actual truck poo poo.
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Jan 26, 2014 20:08
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skipdogg posted:Most of these quad cab/super crew trucks are family vehicles here in Texas. I want to see a truck commercial where they point out how comfortable the interior is and how baby seats fit in the back really well. I'd say 1 in 5 trucks here are actually used for actual truck poo poo. The F150 SuperCrew has an absolutely unfathomable amount of cab room. Leg room measured in acres.
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Jan 26, 2014 20:11
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skipdogg posted:Most of these quad cab/super crew trucks are family vehicles here in Texas. I want to see a truck commercial where they point out how comfortable the interior is and how baby seats fit in the back really well.
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Jan 26, 2014 22:26
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I love how you all are pretending to be naive to the ways in which things are advertized.
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Jan 26, 2014 23:23
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N is for Nipples posted:The F150 SuperCrew has an absolutely unfathomable amount of cab room. Leg room measured in acres. I'd love a 2.7 ecoboost Ranger. 
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Jan 26, 2014 23:36
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As someone who's 6'9, gently caress you for saying any interior needs to be smaller.
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Jan 26, 2014 23:44
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Powershift posted:As someone who's 6'9, gently caress you for saying any interior needs to be smaller. Genetic anomalies don't get a vote. At least you'd fit fine in an F150.
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Jan 26, 2014 23:52
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Franco Caution posted:There was also a chevy truck commercial during last week's Patriots Broncos game that boiled down to don't be a loser vegan, you need this truck and to BBQ. Well duh, everyone knows that real 'Muricans eat meat and that's who they are marketing too. You're a Vegan? gently caress YOU drive a Prius, you don't deserve a truck 
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Shaq can fit in a smallish Buick or maybe the Buick was built around him or maybe he's actually sitting the rear seat?
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