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Fangz posted:Was there any popular military fiction in the pre-modern age? De Re Militari Basically fan-fiction of the Late Republic/Early Empire roman legions. Written by a roman noble who's pretty much  and  combined.
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Slavvy posted:
Fun BMP-1 fact: the two main doors at the aft end for the dismount infantry did double duty as doors, and fuel tanks! That way, if they get hit, and catch fire, everyone burns to death equally!
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MrYenko posted:Fun BMP-1 fact: the two main doors at the aft end for the dismount infantry did double duty as doors, and fuel tanks! "I know it sounds horrific, but if we have enough of them we can swamp NATO's defenses before too many of our men burn to death. It's a net gain!" "SOLD!" 
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Jan 26, 2014 02:21
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It encourages pointing it the right way and driving only towards the enemy 
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Slavvy posted:
It's actually not quite as easy as you would thing. Space really is at a premium in armored vehicles and if you want the gas-hungry engine to have any real range worth a drat (And by that we're talking 100-200 miles) you're going to carry a lot of fuel.
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Can anyone recommend a good single volume on Nelson's career?
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There was also an experiment to put gas tanks in the road wheels, but those turned out to be a terrible idea.
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uPen posted:Can anyone recommend a good single volume on Nelson's career? John Sugden's two part The Sword of Albion and A Dream of Glory is good (I know that's not exactly what you asked for but it seems to be the best work so far).
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Taerkar posted:It's actually not quite as easy as you would thing. Space really is at a premium in armored vehicles and if you want the gas-hungry engine to have any real range worth a drat (And by that we're talking 100-200 miles) you're going to carry a lot of fuel. The door tanks were intended to be filled with sand when combat happened but IFVs(much like anything with a decent troop compartment) were all really dangerous vehicles to be in when a hit happened. It turn out armoring open air for 10+ men and their equipment is really really heavy so it's just not possible to make a survivable IFV. The BMP-1 in particular was not actually loaded out very well, as both its anti-tank missile and its main-gun were anti-tank weapons primarily, and the main gun wasn't up to snuff for long after its introduction in terms of anti-armor performance. The anti-tank missile was easy to upgrade though and did receive upgrades over the years. The BMP-2 and 3 both had far superior antipersonnel armament(though they carried more flammable ammunition in their compartments, a problem the Bradley shared).
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Ensign Expendable posted:There was also an experiment to put gas tanks in the road wheels, but those turned out to be a terrible idea. Hmm can't see why.
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ArchangeI posted:So what you are saying is that it was pierside literature. Kinda. I mean, all that is sandwiched between pontificating on correct rulership and also relaying a kinda skewed version of the founding of the Persian Empire to an audience that probably hadn't heard it before.
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Ensign Expendable posted:There was also an experiment to put gas tanks in the road wheels, but those turned out to be a terrible idea. This is the funniest thing. I can't believe that progressed to the experiment stage. It should have failed during the "Drunken vodka induced bender" stage.
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Saint Celestine posted:This is the funniest thing. "Drunken vodka induced bender" has been the consistent ground state for all Russian military development since before the October revolution.
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Yup. As reference, see:
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Slavvy posted:Yup. As reference, see: What is the purpose of this thing? A plane that can only fly on water or a ship that goes fast but can't take a hit? Alchenar posted:John Sugden's two part The Sword of Albion and A Dream of Glory is good (I know that's not exactly what you asked for but it seems to be the best work so far). This looks perfect, just longer than I was hoping for. Oh well, it's not like I already have an enormous pile of books I need to read. 
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It's almost as fast as a plane, but can carry several hundred tonnes of cargo. It isn't intended for fleet warfare or anything, it's just an extremely fast heavy transport that can't be shot down.
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uPen posted:What is the purpose of this thing? A plane that can only fly on water or a ship that goes fast but can't take a hit? AFAIK that's an "ekranoplan", or ground-effect plane. It appeared once as a plot point in a James Bond where the Soviets were using it to smuggle illicit goods from Iran across the Caspian Sea
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I love that the first example that comes to mind of this tech being used is James Bond.
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In all seriousness the ground-effect craft that the Soviets constructed made good sense. For the Caspian and Black Seas (and to a lesser extent the Baltics) it allowed the Soviets to vastly improve their naval projection power. A single A-90 could carry 30,000kg worth of supplies at 400 km/h, and the Lun-class could do 500km/h with six Moskits on its back (for comparison, the Sovremenny-class carries 8, and at speed the Lun could sortie, launch, and re-sortie before the Sovremenny even steamed out of port). A planned Lun-class variant would also serve as a hospital, essentially enabling the Soviet fleet to zip over a full hospital as soon as operations commenced, take on a ridiculous number of wounded, ship them back to port in a well-equipped platform, all in record time. They also made an anti-submarine one, that would've had VTOL capability, and speed all over the place, but it had (unsurprisingly for such a craft with VTOL) problems with its batteries and engines. The "Caspian Monster" had a take-off weight of 550 tonnes and reportedly did over 700km/h in tests. Ekranoplans own  156m wingspan (the harrier in that picture is actually much too big) 
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a travelling HEGEL posted:Guess what It sounds like this wasn't ever confirmed by Bush or Chirac. In fact, all the article says is that some professor got a call asking about Gog and Magog and they make an enormous assumption that (a) It was coming from the French government and (b) The French were asking about because Bush said something. They don't provide proof for either assertion. Is there anything more substantial to this?
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^^^^ It's the Guardian. Just like the Daily Mail doesn't need proof when Liberals are stealing your right to be racist, the Guardian doesn't need proof when Fascists are being dumb. uPen posted:I love that the first example that comes to mind of this tech being used is James Bond.
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Noted blood gargling psychopath Rumsfeld apparently had some curious bible quotes put on reports that he presented to Bush. But the Gog and Magog thing sounds like bunk.
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uPen posted:I love that the first example that comes to mind of this tech being used is James Bond. I was thinking of World in Conflict, myself. Really, though, that looks like the sort of thing that belongs in Ace Combat. Surprised it hasn't shown there yet.
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Buck Danny #45 (1994): VVV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr8N0Z4Cl0U&t=2371s look at how it turns at slow speed. Koesj fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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If they landed on a beach, how were they supposed to get reversed back into the water? How do you maneuver something like that at low speed without a tugboat, in general?
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OctaviusBeaver posted:It sounds like this wasn't ever confirmed by Bush or Chirac. In fact, all the article says is that some professor got a call asking about Gog and Magog and they make an enormous assumption that (a) It was coming from the French government and (b) The French were asking about because Bush said something. They don't provide proof for either assertion. Is there anything more substantial to this? Raskolnikov38 posted:Noted blood gargling psychopath Rumsfeld apparently had some curious bible quotes put on reports that he presented to Bush. But the Gog and Magog thing sounds like bunk.
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Slavvy posted:If they landed on a beach, how were they supposed to get reversed back into the water? How do you maneuver something like that at low speed without a tugboat, in general? Thrust reversers?
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a travelling HEGEL posted:In the original source, the professor says Chirac was the one who phoned him because Bush had, in turn, phoned him. That professor could be lying or mistaken, but he's the source and the Guardian does link to the thing I'm linking here. Oh okay that one is better. The guardian article made it seem like the guy deduced while on the phone that Chirac was asking instead of being told that the office of the president was asking by the head of the french protestant church.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh okay that one is better. The guardian article made it seem like the guy deduced while on the phone that Chirac was asking instead of being told that the office of the president was asking by the head of the french protestant church. Well he could be full of poo poo building off a historical story...ala "Maggie's going to nuke Argentina if we don't give her the Exocet codes" via Mitterrand's shrink. Speaking of huge Falklands is there any evidence besides the Daily Mail that the Israelis were supplying the Argentineans with weapons because of Begins massive hard on for killing English people and soliders?
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I wonder what the plan for preventing FOD to the engines. It just seems like an invitation to end up sucking in tones of small rocks.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh okay that one is better. The guardian article made it seem like the guy deduced while on the phone that Chirac was asking instead of being told that the office of the president was asking by the head of the french protestant church.
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I'm sorta late to diesel fires chat but this here video has a bunch of examples of such things (remember to enable English captions if you don't understand spoken Swedish): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiWCpIJ5dBw
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Given the number of libel trials the Guardian has fought and won, I don't think they made it up or didn't do their due diligence. Comparing them to the Daily Mail is rather... eh....
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Fangz posted:Given the number of libel trials the Guardian has fought and won, I don't think they made it up or didn't do their due diligence. Comparing them to the Daily Mail is rather... eh....
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Arquinsiel posted:Neither of them is capable of presenting an article without significant spin, Are you yourself in this case presenting a post without significant spin? VVV RIP your iron lady Koesj fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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Koesj posted:Are you yourself in this case presenting a post without significant spin?  RIP indeed. I am really proud of getting this avatar for annoying a 40k nerd enough about the roots of the setting. Apparently saying that taking the piss out of Thatcher's Britain was the original inspiration for The Imperium of Man is really really offensive. Arquinsiel fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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Fangz posted:Given the number of libel trials the Guardian has fought and won, I don't think they made it up or didn't do their due diligence. Comparing them to the Daily Mail is rather... eh.... Honestly if they lost its not something hard to argue against, England has some of the most retarded libel laws short of Australia...and Singapore.
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Arquinsiel posted:RIP indeed. I am really proud of getting this avatar for annoying a 40k nerd enough about the roots of the setting. Apparently saying that taking the piss out of Thatcher's Britain was the original inspiration for The Imperium of Man is really really offensive.
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Reminder that Rupert Murdoch's empire literally won a supreme court case saying that they can legally lie.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Reminder that Rupert Murdoch's empire literally won a supreme court case saying that they can legally lie. Actually that has been legal precedent from the Samuel L Bronkowist (sp) case. a travelling HEGEL posted:That and a satire on fascism/toxic masculinity/toxic fascist masculinity, which means it's really great that those are things the fanbase is into. But honestly who gives a crap about what the politics of some British neck beards in the 1980s were anyway? Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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